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Is the Death Penalty Necessary?

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California is putting another controversial measure on its ballot this year -- and you can expect to hear a lot more about it as it progresses. Activists collected 500,000 signatures to repeal the death penalty, a measure which would take 723 inmates off of death row and replace their sentence with life in prison. The death penalty is already off the table in 16 other states, and will soon be repealed in Connecticut.

The measure is significant in California because the state holds an enormous percentage of the nation's death row inmates (nearly a quarter, according to Yahoo! News). However, the state has only executed 13 people since 1976, compared to 481 executions in Texas. Activists argue that, regardless of moral issues, the state is spending billions of dollars on a system that rarely goes through with executions. Do you think the death penalty is necessary?

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  • RoseyRhod 2012/04/24 20:37:26
    No
    RoseyRhod
    +24
    I oppose the death penalty not because I feel that someone who acually committed a terrible crime deserves any mercy, but because there are cases in which I think people who were not actually guilty were put to death. Better that we should jail the scum for life than inadvertently put to death one innocent person. However, I don't believe that prisons should be as cushy as they currently are. Inmates should not be allowed to watch television or have porno magazines. They should have access to a library. They should also have to work, and they should be carefully watched at all times. I may disagree with Joe Arpaio on profiling, but I fully agree with him that inmates should not be coddled. If you do the crime, the time served should not be easy.

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  • Rundy bpf 2012/04/27 03:20:22
    Rundy
    What's a secure prsions ?
  • JAA bpf 2012/05/09 01:59:16 (edited)
    JAA
    As a "right-wing" Christian, I am anti-abortion, but pro-choice. I am also FOR the death penalty for murderers, rapists, & child molesters. Abortions are not murders; however, in most instances, they are unnecessary & a waste of resources.

    So, the difference between killing a fetus & an adult murderer is this: The fetus does not possess a soul, even though it did nothing wrong, so killing it is not "murder"; however, killing a person, even though that person has a soul, who has taken another human being's life with premeditation & evil forethought & motive, deserves to die. No ands, ifs or buts.
  • cynsity 2012/04/27 01:42:43
    Yes
    cynsity
    +5
    and it should be inforced with all do speed... death penalty should not mean you sit in jail til you die... it should men your life is significantly shortend.
  • D_Kwest 2012/04/27 01:08:53
    Yes
    D_Kwest
    +4
    They created their own mess with countless psyche evals, studying one's terrible childhood, drug abuse arguments and appeals.

    So, commuting murderers, rapists and cho-mos sentences to life will some how save them money, they claim.

    2 live rounds, and one blank from a trio of 30.06 rifles will do the job for about 10 bucks.
    (blindfold and accessories sold separately)
  • JAA D_Kwest 2012/05/09 02:07:48
    JAA
    I agree that the criminally insane no longer belong on this earth.
  • Jackie 2012/04/27 01:04:47
    Yes
    Jackie
    +6
    It is terribly under utilized.
  • ThinkAboutIt! 2012/04/27 00:49:12
    Yes
    ThinkAboutIt!
    +3
    It should be witnessed by the public on prime time TV. Required viewing for all students in the public school system starting at the age of thirteen.
  • Greg 2012/04/27 00:09:29
    Yes
    Greg
    +5
    Iv never seen a dead man repeat his crime.
  • WilliamMeagher 2012/04/26 22:49:22
    Yes
    WilliamMeagher
    +2
    rarely but yes
  • Vision of Verve 2012/04/26 22:39:01
  • jere.chievres 2012/04/26 22:02:25
    Yes
    jere.chievres
    +4
    Murderers,Rapists and most of all TRAITORS need it.
  • TheR 2012/04/26 21:57:42
    No
    TheR
    Looks like the place where Marathon runners end up these days.
  • Aingean 2012/04/26 21:45:43
    Yes
    Aingean
    +4
    As it stands, it isn't doing anyone any good. More people die waiting on death row then actually being put to death. However if it was used like it was meant to be then it may actually slow crime down some. Life in prison isn't a punishment. It is free food, a free bed, free clothing, no bills, no responsibility other then little things they may have you do like wash dishes.
  • John Freeman 2012/04/26 21:11:46 (edited)
    No
    John Freeman
    +4
    No, but its a good way to quickly get rid of anyone thats been LABELLED a "terrorist" or criminal(even when its not on purpose), isnt it?

    hangman
  • Nina John Fr... 2012/04/27 01:51:34
    Nina
    +1
    You bet, and for all those who agree with it, this is where they will end up. Nothing like signing your own death warrent!!!
  • John Fr... Nina 2012/04/27 03:12:01
    John Freeman
    +2
    Lmao, true, sad, and ironically hilarious at the same time.

    Meh, but I shouldnt get a kick out of this stuff. Our society is sadistic enough as it is(just this poll is proof) and its high time people take a step back from the b.s and re-examine the world. WIth hope, that'll happen sooner than later. :P
  • Cotton e John Fr... 2012/04/27 13:31:43
    Cotton e
    +1
    that's the point!
  • Cotton e John Fr... 2012/04/27 13:30:50
    Cotton e
    How do you feel about child rapists or those who sell children for sex and I am talking about people who knowing and without reservation have sex with children as young as babies and toddlers? Do you think they should be allowed to just roam the streets looking for more kids? where do you draw the line? Would you consider that person a criminal or someone just labeled them?
  • John Fr... Cotton e 2012/04/27 19:35:52
    John Freeman
    OF COURSE that person's a criminal,(and a sick mo-fo too) and no I dont think they should just "roam free" but let me ask you this, does killing him help any of those children? Sometimes ppl like to use justice as a disguise for getting revenge through killing someone, which I can understand at times, but its time ppl stop succumbing to fear/hatred.

    Anyways I was referring to those who were just labelled one, not because they did anything wrong, but because someone decided it would "close the case" faster. Or,(and this stuff is happening) because of some idiotic rule like the "Patriot" Act, that person is a "terrorist" for supporting muslims, or asking critical questions, etc. It'll only get worse too unless people take a step back and see the b.s for what it is.
  • jkistner1 2012/04/26 20:51:18
    Yes
    jkistner1
    +4
    I chose no.
  • William... jkistner1 2012/04/26 22:49:56
    WilliamMeagher
    :facepalm
  • DP 2012/04/26 19:49:27
    No
    DP
    +2
    Death is the easy way out and by giving them a painless lethal injection or hanging them (which usually is fast if your break their neck), you are letting them take the easy way out. Americans always claim that they are stereotyped as greedy people, but they are. Everyone doesn't want to pay for the inmates costs and are willing to let them almost get away with it. Let them rot in jail until they die or if you are going to kill them, make it painful.
  • k fleming DP 2012/04/26 20:50:03
    k fleming
    +5
    Ok, you pay for them then. We'll make a deal with uncle sam, you take up the portion of my tab that goes to paying to keep them alive.
    You are also forgetting about deterrent, maybe the gang rapers and murders will think twice if their own lives will be on the line if they get caught.
    I think the major problem why the death penalty isn't as effective as it could be is because they are no longer public, but behind closed doors where they are 'out of sight, out of mind."
  • DP k fleming 2012/04/26 21:12:22
    DP
    +2
    Death penalty is mercy which is what most of the offenders don't deserve. You must have not read the entire post I wrote because I said that if there is going to be the death penalty, it needs to be painful. I want some public lashings until there is no skin on the offender's back. What makes a child rapist deserve a painless death. Death is better than living your life out in prison where you can get raped yourself as you did to your victims.
  • Sadisticon DP 2012/05/01 20:10:49
    Sadisticon
    +1
    I like corporal punishment - but not capital punishment. It is odd, I know but I think hurting a person, whipping, strapping, zapping, humiliating and all that go with it - are far more fitting than killing someone. I also like that whole "medical experiments" thing (which has unpleasant 3me Reich associations but -hey- what are ya gonna do?). People who like the Penalty of Death tend to sound extreme, unhinged and ignore a lot of realities and possibilities that rational people everywhere have always said. There is the very real potential for an error. And that's the kind of error we don't come back from.
  • Angus k fleming 2012/04/27 10:42:49
    Angus
    Let's make it a pay per view event to raise additional money for the tax payer. Now here is an idea ;-)
  • Sadisticon Angus 2012/05/01 20:07:06
    Sadisticon
    For some reason, you seem to think that's brilliant.
  • Angus Sadisticon 2012/05/01 20:37:07
    Angus
    Do a poll on SH and you'll be surprised how many would want to watch.
  • Grammar... k fleming 2012/04/29 14:19:46
    Grammar Freak
    The main problem I see with capital punishment is the cost of the trial(s). The expense is overwhelming.
    It isn't the cost of the injection or the bullet or the current that is used to euthanize the criminal in comparison to keeping him/her alive, it's the cost of the court process.
  • Sadisticon Grammar... 2012/05/01 20:12:47
    Sadisticon
    But there's no problem with making a mistake, right? Because the criminal justice system is flawless.
  • Grammar... Sadisticon 2012/05/02 00:39:31
    Grammar Freak
    +1
    Oh no, I wouldn't say that at all.
    That is one of the main reasons for the length of the appeals process. If new evidence is found or new technology is developed that can prove innocence, then the defendant walks... as he/she should.
    The system is certainly not flawless. But it's the best we've got.
  • Sadisticon Grammar... 2012/05/08 12:11:14
    Sadisticon
    +1
    Then the cost is mitigated by the potential for truth.
  • Grammar... Sadisticon 2012/05/08 13:34:40 (edited)
    Grammar Freak
    I'm not sure what your point is in this post. If you mean that the high cost is worth the time & effort put into the process in case of a false-guilty verdict (thus an unwarranted death sentence), absolutely.
    There are simply some things that are expensive & one simply must endure the cost.

    I suppose it's a matter of priority. I believe the death penalty is a necessary part of our system, therefore, I believe the cost is worth it. If there were an effective way of reducing the costs without diminishing the value of the process, I would be all for it. I'm sure that there is waste somewhere, but I do not believe that time is a part of that.
    It's deeply unfortunate that we have many death row prisoners who sit waiting for long stretches. But I believe that if a truly innocent person is set free because of that time-gap, it was worth the wait & the cost. It is there to ensure the convicted is truly guilty.
    One cannot assume that everyone on death row is a liar, just like one cannot assume that everyone on death row is honest. There is no such thing as 100% of anything in any population, really, is there?

    As I said, there is no such thing as a perfect system & I do believe that there is always room for improvement. But, when allowed to work correctly, without corruption, I t...&&


    I'm not sure what your point is in this post. If you mean that the high cost is worth the time & effort put into the process in case of a false-guilty verdict (thus an unwarranted death sentence), absolutely.
    There are simply some things that are expensive & one simply must endure the cost.

    I suppose it's a matter of priority. I believe the death penalty is a necessary part of our system, therefore, I believe the cost is worth it. If there were an effective way of reducing the costs without diminishing the value of the process, I would be all for it. I'm sure that there is waste somewhere, but I do not believe that time is a part of that.
    It's deeply unfortunate that we have many death row prisoners who sit waiting for long stretches. But I believe that if a truly innocent person is set free because of that time-gap, it was worth the wait & the cost. It is there to ensure the convicted is truly guilty.
    One cannot assume that everyone on death row is a liar, just like one cannot assume that everyone on death row is honest. There is no such thing as 100% of anything in any population, really, is there?

    As I said, there is no such thing as a perfect system & I do believe that there is always room for improvement. But, when allowed to work correctly, without corruption, I think our system is pretty damned effective. I think corruption & the system of laws created by states themselves are more of a problem than anything (e.g. ridiculously strict non-violent drug laws, etc.). But, as with any system, it is open to corruption & certainly has its share.
    I'd love to see a complete inventory (as in any functioning business) of our entire system. Wouldn't THAT be expensive?? And how would it possibly be conducted without corruption as well? So would it even be worth it?
    There is no easy answer to such a complex question. I doubt we'll solve it here on Soda Head, but it certainly is positive to discuss it.
    We simply have to try like hell to elect the right people to effectively do the jobs they're hired for.
    (more)
  • jere.ch... DP 2012/04/26 22:04:24
    jere.chievres
    +3
    I go for painful, let the Apaches have them they can make it last for weeks!
  • KB 2012/04/26 19:38:24 (edited)
  • Aingean KB 2012/04/26 21:47:38
    Aingean
    +1
    What is your issue with Christians?
  • KB Aingean 2012/04/27 01:24:12
    KB
    +1
    I don't have a problem with Christians as I myself am one. I just don't like Christians who claim to uphold the sanctity of human life all while supporting the death penalty.
  • bpf KB 2012/04/27 02:41:21
    bpf
    +1
    Good to hear that I must also assume that you are against abortion too.
  • Centris... bpf 2012/04/27 03:48:35
    Centrist_Bill
    I am and agree KB. Im sure you have heard a little thing called Love one another as well as the Commandment Thou Shalt Not Kill. What part of EITHER dont you understand??
  • JAA Centris... 2012/05/02 23:23:03 (edited)
    JAA
    All Christians have heard about "love one another" & "Thou shalt not kill," but many of them don't know what they mean. Even if the soul is a part of the zygote, blastocyst, embryo & fetus (which it isn't), most Christians know that anyone under the age of accountability will go to heaven when they die, right?

    Many of the women who have abortions are NOT Christians, & therefore will NOT be going to heaven, right? Now, why do "Christians" care more about a fetus who the "Christian" believes will go to heaven no matter what, than the woman who had an abortion? WHY? WHY? WHY?

    I've heard the most foul-mouthed, self-righteous, nastiness come out of a "Christian's" mouth & keyboard, which most assuredly turns off ANY witness, or prevents any sharing of the Gospel they may have had with that woman or their partner. I've heard names like "murderer", "spawn of satan", and "hateful bitch". Women have been called "soulless", have been told they are "going to hell" for their actions, and that God would NEVER forgive them. All of which are LIES from cosmos diabolicus.

    So, my question to "Christians" is the same as yours: "Love one another" & "Thou shalt not kill" . . . ."WHAT PART OF EITHER DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?"

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