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Is the Confederate Flag Used As A Symbol Of Racism ?

Che Guevara - Hero 2012/02/22 20:52:58
YES, The Confederate Flag IS Used As A Symbol Of Racism
NO, The Confederate Flag IS NOT Used As A Symbol Of Racism
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Is the Confederate Flag Used As A Symbol Of Racism ?

Although the flag is seen by some Southerners simply as a symbol of Southern pride, it is often used by racists to represent white domination of African-Americans. The flag remains a subject of controversy because some Southern states still fly the flag from public buildings or incorporate it into their state flag’s design. The flag is also used by racists as an alternative to the American flag, which they consider to be an emblem of what they describe as the Jewish-controlled government.

General racist symbols are building blocks that compose the vocabulary of racist imagery, and are used interchangeably throughout the racist world. Members of racist organizations and gangs often use general symbols along with more specific images associated with their individual groups. "Lone wolves" (independent racist activists) can avoid association with a specific group (and perhaps prosecution of that group by law enforcement) by opting for these more universal racist symbols.

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  • RV ~ The Peacekeeper of PHAET 2012/02/22 21:23:16
    NO, The Confederate Flag IS NOT Used As A Symbol Of Racism
    RV ~ The Peacekeeper of PHAET
    +18
    Yes and no. It depends on the intension and the purpose.


    Most of the times it´s used for showing Southern pride.

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    But it can also be used as symbol for racism.

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    However, when someone wears it you shouldn´t automatically assume that he/she is racist, because it´s way more likely that the person is just proud to be a Southener. It´s like saying everyone who wears a German flag is nazi. It could mean being part of a neo nazi group, but usually it means just being proud of being German.

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  • Ray 2013/10/16 08:11:06
    NO, The Confederate Flag IS NOT Used As A Symbol Of Racism
    Ray
    So, if a black person is carrying this flag, is it racist? Are most of you from the north? Do you not know that it flies over the state capitols of some southern states, along with their state flag? It represents southern pride and independence, and many black people in the south also see it that way. I have pictures of black friends carrying one, ya'll.
  • Frank 2013/02/11 12:05:04
    YES, The Confederate Flag IS Used As A Symbol Of Racism
    Frank
    +1
    Any rational minded person will stop and ask themselves what the original origin of that flag is. Now it represented states rights of the south, taxes, and rights to own slaves was also an issue. Now you have to ask yourself what the heck does that have anything to do with the way we live in modern society. Half the ones flying the flag don't have ANY interest in it besides what the flag LATER began to represent as the endless black churches were burned, black people were hung, beaten, and terrorized while that flag was branished! That is the more recent history of that flag.
    Now not all people flying that flag are racists, but definately self indulgent. If they look at what the flag became to symbolize that should be enough to stray from it if you have no ill will for black folks.
    I can't imagine giving this flag as a gift to anyone black and the reason for that is that it is APPARENTLY offensive. Period.
  • Dorian Frank 2013/07/11 22:54:06
    Dorian
    +1
    Very well defind and said
  • Titus Ahern 2012/05/08 22:26:36
    YES, The Confederate Flag IS Used As A Symbol Of Racism
    Titus Ahern
    +1
    Of course the Confederate flag is a symbol of racism. It cannot be anything else, no matter what modern, southern regionalists might argue. The Confederacy was founded upon and sustained by slavery, the epitome of racist institutions. Confederate society could not survive without slavery and brought on the Civil War to maintain slavery. To virtually any observer in the world, therefore, the Confederate flag identifies the bearer with slavery and racism. This will be true even if the flag bearer chooses to ignore the inherent link to the Old, racist, slave-holding South. Today's Southerners who want to show regional pride might use a clearly modified flag to show their break from racist ideology while still retaining Southern elements to display their respect for their heritage. There are lots of ways this could be done. Let Southern sympathizers show the extraordinary ingenuity and toughness for which they are known and come up with a new, better, and inclusive symbol for their home and all the people they share it with.
  • xXmardo20Xx 2012/03/10 00:24:55
    YES, The Confederate Flag IS Used As A Symbol Of Racism
    xXmardo20Xx
    +1
    yes and no....it depends it could mean heritage sometimes pride or racism.
  • aneed2know 2012/03/06 09:57:12
    YES, The Confederate Flag IS Used As A Symbol Of Racism
    aneed2know
    +1
    Just yes i cant believe we are even asking this.
  • Spizzzo BN-0 2012/03/05 13:56:40
    YES, The Confederate Flag IS Used As A Symbol Of Racism
    Spizzzo BN-0
    +1
    All the time, in fact.
  • mwf122090 2012/03/05 09:18:34
    NO, The Confederate Flag IS NOT Used As A Symbol Of Racism
    mwf122090
    +1
    I say yes and no. It really depends upon how it is being used.

    Yes, the South was pro-slavery and it was one of the major points of the Civil War (yes, yes state's rights, I know) and the flag carries with it the idea that slavery is okay and that those of African descent are lesser people. However, as a student of history, I can understand the sense of pride that southerners have with the flag. Of course, I think there are better representations of the south then the use of the Stars and Bars.
  • Sadisticon 2012/03/01 01:19:07
    YES, The Confederate Flag IS Used As A Symbol Of Racism
    Sadisticon
    +3
    It is used as a symbol of racism. but it is not exclusively a symbol of racism. It is. most notably, a symbol of a failed rebellion.
  • Kalayaan 001 2012/02/28 22:35:29 (edited)
    NO, The Confederate Flag IS NOT Used As A Symbol Of Racism
    Kalayaan 001
    +1
    Not necessarily. It depends on the viewer.

    Like anything else (like a hammer, food, or electricity), it can be used for good or bad.

    And a flag, a symbol? Even more so! While the object does have some importance, it is (by the symbol's very nature) the idea tied to the symbol that is of prime importance.

    Look at the swastika.



    It was an Eastern good-luck symbol used by the Buddhists, Hindus, Jainists, and Medieval Christians in China, Japan, and Armenia. Even the Native Americans used it!


    And then, the Nazis started using it and the meaning changed completely.

    But, this negative stigma is not permanent. Many things can be leaned from this hijack of association (and the difficulty of the original owners in returning the public sentiment to what it was before):
    1) Associations can change.
    2) The meaning is not in the object itself, but on the individual viewer.
    3) Changing people's attached ideas is not easy.

    Likewise can be said with the Stars & Bars and the Dixie flag.


    They can be a symbol of racism (and to many) it is. But, to other viewers (especially the U.S.'s Southerners), it is a symbols of Southern pride or State rights. It all depends on the eye of the beholder.
    Not necessarily. It depends on the viewer.

    Like anything else (like a hammer, food, or electricity), it can be used for good or bad.

    And a flag, a symbol? Even more so! While the object does have some importance, it is (by the symbol's very nature) the idea tied to the symbol that is of prime importance.

    Look at the swastika.
    swastika buddha
    swastika hindu

    It was an Eastern good-luck symbol used by the Buddhists, Hindus, Jainists, and Medieval Christians in China, Japan, and Armenia. Even the Native Americans used it!
    swastika native american

    And then, the Nazis started using it and the meaning changed completely.

    But, this negative stigma is not permanent. Many things can be leaned from this hijack of association (and the difficulty of the original owners in returning the public sentiment to what it was before):
    1) Associations can change.
    2) The meaning is not in the object itself, but on the individual viewer.
    3) Changing people's attached ideas is not easy.

    Likewise can be said with the Stars & Bars and the Dixie flag.
    dixie flag flying

    They can be a symbol of racism (and to many) it is. But, to other viewers (especially the U.S.'s Southerners), it is a symbols of Southern pride or State rights. It all depends on the eye of the beholder.
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  • Salonje 2012/02/27 18:59:43
    YES, The Confederate Flag IS Used As A Symbol Of Racism
    Salonje
    +1
    I think people have to consider the history of the confederate flag in order to really deternine whether they actually believe that flag does not reflect a symbol of racism in our country. I believe it is a symbol of racism.
  • Dave 2012/02/26 18:44:06
    YES, The Confederate Flag IS Used As A Symbol Of Racism
    Dave
    +3
    It's a Racist symbol and on the same line as putting a sheet over your head. I'm fine seeing it used in historical re-inactments.

    The Civil War was about slavery, and yes, you can soften it up and make it pretty, but over all it was about slavery. This flag represented the South and slavery.

    Anyone using this flag is denouncing their US citizenship in my eyes, and shoule be looked upon as a terrorist.

    It's nothing more than a racist image.
  • pinkcup... Dave 2012/03/02 03:02:55
    pinkcupcake
    +2
    well said!
  • C. C. Rider 2012/02/26 17:21:21
    YES, The Confederate Flag IS Used As A Symbol Of Racism
    C. C. Rider
    +4
    I am living in the South and trust me that flag means different things to different people. 1) If you are a SH con and you have that flag trust me , you are a screaming racist and you make sure THAT is known. 2) If you are a member of the KKK.....ehh do I really need to finish that comment? lol..BUT there a few in the south that really do love the flag. MOST have retired it due to the understanding that it has been hijacked to mean the worst, but some do fly it for Southern Pride, being just that, they are proud of being southern, not racist, They are few and far inbetween tho.
  • luvguins 2012/02/26 15:43:56
    YES, The Confederate Flag IS Used As A Symbol Of Racism
    luvguins
    +4
    That plus a symbol of the sore civil war losers in the South. They are still fighting it.
  • C. C. R... luvguins 2012/02/26 17:23:06
    C. C. Rider
    +3
    LUV, you are right, I still LOL when some of my neighbors call me "The Yankee" LOL..AT least they have cleaned it up from what they use to call me. THAT SOB YANKEE!! LOL...
  • ProudProgressive 2012/02/26 15:33:40
    YES, The Confederate Flag IS Used As A Symbol Of Racism
    ProudProgressive
    +8
    The Civil War was started by the Confederacy for the sole purpose of protecting the institution of slavery. The Southern states believed that people with black skin were not human beings, and were not entitled to any rights, including the right not to be murdered on the whim of a white plantation owner. There is no concept more pervasively racist than the idea that the color of your skin determined whether you have a right to be alive or not. That flag was the symbol of that fight. When it is displayed in the present day it represents respect and honor to the idea that fighting to preserve slavery was justified and a rejection of the fact that the South lost.
  • Swampdo... ProudPr... 2012/02/27 22:29:32
    Swampdog PWCM
    Not quite true, no one knows who fired the first shot at Fort Sumter.
  • ProudPr... Swampdo... 2012/02/27 22:35:21
    ProudProgressive
    +1
    This is from "civilwar.org". I have no idea how reliable it is, but reprint it simply to illustrate the prevailing opinion. Neither you nor I were there, so I suppose anything's possible. However, there would have been no reason for the Union to open fire. South Carolina had already demanded the Union's withdrawal and had already publicly discussed the fact that they were going to take the Fort by force if Federal troops refused to leave voluntarily.

    Battle of Fort Sumter
    April 12-14, 1861

    On April 10, 1861, Brig. Gen. Beauregard, in command of the provisional Confederate forces at Charleston, South Carolina, demanded the surrender of the Union garrison of Fort Sumter in Charleston Harbor. Garrison commander Anderson refused. On April 12, Confederate batteries opened fire on the fort, which was unable to reply effectively. At 2:30 pm, April 13, Major Anderson surrendered Fort Sumter, evacuating the garrison on the following day. The bombardment of Fort Sumter was the opening engagement of the American Civil War. Although there were no casualties during the bombardment, one Union artillerist was killed and three wounded (one mortally) when a cannon exploded prematurely while firing a salute during the evacuation on April 14.

    http://www.civilwar.org/battl...

    This articl...

    This is from "civilwar.org". I have no idea how reliable it is, but reprint it simply to illustrate the prevailing opinion. Neither you nor I were there, so I suppose anything's possible. However, there would have been no reason for the Union to open fire. South Carolina had already demanded the Union's withdrawal and had already publicly discussed the fact that they were going to take the Fort by force if Federal troops refused to leave voluntarily.

    Battle of Fort Sumter
    April 12-14, 1861

    On April 10, 1861, Brig. Gen. Beauregard, in command of the provisional Confederate forces at Charleston, South Carolina, demanded the surrender of the Union garrison of Fort Sumter in Charleston Harbor. Garrison commander Anderson refused. On April 12, Confederate batteries opened fire on the fort, which was unable to reply effectively. At 2:30 pm, April 13, Major Anderson surrendered Fort Sumter, evacuating the garrison on the following day. The bombardment of Fort Sumter was the opening engagement of the American Civil War. Although there were no casualties during the bombardment, one Union artillerist was killed and three wounded (one mortally) when a cannon exploded prematurely while firing a salute during the evacuation on April 14.

    http://www.civilwar.org/battl...

    This article claims to identify the soldier who literally "fired the first shot":

    http://www.civilwar.org/educa...
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  • Swampdo... ProudPr... 2012/02/28 03:09:41
    Swampdog PWCM
    As a southerner, I wouldn't doubt that some "hot headed" South Carolinan fired the first volley. Only that person knows for sure. I do however believe that neither Beauregard nor Anderson wanted to kill any soldiers or sailors. Thank goodness that BGen. Beauregard was so ineffective.
  • Patrick21 2012/02/26 11:28:57
  • ProudPr... Patrick21 2012/02/26 15:30:17
    ProudProgressive
    +9
    You need an education, friend. The Civil War was entirely about slavery. And before the Republicans started their drive to rewrite history this wasn't even an issue.

    This is from the Mississippi Articles of Secession:

    Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.

    This is from the South Carolina Articles of Secession:

    An increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitutio...
    You need an education, friend. The Civil War was entirely about slavery. And before the Republicans started their drive to rewrite history this wasn't even an issue.

    This is from the Mississippi Articles of Secession:

    Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.

    This is from the South Carolina Articles of Secession:

    An increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.
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  • luvguins ProudPr... 2012/02/26 15:35:35
  • Mark In... ProudPr... 2012/02/27 18:27:09
    Mark In Irvine
    Thank you Proud Progressive for reminding the clue-less of American history ...
  • Swampdo... ProudPr... 2012/02/27 22:40:27
    Swampdog PWCM
    +1
    Northerners say slavery, Southerners say states rights, there is a plethora of writing to support both sides. The question posed is a red hot issue and the answer is no to some and yes to others. Just read the vitriolic and bellicose statements from both sides. We don't have to relive the war, but it would be nice to try to understand the others side.
  • FeelHoo... Patrick21 2012/02/26 22:15:04
  • Dave 007 2012/02/25 13:03:26
    NO, The Confederate Flag IS NOT Used As A Symbol Of Racism
    Dave 007
    +2
    I have no problem with it. Hell, because of "PC", we don't know how 95% of americans think.
  • Saye Saye 2012/02/24 19:26:54
    YES, The Confederate Flag IS Used As A Symbol Of Racism
    Saye Saye
    +7
    I am a southerner & living here it seems most rednecks who are vocal about race fly this flag.
  • Swampdo... Saye Saye 2012/02/27 22:42:26
    Swampdog PWCM
    +1
    Is redneck a bigoted term? Listen to what you write?
  • Ron in Oregon 2012/02/24 18:29:11
    NO, The Confederate Flag IS NOT Used As A Symbol Of Racism
    Ron in Oregon
    +2
    The only symbol of racism would be a sheet as worn by the KKK.
  • Che Gue... Ron in ... 2012/02/24 18:30:38
  • Swampdo... Ron in ... 2012/02/25 14:26:25
    Swampdog PWCM
    +2
    What about the Black panthers and their black gloves.
  • ProudPr... Swampdo... 2012/02/26 15:34:45
    ProudProgressive
    +5
    What about them?
  • Swampdo... ProudPr... 2012/02/26 16:06:15
    Swampdog PWCM
    +1
    You didn't see them at the polls in Philadelphia in 2008? Many tried to bring charges against them, but Eric Holder said, 'NO!'
  • ProudPr... Swampdo... 2012/02/26 16:20:07
    ProudProgressive
    +7
    Actually, it was the Bush Administration that dropped all criminal charges in the so-called "New Black Panther" non-scandal on January 9, 2009, eleven days before President Obama took office and a month before Eric Holder was confirmed as Attorney General. The Obama Administration obtained a civil conviction against one member and dropped the other charges because there was no evidence to support them. Not a single complaint of voter intimidation was received by the Pennsylvania Board of Elections. And ask yourself this - why would the "New Black Panthers" seek to intimidate voters in a district that was strongly democratic and had a black majority population? If they really wanted to intimidate people wouldn't they have gone to a white Republican neighborhood?
  • Swampdo... ProudPr... 2012/02/27 22:57:08
    Swampdog PWCM
    +2
    Holder did say no, and the black panthers left after a few news crews came by to interview the gentlemen with the black gloves and berets.That's why there were few if any complaints to the Supervisor of Elections. Although I know little of where the Panthers were located I recognize the behavior of Bullies. These gentlemen sought to intimidate any and all, regardless of color! Typical of other Bigoted groups perhaps? Perhaps the Ku Klux Klan? Read, Robert Frosts" Fire and Ice", I'm sure you have as you seem to be one of the only truly literate folks on this site ,but as the poet infers, although opposite, in the end the same.
  • ProudPr... Swampdo... 2012/02/28 04:57:52
    ProudProgressive
    +1
    Some say the world will end in fire,
    Some say in ice.
    From what I've tasted of desire
    I hold with those who favor fire.
    But if it had to perish twice,
    I think I know enough of hate
    To say that for destruction ice
    Is also great
    And would suffice.

    bravo
  • Dave Ron in ... 2012/02/26 18:49:28
    Dave
    +2
    No - that flag has the same meaning. I 've known enough White people that are proud of this flag. 98% are racists in different levels.
  • Swampdo... Dave 2012/02/27 22:58:42
    Swampdog PWCM
    Perhaps you need to raise your level of white people. Or are the 98% your friends?
  • Dave Swampdo... 2012/03/01 06:36:45
    Dave
    I'm sorry - That flag is racist.
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