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Is the Chicago Teachers Strike Helping or Hurting the Education System?

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Public school teachers in Chicago have been on strike for a few days now, which has put a stop to classes and affected family schedules across the state. But Chicago Teachers Union President Karen Lewis says she expects there to be a deal soon between the teachers union that is on strike and public school officials. Do you think the strike is ultimately helping the education system -- or hurting it by grinding it to an indefinite halt?

CHICAGOTRIBUNE.COM reports:
Negotiators trying to settle the Chicago teachers strike say more than 350,000 students could be back in the classroom by Friday.
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  • Dale 2012/09/13 19:13:28
    Helping
    Dale
    +31
    By the reading and math levels of students in the Chicago Public Schools, they, the teachers, are probably helping the students more by staying out on strike.

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  • 4570GOVT JessDeC... 2012/09/16 23:36:39
    4570GOVT
    +1
    ............... And As Was Custom In Those Days - OBAMA SAID --------------------- " GO FORTH , RHAM - AND - RUIN CHICAGO " ! .................. and Rham Made It So .
  • JessDeC... 4570GOVT 2012/09/17 00:33:14
    JessDeCristo
    +1
    But he will be going out same as Obama, when the day comes.
  • John "By God" American 2012/09/16 13:52:24
    Hurting
    John "By God" American
    +2
    What the heck. Why not burden the taxpayer even more...
  • Bill 2012/09/16 13:19:27 (edited)
    Helping
    Bill
    +1
    It's keeping the kids out of school and preventing them from unlearning stuff. Since only 15% of 4th graders are proficient at reading the best thing to do is keep them at home and have them learn from Sesame Street.

    http://blog.heritage.org/2012...
    Among other demands, the Chicago Teachers Union had asked for a 30 percent pay increase—despite the facts that just 15 percent of fourth graders are proficient in reading and just 56 percent of students graduate in the district.
  • Carlo 2012/09/16 13:18:10 (edited)
    Helping
    Carlo
    +1
    Another question from and individual who thinks all comments should be based on a two answer responses only, instead of being interested in true results by giving a third option of "other"

    Chicago has some of the most difficult school districts in the nation. These teachers are a perfect example of the disparity this nation is going through with comparable pay for teachers.

    The greater loss would be to see these teachers replaced when they know the students the schools and the curriculum the best.
  • william... Carlo 2012/09/17 05:37:18
    william.turner
    +2
    So you then are stating this strike is neutral? If it is not hurting or helping then it must be neutral yes?
  • Carlo william... 2012/09/17 07:36:08 (edited)
    Carlo
    if the teachers get their demands its helping, if they dont its hurting. Therefore there is no neutral positions yes?
  • william... Carlo 2012/09/19 17:42:47
    william.turner
    +1
    The question is not what will the long term affect be. The question is what is the effect now? So while you are skirting my question by shifting the timeline to the outcome, you are not answering the "now" question.
  • Carlo william... 2012/09/20 12:29:22 (edited)
    Carlo
    "So you then are stating this strike is neutral? If it is not hurting or helping then it must be neutral yes?"

    So if this is your idea of an effects "now" question. All I can say is where do you get a neutral position from my first statement. To begin with I selected "Helping" and my original statement went to underpaid teachers possibly being replaced, if an agreement was not reached, to new underpaid replacements that don't know the curriculum as well,

    I hope this has addressed your concerns to me skirting your now question I cant see anywhere. You sure that neutral question wasnt for someone else?
  • william... Carlo 2012/09/20 14:37:49
    william.turner
    +1
    Here is the question: "Is the Chicago Teachers Strike Helping or Hurting the Education System?"

    Notice it does not state "Will the", rather the question is talking about now by saying "Is the". That is point one.

    Point two is a quote from you: "Another question from and individual who thinks all comments should be based on a two answer responses only, instead of being interested in true results by giving a third option of "other"".

    This clearly meant you would have selected the "other" option if there were one and negates your new argument that you selected the “yes” option. So my question was a simple one (please try and keep up), is the "other" that you would have selected a "Neutral" option?

    Pretty simple yes?
  • Carlo william... 2012/09/23 09:06:06
    Carlo
    Congradulations you have made it clear your need to ask a question in such a manner. Actually your right if there were a choice of other then my comment would probably fall under that answer, because no answer I may give could truly be defined by helping or hurting but possibly both a little. Yet in this case more to helping so the other catagory wouldnt be necessary for me at this time, but I believe all questions should have the choice rather than forcing those to pick one when they "may" want to comment off of your choices. Its just a fair way to ask any question in this forum. I comment this way whenever the choice is not given to enlighten those who ask questions on this site. Hopefully it has enlightened you as well.
  • william... Carlo 2012/09/23 15:24:14
    william.turner
    Well I will take that as a yes. Statistically speaking there is no such thing as a little of both. 40% hurting and 60% helping is a net result of 20% helping, so the result is simply “helping”. Or, 50% hurting and 50% helping is a net result of 0%, meaning neutral.

    Thanks for the clarification.
  • Jesferk... Carlo 2012/09/23 22:27:47
    Jesferkicks
    +1
    If, as the post before yours is true and 15% of 4th graders read under par and only half the kids graduate, those schools and curriculum that those teachers know isn't working. So replacing those teachers and installing a decent system or keeping those teachers and installing a decent system would be equal. And I would certainly put more emphasis on a teacher and system that could teach my kids not "know" them.
  • Carlo Jesferk... 2012/10/22 20:06:18
    Carlo
    Well I guess so would I.
  • Indigo Minded 2012/09/16 13:08:40
    Helping
    Indigo Minded
    Helping long term, but hurting right now. Kids should be in school. Teachers need to be paid more absolutely tho.
  • Indigo ... Indigo ... 2012/09/16 13:17:29
  • Bill Indigo ... 2012/09/16 13:27:11
    Bill
    +3
    What you want is NOT what the teachers want. They want their pensions, a 30% pay increase, formerly laid off teachers to be rehired and job security (no layoffs). Why should they be "ABSOLUTELY" paid more when they can't even perform at marginal levels?

    http://blog.heritage.org/2012...
    Among other demands, the Chicago Teachers Union had asked for a 30 percent pay increase—despite the facts that just 15 percent of fourth graders are proficient in reading and just 56 percent of students graduate in the district.
  • Indigo ... Bill 2012/09/16 13:48:56
    Indigo Minded
    They should beef up social work in this area also. It is not all on a teacher to foster the success at school. It starts at home, the other underpaid sector in my book is the social worker. Poverty reform is a thing of fantasy, so we once again are repeating a cycle of throwing money at an issue to reap limited results. Results non the less.
  • Bill Indigo ... 2012/09/17 12:35:21 (edited)
    Bill
    +1
    Do you really think that some grade school or high school kid AND his/her family will be affected and therefore perform better because of some intervention by a social worker? It is the job of the teacher to foster success and if the kid is too stupid or unwilling to learn then teach to those that do, in fact, show interest. You can lead a horse to water...
    I remember when President Johnson started his "War on Poverty." Nothing since then has changed except the amount of money that has been depleted in doing so.
    Unfortunately, these ignorant, uneducated, disinterested people can still vote. And they will vote (or be told who to vote for) their best interests. They will, without understanding policies (economic, etc.) vote for the one who provides welfare, food stamps, housing, free medical care, projects, etc. and not give a moment of thought as to how they got into the position that brought them to this. It;s more than sad, it's criminal.
  • Bill Indigo ... 2012/09/17 12:26:46 (edited)
    Bill
    {Hmmm, special classes that determine level of student that is not associated with a grade level, which tests students to ensure they return to appropriate community grade.}

    That has been tried. There is SOME separation for the hardcore dumb cases but when students were tested for aptitude and placement it was determined to be racist because most of the black kids failed.

    Back around 1978, then Governor of Arkansas, Bill Clinton, had the state administer a test for all public school teachers. (Basically, it was a functional literacy test that was used to determine whether seniors in high school would receive a diploma or a certificate of attendance.) It was an 8th grade level test. Well, Clinton fired all that failed but was forced to rehire them. Why? Because 75% of the teacher that failed were black. He was then compelled to offer remedial training to get them up to par in reading and teaching skills. And so it goes.
  • ed 2012/09/16 11:45:32
    Helping
    ed
    helping in a sarcastic way,the kids don't have to listen to the teachers cry about them needing more money.
  • Teachkat 2012/09/16 11:27:41 (edited)
    Helping
    Teachkat
    Well replying to this is pointless, to many ignorant people on here that think they know everything about education. If you are not in a classroom you dont know, period. Here is a little food for thought. How do you motivate a student that has learned that they dont have to work to eat, they dont have to work to have a roof over their head, they dont have to work to have clothing. All they have to do is come to school so mama doesnt get her check cut off. They learn the more babies I have the bigger the check regardless of wether I take care of them or not, ( mostly not). Oh and if I act bad enough I can get the wonderful label of behavior disorder and then mama can get ( and this is their own words here people) a crazy check under SSI. The schools then can under law do nothing to them maximum 10 days suspenision. They can disrupt everyones education and continue to do so until the age of 22. Even if they dont have a label the schools cant kick them out because under NCLB it will mess with their graduation rate. I'm talking about students that fight do drugs ect. Chronic problems still there. I could go on and on but what would be the point. For those of you that think teachers are over paid you are idiots and not all teachers in the USA are making 70k some are as low as ...
    Well replying to this is pointless, to many ignorant people on here that think they know everything about education. If you are not in a classroom you dont know, period. Here is a little food for thought. How do you motivate a student that has learned that they dont have to work to eat, they dont have to work to have a roof over their head, they dont have to work to have clothing. All they have to do is come to school so mama doesnt get her check cut off. They learn the more babies I have the bigger the check regardless of wether I take care of them or not, ( mostly not). Oh and if I act bad enough I can get the wonderful label of behavior disorder and then mama can get ( and this is their own words here people) a crazy check under SSI. The schools then can under law do nothing to them maximum 10 days suspenision. They can disrupt everyones education and continue to do so until the age of 22. Even if they dont have a label the schools cant kick them out because under NCLB it will mess with their graduation rate. I'm talking about students that fight do drugs ect. Chronic problems still there. I could go on and on but what would be the point. For those of you that think teachers are over paid you are idiots and not all teachers in the USA are making 70k some are as low as 30k and many of those are caring individuals that spend their own money on supplies for students, paper pencils ect. Because dont think mama is going to use any of that money she get for those kinds of things.
    I can only imagine the problems in the inner cities.
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  • SonofSp... Teachkat 2012/09/16 13:37:40 (edited)
  • Teachkat SonofSp... 2012/09/17 10:46:18 (edited)
  • gizamondo 2012/09/16 09:40:34
    Hurting
    gizamondo
    +2
    Hurting an already failing school system. 50% failure rate and one of the highest paid in the nation. What the hell are they doing. let alone thinking. What about the students?
  • SonofSp... gizamondo 2012/09/16 13:40:15
    SonofSpermcube
    High cost of living.
  • Todd Pa... SonofSp... 2012/09/16 13:55:30
    Todd Parsons
    +3
    They already make $75K annually. This is more than most teachers in this nation. They are complaining that they don't want to be reviewed on their performance. Most likely because the truth will come out!
  • SonofSp... Todd Pa... 2012/09/16 14:09:54
    SonofSpermcube
    [citation needed]

    Also, Chicago is a more expensive city than most in this nation. I would damn well expect them to make a lot more than someone in Amarillo or Mobile or wherever.
  • 4570GOVT SonofSp... 2012/09/16 15:46:20
    4570GOVT
    +1
    WRONG ! ------------- Why do you think it is more expensive than any other city ? WHY is it more expensive ? - Could it be the WAR being fought between Socialists and Organized Crime ?
  • SonofSp... 4570GOVT 2012/09/17 15:27:55
    SonofSpermcube
    Where do you think rents (which impact the cost of everything in a city) go?
  • 4570GOVT SonofSp... 2012/09/17 16:11:51 (edited)
    4570GOVT
    Into the pockets of Organized Crime Bosses who run the city .

    YOU being a Paid Propaganda Peddler " FROM CHINA " Should Know This . The TAX money is clearly not getting to where should be .
    There is a WAR in Chicago between the Socialists and Organized Crime - In The End ......... " The Citizens Lose "

    NYC is even more expensive ! My wife grew up in Queens ( NYC ) . When she moved out of that mess and in with me ........... she could not believe how affordable THE OUTSIDE WORLD was . Housing - Gas - Food - Everything !
  • SonofSp... 4570GOVT 2012/09/18 00:04:59
    SonofSpermcube
    Hmm, yes, gangsters are notorious for owning property and renting it out.
  • 4570GOVT SonofSp... 2012/09/18 00:09:11
    4570GOVT
    YOU REALLY " ARE " CONFUSED ! ................ LOL
  • 4570GOVT Todd Pa... 2012/09/16 15:43:14
    4570GOVT
    BINGO ! - You Got It
  • gizamondo SonofSp... 2012/10/03 01:44:22
    gizamondo
    Sorry to get back to you so late, but what does the high cost of living have to do with those that are receiving the highest wages. DUH!
  • SonofSp... gizamondo 2012/10/15 11:00:55
    SonofSpermcube
    Are they getting the highest wages in terms of PPP?
  • gizamondo SonofSp... 2012/10/17 22:28:35
    gizamondo
    If the teachers are not teaching, why do they deserve the highest wages? It is time for the teachers to do the job they are highly paid for and shut up. PPP ? Do your damn job!!
  • ♥Nicole Nataliah♥ 2012/09/16 09:32:34
    Hurting
    ♥Nicole Nataliah♥
    +2
    Hurting and the teachers there are horrible.
  • SonofSp... ♥Nicole... 2012/09/16 14:10:09
    SonofSpermcube
    Why do you say they're horrible?
  • 4570GOVT ♥Nicole... 2012/09/16 15:49:21
    4570GOVT
    +1
    Some of the WORST in the nation ! - The Teachers are not teaching and the students are not learning . These teachers are the highest paid in the country - and yet they want MORE ?

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