Is the Chicago Teachers Strike Helping or Hurting the Education System?
AdriHead
2012/09/13 19:00:00
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Public school teachers in Chicago have been on strike for a few days now, which has put a stop to classes and affected family schedules across the state. But Chicago Teachers Union President Karen Lewis says she expects there to be a deal soon between the teachers union that is on strike and public school officials. Do you think the strike is ultimately helping the education system -- or hurting it by grinding it to an indefinite halt?
CHICAGOTRIBUNE.COM reports:
CHICAGOTRIBUNE.COM reports:
Negotiators trying to settle the Chicago teachers strike say more than 350,000 students could be back in the classroom by Friday.
Read More: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/...
If enough people can see it they might get rid of the Union, in favor of teachers that really want to educate our children.
Charter School won't help. once you start forcing the kids that do not want to learn into that situation you will get the same thing. Unless of course a charter school can refuse those kids? Why can;t a public school refuse the idiots?
Does you boss hover over you making sure you dot every I and cross every T. No, because he hired you because he thought you could do that. The same thing with teachers. Let them teach instead of using a politician's clipboard.
Yet teachers still stand in front of 30 kids and talk, like they did in 1850. I can not believe that people can not use technology to create interesting self-pace computer based lessons that stimulate students. Work-study programs, apprenticeships, Khan Academy, monetary rewards for meeting standards, whatever. The money that we waste on teachers who can't teach and administrators who can't administer is staggering. I would rather have 200 people in Washington create self paced internet programs that students take at home and get rewards when they complete. Vouchers so that people can better afford private schools, like the Catholic HS that my 3rd son went to after I realized how miserable public schools were.
We have tons of people going to college in Education classes. Not sure what they are learning but they don't seem to be learning how to be effective teachers.
Time to start over. There are, I would hope, Educators with creative ideas.
We Have the Technology.
Some automated processes are good. Teaching being automated is not good.
Yes teachers stand in front of 30 kids and talk. They also teach them and try to get them to learn. They can't do it alone. There needs to be reinforcement at the home. A lot of that is missing because parents now a days want to have 2 3 and 4 second childhoods.
Technology cost money. You are already slamming the education process for how they spend money. Now you want them to spend more? Kinda backasswards ya think?
We aren't wasting money on teachers. We are wasting it on the children. Those punks that no child left behind decides want to learn but reality could care less.
Internet programs students at home can learn? Kid turn on the computer to the class room. Kid start surfing porn in another window. Good one.
Vouchers.. I can agree with.
They are learn how to instruct student the way politicians with no knowledge of how to teach effectively decide. Teachers are hampered by unions and the politicians. You got to start there man.
Why oh why do you think private schools are better. Do you think they magically hire better teachers? No. It is because they don't have the politics in it that public schools have. A...
Some automated processes are good. Teaching being automated is not good.
Yes teachers stand in front of 30 kids and talk. They also teach them and try to get them to learn. They can't do it alone. There needs to be reinforcement at the home. A lot of that is missing because parents now a days want to have 2 3 and 4 second childhoods.
Technology cost money. You are already slamming the education process for how they spend money. Now you want them to spend more? Kinda backasswards ya think?
We aren't wasting money on teachers. We are wasting it on the children. Those punks that no child left behind decides want to learn but reality could care less.
Internet programs students at home can learn? Kid turn on the computer to the class room. Kid start surfing porn in another window. Good one.
Vouchers.. I can agree with.
They are learn how to instruct student the way politicians with no knowledge of how to teach effectively decide. Teachers are hampered by unions and the politicians. You got to start there man.
Why oh why do you think private schools are better. Do you think they magically hire better teachers? No. It is because they don't have the politics in it that public schools have. Also they can pick and choose who they have. That must be nice "to pad the books" that way. Public school system cannot.
I agree though... Education needs an overhaul. It doesn't start with the teachers though. It starts with the parents and the politicians.
We spent $941Billion on education last year and that figure probably doesn't include unfunded pension promises. Lot of money. What is it now, $14K per student per year or so. Would buy a lot of technology that is currently going to perhaps overpaid teachers, administrators, and bureaucrats..
http://www.usgovernmentspendi...
Medicine has been largely improved by technology. Not just in treatment but in the role of the doctors. Lower paid teachers aides, specialists, counselors, etc, may help. Bigger classes for some stuff, smaller for others.
I admit that I tend to lump school administrators in with teachers and frankly don't understand where administrators come from but they don't seem to be improving things. Are administrators unionized?
Private schools are better because they generally don't have union rules and political rules. My son took 4 years of religious studies, required. I am an agnostics...
We spent $941Billion on education last year and that figure probably doesn't include unfunded pension promises. Lot of money. What is it now, $14K per student per year or so. Would buy a lot of technology that is currently going to perhaps overpaid teachers, administrators, and bureaucrats..
http://www.usgovernmentspendi...
Medicine has been largely improved by technology. Not just in treatment but in the role of the doctors. Lower paid teachers aides, specialists, counselors, etc, may help. Bigger classes for some stuff, smaller for others.
I admit that I tend to lump school administrators in with teachers and frankly don't understand where administrators come from but they don't seem to be improving things. Are administrators unionized?
Private schools are better because they generally don't have union rules and political rules. My son took 4 years of religious studies, required. I am an agnostics but maybe there was something good there. Can public school teach values (except for either slanted conservative or liberal biases)?
Yes, private schools can pick and choose. OK, how many "bad" students are there in public schools. My guess would be that a majority of kids probably would do better in school if they weren't dragged down by the bad kids. Does primary school failures cause secondary school "bad" students? And you already said you support vouchers to help use those private schools.
I don't mean to blame the teachers that are good. But it is frustrating to just hear why proposals don't work and negativity. We have a problem. And it is just meaningless and unhelpful to blame parents. Society has an obligation to help children get an education and needs to figure out how to deal with the reality of bad parents. We can't just throw up our hands and say "Unsolvable". In my perfect imaginary world teachers and school administrators would come up with solutions for getting around bad parents and politicians and improve education. They are the ones who are supposed to know how to do it.
And, no, I don't have a boss and would not work for one who hovered. And would quit before joining a union that impeded in progress for the common good.
Do you realize where most of the money comes from for education on the personal level? It comes from property taxes. Generally this is at the state level. The fed then kicks in cash as it sees fit. I don't know how much you trust the fed. My trust in them blew away just now when there was a trickle of air.
Technology is wonderful. Although we don't want technology to get away with learning. It is wonderful you can punch some numbers into a calculator and it spits out an answer.
There are good teachers and there are bad teachers. Our country is broke by 16 trillion dollars. Yet we squabble over the education of our children. WE give our kids a pass at everything they do. Why because some politician decided people were no longer to be held responsible for their actions or inactions. People live off the system. If you are dumb.. that is okay will make sure no one ever says you are dumb. Let's face it we are not all robot. I am different than you and you are different than the next people. I like it that way. a Why does the government hav...
Do you realize where most of the money comes from for education on the personal level? It comes from property taxes. Generally this is at the state level. The fed then kicks in cash as it sees fit. I don't know how much you trust the fed. My trust in them blew away just now when there was a trickle of air.
Technology is wonderful. Although we don't want technology to get away with learning. It is wonderful you can punch some numbers into a calculator and it spits out an answer.
There are good teachers and there are bad teachers. Our country is broke by 16 trillion dollars. Yet we squabble over the education of our children. WE give our kids a pass at everything they do. Why because some politician decided people were no longer to be held responsible for their actions or inactions. People live off the system. If you are dumb.. that is okay will make sure no one ever says you are dumb. Let's face it we are not all robot. I am different than you and you are different than the next people. I like it that way. a Why does the government have to say we are all the same? Screw that.
If you saw some of the parent I have seen. You would understand why the kids are they way they are and helpless. Heck government agencies guide parents so they know what to do to "beat the system". Ex: parent was supposed to come in for a parent teacher meeting. She never showed.. dad is in jail, but the kid doesn't know if it really is his father. Kid doesn't really care. Call the mom.. Oh I am sorry I got caught up in something else and couldn't make it. (This is an after school meeting) If this was my client... bam 200 extra dollar charge on him for cancelling. Next day she doesn't show. Now what happens? you got it a home meeting. Now when you go to a home meeting 2 people.... Oh wait (you figured this out) Now we have 2 teachers that have to be away from their job because 1 parent decided to skip out of a meeting that was after school. (Well it is just a teacher they get paid too much so they can afford to stay after school a bit) Now 2 teachers show up and knock on the door. There isn't a doorbell. A women's voice yells from the inside please come in it is open.
You walk in and the woman is on the couch with a blanket strewn across her. Big mamma is an understatement here. This is around 11 am. She said please excuse but i can;t get up and I don;t have any clothes on under neath the blanket. That is one example. I got tons. How about little Johnny that didn't turn in his homework. His excuse? nah the dog didn't eat it. He was out playing pool until 2:30 in the morning (yes on a school night) because his parents wanted to go to the bar.
I got a thousand more.
You may think I am a school teacher. No I am not. I am married to one though. Before you say "well that explains it" I have spent a good part of this week sleeping on the couch.
I believe in helping people that want to help themselves. If you are lazy and don't want to be productive? Jump off a cliff in my mind.
Sorry for the rant. this just pisses me off sometimes.
We had change once in 2008-2009. See where it got us?
You know the guy who promised "hope and change".
Do you want to change the system or not?
Hence all politicians.
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"The legislation was proposed by President George W. Bush on January 23, 2001. It was coauthored by Representatives John Boehner (R-OH), George Miller (D-CA), and Senators Edward Kennedy (D-MA) and Judd Gregg (R-NH). The United States House of Representatives passed the bill on May 23, 2001 (voting 384–45),[6] and the United States Senate passed it on June 14, 2001 (voting 91–8).[7] President Bush signed it into law on January 8, 2002."
All politicians.
If have an issue with politicians that should not be elected and do what they do. It is our own fault. We elect them in.
Term limits in the House and Senate. No politician shoudl be a career one.