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Is the Chicago Teachers Strike Helping or Hurting the Education System?

AdriHead 2012/09/13 19:00:00
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Public school teachers in Chicago have been on strike for a few days now, which has put a stop to classes and affected family schedules across the state. But Chicago Teachers Union President Karen Lewis says she expects there to be a deal soon between the teachers union that is on strike and public school officials. Do you think the strike is ultimately helping the education system -- or hurting it by grinding it to an indefinite halt?

CHICAGOTRIBUNE.COM reports:
Negotiators trying to settle the Chicago teachers strike say more than 350,000 students could be back in the classroom by Friday.
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  • Dale 2012/09/13 19:13:28
    Helping
    Dale
    +31
    By the reading and math levels of students in the Chicago Public Schools, they, the teachers, are probably helping the students more by staying out on strike.

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  • Derbyhat 2012/09/15 08:57:04
    Helping
    Derbyhat
    +3
    It helps by exposing the teachers who do NOT want to be graded for marginally holding class and by the student scores striving to create the nation's stupidest students. If anyone really thinks this is the best a nation, a state or a city can due by keeping an inept union and union queen's court, like Karen Lewis intact and dysfunctional, you are already a devoted Obama court jester.
  • DougE Derbyhat 2012/09/15 17:31:42
    DougE
    +2
    did you see that 40% of those idiots don't send their kids to public school? Just like federal government workers, I bet they all drive Mercedes and BMWs too!
  • Bob DiN 2012/09/15 06:57:43
    Hurting
    Bob DiN
    +4
    Teachers unions are hurting education.
  • V~POTL~PWCM~JLA 2012/09/15 06:00:01
    Hurting
    V~POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +3
    In some states, teachers don't have the right to strike. This is what Illinois gets for not being one of them.
  • Navajogirl 2012/09/15 05:27:49
    Hurting
    Navajogirl
    +2
    Obama fundrising
  • scottcleaves 2012/09/15 05:26:54
    Helping
    scottcleaves
    +2
    Per usual, you righties have no idea what you're talking about, so here's the facts (I know, you have great difficulty with facts):
    1. America spends 60% of its federal tax dollars on funding the military and approximately 10% on education. Translation...
    2. With little money available in the school systems for salaries, who do you think ends up teaching our kids? Certainly not people who are intelligent enough to become doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. No, it's generally people graduating toward the bottom of their classes in college. Translation...
    3. We have a glut of average teachers trying to do the most important job in the country: educating our youth. Not only that, but these teachers are stuck with over-sized classrooms, diverse student populations, extremes in learning levels within their own classrooms, often incompetent administrators, uninterested/uninvolved youth and parents, constant issues with behavior management, etc. I could go on and on, but suffice it to say, the job isn't exactly easy nor is it fruitful. If you don't believe me, YOU try it. And the end result...
    4. We have fallen to the #17 spot world-wide in academic achievement. The solution:
    5. Reverse the percentages in #1 and follow the Finnish model of education which has catapulted them to #1...
    Per usual, you righties have no idea what you're talking about, so here's the facts (I know, you have great difficulty with facts):
    1. America spends 60% of its federal tax dollars on funding the military and approximately 10% on education. Translation...
    2. With little money available in the school systems for salaries, who do you think ends up teaching our kids? Certainly not people who are intelligent enough to become doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. No, it's generally people graduating toward the bottom of their classes in college. Translation...
    3. We have a glut of average teachers trying to do the most important job in the country: educating our youth. Not only that, but these teachers are stuck with over-sized classrooms, diverse student populations, extremes in learning levels within their own classrooms, often incompetent administrators, uninterested/uninvolved youth and parents, constant issues with behavior management, etc. I could go on and on, but suffice it to say, the job isn't exactly easy nor is it fruitful. If you don't believe me, YOU try it. And the end result...
    4. We have fallen to the #17 spot world-wide in academic achievement. The solution:
    5. Reverse the percentages in #1 and follow the Finnish model of education which has catapulted them to #1 status in the world. Finland makes damn sure that ONLY the best and brightest of their population receive the high honor of becoming a qualified teacher. And guess what? Their teachers are rewarded handsomely. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
    Go figure.
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  • hoomuzu scottcl... 2012/09/15 07:18:43
    hoomuzu
    +1
    woah, you mean you are actually going to discuss the issue at hand instead of just give moronic one liners such as "thank the unions for the thieves that rip the education system" and "dissolve the union by firing anyone one strike" etc? Kudos to you, good sir. You may have the wrong website for that though...
  • Cliff scottcl... 2012/09/15 11:54:43
    Cliff
    +2
    Here's the facts. The NEA is the most harmful entity in America today. They can all go to hell and good riddance.
  • Stuart scottcl... 2012/09/15 15:20:49
    Stuart
    +1
    It isn't about money. It is about competency. Private, religious and home schools spend way less per pupil but have a much higher level of education.

    Plus, the DOEd has only been around since the Carter Administration. It isn't a mandated function of the Federal Government. Supporting National Defense is. The purpose of the DOEd and Teachers Unions is to protect Teachers not teach students.

    Give a good teacher $1000 and she can increase the performance of any student. Give a Union backed Teacher $10,000 and there will be no perceived change in performance but they will have a bigger paycheck.
  • DougE scottcl... 2012/09/15 17:32:39
  • DougE DougE 2012/09/15 17:33:49
    DougE
    Unless you mean 60% of the money we don't borrow from China.
  • Robin B scottcl... 2012/09/15 19:50:52 (edited)
    Robin B
    The unions are to blame!
  • Derbyhat scottcl... 2012/09/16 17:26:26
    Derbyhat
    Many Teachers run their own government and in some places like the worst big school system in the US are paid almost twice what the average household earns. This glut of average lack-lustre teachers doesn't challenge student and breeds that attitude in the underachievers who see bigger bucks for doing a half-ass job. Obama a Chicago product? Perhaps that is why his records (especially at all three known colleges) are sealed as if he was a juvenile offender! Did he violate their constitutions, too?

    Teacher's unions have a structure that taxpayers pay heavily for before even one student sits at her desk. The only way to fire a bad or even corrupt teachers seems to be with a bullet and that is not the way it should be. It should never take decades to get rid of garbage teachers. Unions use the same model as President Obama with a government that is over paid to regulate America to its knees, dispite and beneath the law.

    You want a translation to #2? "If you paid me better I'd do a better job!" mentality of unions. 50 years ago imported cars were rare, but overpaid unions just put out poorer quality than the Japanese and they swamped us with quality. Then all seemed in need of bailouts. When GM was put on life support, the unions got the deal while stockholders lost their life's sav...





    Many Teachers run their own government and in some places like the worst big school system in the US are paid almost twice what the average household earns. This glut of average lack-lustre teachers doesn't challenge student and breeds that attitude in the underachievers who see bigger bucks for doing a half-ass job. Obama a Chicago product? Perhaps that is why his records (especially at all three known colleges) are sealed as if he was a juvenile offender! Did he violate their constitutions, too?

    Teacher's unions have a structure that taxpayers pay heavily for before even one student sits at her desk. The only way to fire a bad or even corrupt teachers seems to be with a bullet and that is not the way it should be. It should never take decades to get rid of garbage teachers. Unions use the same model as President Obama with a government that is over paid to regulate America to its knees, dispite and beneath the law.

    You want a translation to #2? "If you paid me better I'd do a better job!" mentality of unions. 50 years ago imported cars were rare, but overpaid unions just put out poorer quality than the Japanese and they swamped us with quality. Then all seemed in need of bailouts. When GM was put on life support, the unions got the deal while stockholders lost their life's savings. Have teachers been any different? Did you celebrate Labor Day? How many hours did you have to work to pay for a bad teacher's higher union wages?

    You said, "Finland makes damn sure that ONLY the best and brightest of their population receive the high honor of becoming a qualified teacher". The U.S. believes in using the "Deli-counter" (capitalism) method where you go in a get a short term, try the product and if you like it, come back with the same enthusiasm. The Chicago method, you load up the students at the deli with teachers who are still passing out the bad, 'rotted "education", high priced product' from the same piece of meat, and they are asking to be paid more for it AND THEY DON'T WANT TO BE SCORED, EITHER! The only thing the teachers are really angry about is that they didn't become police for in some cities make over $200K per year. With the skill that the poor teachers exhibit in the classroom, what would it be like if they were armed police officers. Yes, today's Chicago!

    Do you want to borrow from China to pay the "one way" unions? Or perhaps you want Bernanke to legally 'counterfeit" our currency by flooding the market with folding money that cheapens the U.S. dollar to prop up the waste created by those elected and those unelected to play with the rules!

    The Cubs have been long beloved for their efforts in each of their baseball seasons, yet they have come up short, having perhaps 80 losses in a season. Chicago loves their Cubs. Does any other community love their teachers for similar losses? Can anyone community or nation excuse 200,000 losses in a union teaching season?
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  • LisaSmith 2012/09/15 04:26:09
    Hurting
    LisaSmith
    +2
    It is hurting Chicago. The people of Chicago look like a disgrace because of what their city has become.
  • J.MaisOui 2012/09/15 04:22:43
    Helping
    J.MaisOui
    +2
    No!!! Public school sucks!!! Online schooling is the way to go!!! Its free, and you learn so much more, at a much faster pace.gathered are always teachers to call if they need help.So thankful of this new. plan. Wonderful!!!!!
  • Jiorgia 2012/09/15 03:13:34
    Hurting
    Jiorgia
    +1
    hurting right now, helping in the long run.
  • CODE 11 Jiorgia 2012/09/15 15:59:58
    CODE 11
    How is a 16% rasie , when the city is broke..helping in the long run
  • Jiorgia CODE 11 2012/09/15 16:07:34
    Jiorgia
    if the teachers cant afford to live there while being a teacher they will just stop working as a teacher, no teachers = no schools.
  • CODE 11 Jiorgia 2012/09/15 16:08:53
    CODE 11
    They make almost double the local average there..where are they going to work..if they don't teach
  • Jiorgia CODE 11 2012/09/15 16:12:42
    Jiorgia
    I doubt it very much, teachers statistically have lower pay brackets then any other degreed professional.
    sorry, working as a teacher there (not just working as a teacher) they will move away to where they can afford it.

    believe me you want your teachers to stick around.
  • CODE 11 Jiorgia 2012/09/15 16:18:12
    CODE 11
    over 73,000 dollars a year..for 180 days...every hoilday off...summers off....a pension with 7 different ways to collect it...and paid up healthcare for life. They aren't going anywhere. Find some other job there that pays a 16% raise every year......73X 16% no change of being fired..they'll stick around
  • Robin B Jiorgia 2012/09/15 19:53:11
    Robin B
    No unions, no problem.
  • Jiorgia Robin B 2012/09/16 02:52:50
    Jiorgia
    I suggest that you look into history and find out what unions have actually done for civilisation before spouting off that unions are the problem.

    I assume that you fall into the middle class tax bracket, you would be working for $1 a day while you boss earns $1000 a minute if it wasn't for unions.
  • Robin B Jiorgia 2012/09/16 20:14:04
    Robin B
    Look at what your union bosses make and tell me that again. Unions have driven jobs out of the country. The EPA has as well.
    Don't assume.
  • Jiorgia Robin B 2012/09/17 01:06:39
    Jiorgia
    My union boss is a volunteer, I know him personally.
  • Robin B Jiorgia 2012/09/17 13:12:27
    Robin B
    Maybe in your school as a shop stooge but look a little higher you would amazed.
  • biggerman Jiorgia 2012/09/17 17:06:12 (edited)
    biggerman
    The problem is not unions - it is public sector unions - that is a problem. If you need an explanation - google it and read with an open mind about the inherent philosophical conflict of interest that public sector unions create. Unions, in general, have been helpful but, due to the fact that unions are now controlled by political ideologues and used as political tools, they are no longer doing the good work they were intended to do. The proverbial pendulum has swung way too far to the other side and jobs are being lost to other countries because wages and benefits are too high in comparison to the rest of the world. This is not the only reason that jobs are "outsourced" but it is certainly one of them.
  • Katie1234 2012/09/15 03:07:20
    Hurting
    Katie1234
    +6
    The losers get paid more than any other teacher in the US. And, they are whining? Quit protesting and go work! Kids don't have time for you losers to waste their education beause you dipwads aren't happy. Greedy fools. I bet you're crappy teachers, too.
  • scottcl... Katie1234 2012/09/15 04:33:37
    scottcleaves
    As a teacher, I find your comment to be the result of your being highly uneducated on the subject. Care to know the facts?
  • Cliff scottcl... 2012/09/15 11:56:41
    Cliff
    +3
    Here's a fact. The NEA sucks!
  • meme14 scottcl... 2012/09/15 15:36:53
    meme14
    +2
    they don't care about facts...save yourself the time..lol
  • CODE 11 scottcl... 2012/09/15 16:03:57 (edited)
    CODE 11
    +2
    16% raise..when all other goverment workers are getting 2 or 3 % . paying in 4 % toward your retirement..while others are paying in 10%. Working to protect the worst teachers in the union from having to preform at the same level os the best..why don't you educate us? Oh working 180 days a year..every holiday off...summers off ..give me a break
  • Katie1234 scottcl... 2012/09/16 02:21:54 (edited)
    Katie1234
    My mom's a teacher. We've talked about it. I KNOW the facts.
  • Dan 2012/09/15 01:48:34
    Hurting
    Dan
    +1
    Just my opinion.
  • DougE 2012/09/15 00:18:18 (edited)
    Hurting
    DougE
    +5
    These idiots are celebrating their own failures, if they were good teachers and the Illinios education didn't suck so bad, they wouldn't have to strike! The numbers don't lie, these folks are failures!
  • Died 2012/09/14 23:32:35
  • Aksana 2012/09/14 22:15:12
    Hurting
    Aksana
    +1
    Striking is never helping, l know this from my country ok...its bad and reaallly bad trust me
  • JessyBear 2012/09/14 22:13:37
    Hurting
    JessyBear
    +4
    The Teachers unions should be abolished. Schools should all be privatized and parents who send their kids to school should be given a credit to send them to the school of their choice. The system is broken and the Union should be broken.
  • J.MaisOui JessyBear 2012/09/15 04:27:41
    J.MaisOui
    +3
    Absolutely!!! Any child can do online education!! sits a great program!!! No bullying, school supplies, worrying about transportation, or all the costs involved. aEveruone should do it!!!
  • Lawrence 2012/09/14 21:28:00
    Helping
    Lawrence
    Any time off compulsory schooling has to be a good thing!

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