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Is the Chicago Teachers Strike Helping or Hurting the Education System?

AdriHead 2012/09/13 19:00:00
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Public school teachers in Chicago have been on strike for a few days now, which has put a stop to classes and affected family schedules across the state. But Chicago Teachers Union President Karen Lewis says she expects there to be a deal soon between the teachers union that is on strike and public school officials. Do you think the strike is ultimately helping the education system -- or hurting it by grinding it to an indefinite halt?

CHICAGOTRIBUNE.COM reports:
Negotiators trying to settle the Chicago teachers strike say more than 350,000 students could be back in the classroom by Friday.
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Read More: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/...

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  • Dale 2012/09/13 19:13:28
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    Dale
    +31
    By the reading and math levels of students in the Chicago Public Schools, they, the teachers, are probably helping the students more by staying out on strike.

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  • SonofSp... Cliff 2012/09/17 15:55:20
    SonofSpermcube
    So, it WAS government's business to educate people then?
  • Cliff SonofSp... 2012/09/25 05:02:13
    Cliff
    No, the government does not and never did belong in the education business.
  • DougE Cleaver62 2012/09/15 17:29:56
    DougE
    +2
    you really don't know what you're talking about do you? School vouchers worked, that was GW Bush's policy and Obama killed it. No child left behind was a piece of bad legislation writen and sponsored by Ted Kennedy, you know, the drunk who killed a woman by wrecking and letting her drown so he could flee the scene avoid jail/prison. Bush owns it cause he signed it, but ulitmately it was another bad idea brought to us by progressives and liberal democrats who think throwing money at a problem solves a problem. Just like the war on Poverty, another great progressive policy that has spent 15T in 40 years with nothing, to show. Oh, we did loose ground on poverty however. Progressives destroy the education system with their textbook rewrites, illegal immigration and induction of non-english speaking childred into the public school system who suck resources and teachers time away from America students. Let us not forget the progressive destruction of values and morals by forcing grade school children to learn about alternative lifestyles, sexual health and education, tolerance, and political correctness. No Cleaver, it is this decayed progressive agenda that destroys us from within.
  • Cleaver62 DougE 2012/09/15 18:31:55
    Cleaver62
    +1
    No... you don't know what you are talking about. The downfall of America started with Reagan. He didn't like education at all because schools were teaching kids to protest all of his terrible Republican policies. That's why he decided to stop with the free education in California when he was Governor. He didn't want kids to know the truth about history so Republicans re-wrote all the textbooks and schools stopped teaching civics. You no longer learn about the labor strikes or how it was liberals who made this country great. Instead everything started to revolve around money and Reagan's culture of greed. Instead of taking care or you neighbors, now it is take care of yourself first and F**k everyone else. Reagan was a real piece of crap and even those history books have be re-written to make him look like some good guy.
  • Aqua Su... Cleaver62 2012/09/16 02:25:39
  • SonofSp... Aqua Su... 2012/09/16 14:05:59
    SonofSpermcube
    The troll face is intended to be used for when what you are suggesting is not true, that the person you're baiting should KNOW it isn't true, but you're posting something so inflammatory they can't help but act as though they think you think it is.

    If you are intending to confirm the beliefs of the person to whom you responded, then I have been trolled. If you do not intend that, then perhaps you need to brush up on your meme use.
  • biggerman Cleaver62 2012/09/16 05:40:55
    biggerman
    You're nuts! That all I have to say about that.
  • SonofSp... biggerman 2012/09/16 14:06:34
    SonofSpermcube
    I call a name therefore demonstrating the falsehood of my opponent's position, QED I win!
  • biggerman SonofSp... 2012/09/17 15:59:10
    biggerman
    What he has said is so stupid and inaccurate that it is not worthy of any kind of refutation. The only thing that one can do with a guy like that is show disrespect. He stated in another post that it is Republicans who have forced their agenda into the publics schools. What do you say to a moron like that? Even you would have to laugh at that.
  • SonofSp... biggerman 2012/09/17 16:02:56
    SonofSpermcube
    I say he's pretty much right, except that the results of the efforts of Republicans are explained without needing to resort to attributing such specific goals. Merely introducing more stress into the system in terms of misallocating resources and excessive testing will accomplish the same results, without having any more complex motivation than "FYGM."
  • biggerman SonofSp... 2012/09/17 16:58:59
  • jerry Cleaver62 2012/09/15 17:31:36
    jerry
    +2
    Private and charter schools leave public schools in the dust on scores. I have 5 kids who have never spent a day in a public school because I knew what they would receive. I work 70-80 hours a week and scrimp on spending to be able to afford this. Why should I pay for schools that I don't use and that are failing the kids that go there. Why not vouchers to allow parents the choice to pick where their kids are educated. Why not more charter schools? Why not reward performance. Because for the teacher's union, it is about power, control and money. It's ahame that good teachers end up quitting because of the heavy handed abuses of the teacher's unions.
  • Cleaver62 jerry 2012/09/15 18:20:12
    Cleaver62
    +2
    Sure they do because they are selective in who they admit. If they run into a problem kid it is back into the public school system with them. And there are plenty of studies that say what you are saying is just plain not true. Most studies say that public education is better than charter school education. Most charter schools are just to make money for their owners. They have little if any interest in educating the kids.
  • jerry Cleaver62 2012/09/15 19:12:05
    jerry
    +1
    only a public school zealot could spin such b.s. with a straight face. Public schools in general have been a train wreck of failure as countries around the world leapfrog over the U.S. And the more we spend, the worse the results.

    Nice picture, by the way.
  • Cleaver62 jerry 2012/09/16 14:05:47
    Cleaver62
    And so you are telling me that for 200 years our educational system was screwed up and we we the best educated country in the world and after 30 years of Reaganomics and mostly Republican rule, our school systems are falling apart and that is because they were never any good? Do you think other countries have private education or public education where money is put into the system and teachers are valued in the way we value doctors?

    Thanks for the compliment on the photo. It is from It's Alive. Great 80s horror film.
  • jerry Cleaver62 2012/09/16 16:22:12
    jerry
    No.......what I'm saying is that as the teacher UNION has "progressed' further and further into a political movement, it has become more about tenure, time off, benefits, job retention in midst of incompetence, income, political clout, federal grants etc...instead of improved education for our kids. Teacher's union and the Democrat party are involved in an incestuous relationship that leave our kids as victims.

    P.S. God bless all you good teachers out there fighting the good fight!
  • SonofSp... jerry 2012/09/17 16:04:41
    SonofSpermcube
    In my high school, two teachers were fired for incompetence (and one for allegedly molesting children) in one year. A third would have been fired for incompetence had she not quit halfway through the year.
  • SonofSp... jerry 2012/09/16 14:08:12
    SonofSpermcube
    I would be curious to see your browser history.
  • Robin B jerry 2012/09/15 19:48:02
    Robin B
    +2
    Good for you and good for your kids!
  • jerry Robin B 2012/09/15 22:35:47
    jerry
    +1
    Thank Robin
  • SonofSp... jerry 2012/09/16 14:07:21
    SonofSpermcube
    Private and charter schools can reject problem students. Public schools cannot, unless of course they're bad enough to send to the juvenile or criminal justice systems.
  • jerry SonofSp... 2012/09/16 16:25:06
    jerry
    Public schools have long had special ed classes set up for those who need specialized care. And yet our rankings in "normal" education decline in the world every year.

    your point is misleading and untrue
  • SonofSp... jerry 2012/09/17 15:57:44
    SonofSpermcube
    They don't have space for everyone, and not everyone who gets kicked out of charters and private schools would qualify.

    Charter and private schools remove students who would drag down their statistics, while recruiting those who will bump them up. You cannot use aggregate student performance to compare regular public schools with charters or private schools.
  • jerry SonofSp... 2012/09/17 16:09:55
    jerry
    even taking your point into consideration and adjusting for that...the results are so vastly different you cannot escape that government run education with teacher union corruption is a dismal failure.
  • SonofSp... jerry 2012/09/18 00:27:20
    SonofSpermcube
    Oh? I would like to read your analysis of the statistics to show how you "adjusted" for it.
  • biggerman SonofSp... 2012/09/17 16:10:23 (edited)
    biggerman
    I'm sorry but private schools do take problem children and try to go the "extra mile" to help them. Many times, kids get kicked out of public schools and their parents try to put them into a small private or Christian school with the hopes of that these kids will respond to the more personal attention they receive. Yes, private schools can reject problem kids but public schools do as well.
  • SonofSp... biggerman 2012/09/18 00:38:27
    SonofSpermcube
    Some do. I grew up in an area with very good (in retrospect, shockingly good...my high school science classes were tougher than my college ones, for example) public schools. The only private high school was a Catholic high school, which was where the kids who got expelled from all the public high schools (for disciplinary reasons, not academic ones...and it had to happen multiple times to get that far, so they weren't being railroaded out) often went.

    Catholic education has a very distinct reputation from other parochial education, though. And this is one school in an area where if they didn't take the people who couldn't go to the public schools, they'd probably have to shut down. It doesn't demonstrate your point on an aggregate level any more than you complete lack of support does.
  • jerry SonofSp... 2012/09/18 17:00:33
    jerry
    Catholic school students outscored their public school counterparts by an average of 23 points.

    What makes the numbers more impressive is that Catholic high schools spend more than $2,000 less per pupil than public schools.


    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/201...
  • SonofSp... jerry 2012/09/19 07:08:43
    SonofSpermcube
    Compare them to public magnet schools, that way you eliminate the same bias that explains the success of the latter. Parents have to choose to send their kids to those school, which means that you inherently get a sample containing only those students whose parents care.

    It's apples and oranges.
  • jerry SonofSp... 2012/09/19 15:34:14
    jerry
    your right...public schools are a rotting apple. Beauracratic and wasteful. And our students pay the price. With us declining every year in the world , for you to defend your position shows a complete denial of reality.
  • SonofSp... jerry 2012/09/20 01:46:33
    SonofSpermcube
    Way to mix your metaphors there, champ.

    Your position shows a complete lack of understanding of how sampling bias works.
  • jerry SonofSp... 2012/09/21 17:03:22
    jerry
    at least I'm not swimming in an ocean of delusion...every one on the planet knows the public school system is broken.

    But you keep it up! I'm sure there are some windmills out there for you to slay !
  • Stuart 2012/09/15 15:12:51
    Hurting
    Stuart
    +3
    But, then again, the purpose of Teacher's Unions has never been to give children a better education. These people earn an average of 76,000 dollars when the average for the area is about 48,000. They want a 16 percent increase in pay. Statistics show that there has been no improvement in test scores in nearly 20 years and elementary school scores show less than half can read at grade level.
  • DougE Stuart 2012/09/15 17:30:20
    DougE
    +2
    Amen to that!
  • Robin B Stuart 2012/09/15 19:49:03
    Robin B
    Don't forget the benefit packages!
  • SonofSp... Stuart 2012/09/17 15:58:23
    SonofSpermcube
    They also have higher, often much higher, education levels than the average for the area, or almost any area.
  • Wahvlvke 2012/09/15 12:58:47
    Hurting
    Wahvlvke
    +3
    Not really ... the union thugocracy does not care about the children or teaching.
  • Cliff 2012/09/15 11:52:27
    Hurting
    Cliff
    +2
    The NEA is the single most harmful entity in America today.
  • CODE 11 Cliff 2012/09/15 15:58:10
    CODE 11
    +1
    Hear ! hear!.......the formost biggest waste of tax dollars we have.
  • DougE Cliff 2012/09/15 17:30:50
    DougE
    +1
    I don't know about that, they have to compete with SEIU and UAW!

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