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Is someone that wants to cut social security and end medicare as Paul Ryan does, someone the voters want as Vice President?

Mopeder ~ Proud American 2012/08/11 15:01:50
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  • BackWoodsMike 2012/08/11 20:45:17
    Yes
    BackWoodsMike
    +22
    Anyone with basic math skills, and who have even a small amount of common sense knows full well that Social Security Insurance benefits are shrinking quickly, and that the program is unsustainable..

    Not only was set up to be just a “supplement” to a persons retirement savings and investment returns, “premiums” and the return on the premium investments of the Social Security insurance program were promised to be set in a separate trust, not to be touched for anything else but the premiums paid to the seniors that contributed to the program.

    We all know this was a broken promise..

    Some facts:
    - - -
    “Some people are shocked at the relatively low amount of their monthly benefit, but Social Security was not intended to be retirees' sole means of support, said Crystal Bass, the agency's public affairs specialist.

    "It was intended to supplement 42 percent of your retirement needs. It was never intended for you to live off," Bass said. "We hope you have some additional income."

    About 53 million people were drawing some Social Security benefit in 2010. In 1950 there were five workers for every beneficiary; there were three in 2008. By 2030, there will be two workers for one beneficiary and 70 million people over 65, Bass said.

    Historically, there have been 11 years when Social...


















    Anyone with basic math skills, and who have even a small amount of common sense knows full well that Social Security Insurance benefits are shrinking quickly, and that the program is unsustainable..

    Not only was set up to be just a “supplement” to a persons retirement savings and investment returns, “premiums” and the return on the premium investments of the Social Security insurance program were promised to be set in a separate trust, not to be touched for anything else but the premiums paid to the seniors that contributed to the program.

    We all know this was a broken promise..

    Some facts:
    - - -
    “Some people are shocked at the relatively low amount of their monthly benefit, but Social Security was not intended to be retirees' sole means of support, said Crystal Bass, the agency's public affairs specialist.

    "It was intended to supplement 42 percent of your retirement needs. It was never intended for you to live off," Bass said. "We hope you have some additional income."

    About 53 million people were drawing some Social Security benefit in 2010. In 1950 there were five workers for every beneficiary; there were three in 2008. By 2030, there will be two workers for one beneficiary and 70 million people over 65, Bass said.

    Historically, there have been 11 years when Social Security paid out more in benefits than the program collected in taxes. By 2017, the program will begin to pay more in benefits than it collects, and when the funds are exhausted in 2037, only about 75 percent of benefits will be paid, Bass said.”

    http://www.aarp.org/work/soci...
    - - -
    “Social Security, instituted in 1935, has provided tens of millions of Americans with income for retirement. Currently, more money is collected in Social Security taxes from workers than is paid out to retirees. But that ratio is reversing as “baby boomers” start to retire and the workforce shrinks due to the recession. Options to close the gap include more borrowing, higher taxes or reduced benefits.”

    http://www.brookings.edu/rese...
    - - -

    The Crass Distortion of Paul Ryan’s Social Security Proposals

    “Under current law, Social Security faces a significant gap between scheduled benefits and projected revenues. That gap can be seen on the graph below.”

    security faces significant gap scheduled benefits projected revenues gap graph

    CONTINUED:
    http://economics21.org/commen...
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    I think the question should be.. Why do liberals hate the future generation of Americans (including their Children, Grandchildren and so on) so much that they insist on an obviously flawed program to fail, rather than come up with a solution like the Ryan plan which will not only save Social Security, but give Americans a choice in how they wish to invest in their own retirement..
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  • mich52 historian 2012/08/12 13:52:34
    mich52
    +1
    Since 2003 nothing beneficial, Bush created a paltry 8 million jobs and lost just as many with the recession.
  • historian mich52 2012/08/12 16:32:19
    historian
    +1
    Correction noted. Bush was too busy saying illegals only wanted jobs Americans wouldn't do and there should be a "house in every pot", while Americans like myself were working their butts off alongside those illegals, in the same jobs for scraps but didn't go out and get a house they couldn't pay for.
  • mich52 historian 2012/08/12 17:52:57
    mich52
    +1
    Very true and now they want to give more tax cuts to the wealthy on the backs of everyone else... Total BS..

    You might find this link interesting...
    http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=v...
  • dave s historian 2012/08/17 00:23:34
    dave  s
    those evil corporations are holding onto money because there is not long term tax plan in place. companies don't run on a day-to-day basis. they have to plan 5 and 10 years out
  • historian dave s 2012/08/17 00:26:04
    historian
    Those companies are doing whatever maximizes shareholder profits. I know some people think businesses really care about the customer and want to provide jobs, but the truth from the inside is, increased profit on the sheets no matter what. Job creation is a side-effect of growth, if it will increase profit along the way, not just because they want to employ people.
  • dave s historian 2012/08/17 00:32:23
    dave  s
    of course they are doing what maximizes shareholder profit (that is, if the company is publicly traded) that is a condition of the contract they have with shareholders. and you are dead wrong if you think companies don't care about the employees or the customer. if they didn't care about the customer, they would make whatever the company wanted to make, without input from the customer. the company who can provide the customer with what they want or need, at a price point and level of quality that the customer agrees with, will win every time. that is how a capitalistic society works
  • historian dave s 2012/08/17 00:46:01
    historian
    "...you are dead wrong if you think companies don't care about the employees or the customer. if they didn't care about the customer.." Yes there are still companies that care, but my experience working for several different companies is profit first. They train the employees on how to communicate with customers in order to defuse complaints and basically mesmerize them with words. It's all about profit, at the expense of the workers and quality of product if necessary.
  • dave s historian 2012/08/17 16:15:55
    dave  s
    please take some basic courses in economics and business. the assertions you are putting forth do not support any successful business model that I know of. the only businesses that can get away with not satisfying customers are those majorly or wholly supported by government.

    you give it away and make it obvious that you have some sort of personal vendetta against a particular company or business in general, by the words that you use.
  • historian dave s 2012/08/17 17:18:20
    historian
    "please take some basic courses in economics and business. the assertions you are putting forth do not support any successful business model that I know of. the only businesses that can get away with not satisfying customers are those majorly or wholly supported by government."-Some people base their words on reality, and you clearly have no interest in that.

    "you give it away and make it obvious that you have some sort of personal vendetta against a particular company or business in general, by the words that you use."- I'm basing my words on what I have personally witnessed, in several different companies across different areas of business.

    You seem defensive for some reason. Is there a reason for that?
  • dave s historian 2012/08/19 17:05:12
    dave  s
    I am not defensive at all, but rather, insisting that most companies out there do care about employees and who realize that they have to produce a quality good or service, because if they don't, then they will not remain in business. the mere fact that you have had a bad experience or two should not be applied broadly to the majority of companies. I too have had my own share of bad experiences and when a company doesn't treat me well, I do what the market allows me to do: take my business elsewhere
  • mich52 dave s 2012/08/12 13:51:23 (edited)
    mich52
    Sure do, our deficit rises and nothing else and spare me the BS that our deficit doesn't increase with tax cuts because it does.
  • dave s mich52 2012/08/17 00:25:43
    dave  s
    such a shallow thinker. when taxes are cut, revenue to the feds increases because the tax base is increased. when revenues go up, the deficit goes down (that is, is the stupid politicians use it to pay down the debt rather than increase spending) it has happened for every tax cut including, yes, the "bush" tax cuts.
  • Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody 2012/08/11 15:17:52
    Other opinion
    Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody
    +7
    Reforming, reorganizing SS and making sure that more than .29 cets per dollar actually make it to the people who paid in is not cutting.
  • lm1b2 2012/08/11 15:15:47
    No
    lm1b2
    +9
    Romney just dug his own political grave..
  • Keeping It Real 2012/08/11 15:12:43 (edited)
    Other opinion
    Keeping It Real
    +7
    Paul Ryan don't give a rats @$$ about the middle class or the least of these. He was one of the main obstructionist as it relates to the deal the forever crying Boehner worked out with the administration.
  • BloodlessVeins 2012/08/11 15:11:43
    No
    BloodlessVeins
    +7
    I don't want to have to worry about my Grandma. She's strongly independent, but without the SS she won't do well.
  • schjaz Bloodle... 2012/08/11 16:14:44
    schjaz
    +5
    the Ryan plan does not do anything to seniors that are now on SS so don't worry. his plan would take effect for those that about 40 years old and younger right now. there is time for them to plan for the future. the way things are going right now, by the time those ppl reach 65 years old, there will be no more money left. something has to be done now for the future. Ryan's plan needs to be tweaked a bit but its better than the path we are now on.
  • Bloodle... schjaz 2012/08/11 16:42:42
    BloodlessVeins
    +3
    That is probably true. Thank you for the calm display of information. Its very helpful.
  • schjaz Bloodle... 2012/08/11 20:24:19
    schjaz
    +1
    you are welcome. beautiful heart
  • dave s Bloodle... 2012/08/11 17:20:41 (edited)
    dave  s
    +6
    ryan does not want to kick your g'ma to the curb. he wants to ensure that you and all the other g'mas to be will actually have savings to help them make it through their golden years, rather than having a bankrupt federal govt.
  • zbacku 2012/08/11 15:10:10
    Other opinion
    zbacku
    +8
    This is why you guys are scared. Ryan tears apart Obamacare.
  • Mopeder... zbacku 2012/08/11 15:44:58
    Mopeder ~ Proud American
    +5
    He is nothing but a jerk, the type that is so prevalent within the Tea Party.
  • mrk5panzer Mopeder... 2012/08/11 15:55:23
    mrk5panzer
    +6
    OOOOH he is a 100 times better than Biden and Obama knows that. His boys are already attacking Ryan as we speak and the loonys are doing their war dance.
  • schjaz mrk5panzer 2012/08/11 16:16:50
    schjaz
    +5
    namecalling and insults...like the path we are on is sustainable and the Dems have any answers. good grief. but they can snit and twist and criticize and raise the debt ceiling....just keep spending until we look like Greece. wow....if they only had a brain.
  • dave s Mopeder... 2012/08/11 17:21:45
    dave  s
    +4
    watch out there, your bigotry is showing
  • RG Mopeder... 2012/08/11 21:54:28
    RG
    +2
    Pitiful, no budget after nearly 4 years and spend trillions we don't have. NOW THAT IS INSANITY, by any definition of the word.
  • zbacku Mopeder... 2012/08/12 03:34:38
    zbacku
    +2
    Thank you, I couldn't go to sleep without knowing all you have is just more name calling of those that disagree with you.
  • Mopeder ~ Proud American 2012/08/11 15:09:48
    No
    Mopeder ~ Proud American
    +6
    I don't think so. It would take a stupid, uncaring person to vote for someone that wants to ruin the lives of the poor and middle-class. Romney and Ryan are two peas in a pod.

    Romney Hood
  • mrk5panzer Mopeder... 2012/08/11 15:59:10
    mrk5panzer
    +8
    It takes even someone more dumb to fall for Obama's BS again. He is destroying this country no matter what class you are. Obama morons
  • dave s Mopeder... 2012/08/11 17:22:37
    dave  s
    +5
    and just how is the middle class faring under your man obama???
  • RG Mopeder... 2012/08/11 21:56:38
    RG
    +2
    Well, Mopedhood, keep printing your paper money. That's about all it's worth. Spend money to get out of debt. Insanity, for sure!
  • **StarzAbove** 2012/08/11 15:03:27
    Yes
    **StarzAbove**
    +9
    Once the American people realize what this guy plans to do with their Medicare, SS and Medicaid, game will be over. Romney loses big time.
  • JCD aka... **Starz... 2012/08/11 15:13:08
    JCD aka "biz"
    +6
    People born after 1956 will especially be hard hit by his "Path to Prosperity" plan.
  • dave s **Starz... 2012/08/11 17:23:24
    dave  s
    +4
    bs. you have no idea what you're talking about. stop reading the nyt and listening to npr
  • zbacku **Starz... 2012/08/12 03:38:38
    zbacku
    +2
    Obama has beaten him to the punch. He took out $500 Billion from Medicare to pay for his monstrosity Obamacare. But, I know, that's OK. It's Obama. It's his right as 'messiah'
  • ♥K14 2012/08/11 15:02:56
    Other opinion
    ♥K14
    That depends on the Voter.

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