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Is Right-to-Work: Protecting workers or UNION-Busting??!!

BlueRepublican 2012/06/11 15:51:31
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There are 22 states that have adopted Right to work legislation.Is it about giving workers the liberty and freedom to work without being forced into an undesired association or union? Is it a blatant attack against the middle class and worker's rights as some claim? Is it just a political strategy to defund the other side or is it simply a matter of giving people more choices?

Are Right-to-work promoters trying to bust up the unions, destroy the middle class and hurt workers? Should workers really be forced to join a union in some places just to be able to WORK?

Like it or not, right-to-work is catching on and gaining more and more national attention. Let me know what you think.

Is Right-to-Work: Protecting workers or UNION-Busting??!!

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  • JoeM~PWCM~JLA 2012/06/11 16:10:41
    Protecting Workers-RTW
    JoeM~PWCM~JLA
    +29
    Jobs will be created where the least problems are presented to the job creators.

    If unions are so great, why has most of Boeing's jobs left the Seattle area?
    If unions are so great, why does Detroit look like a ghost town?

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  • EdVenture Beccy 2012/08/27 00:38:54
    EdVenture
    +1
    hE MAY HAVE BEEN RIGHT AT THE TIME ESPECIALLY BEING A SCHOOL OF 46ERS. But the exploits of the American corporations have now brought us to a significant dependency by a refusal to use the power to tariff in an effort to level the playing field for Americans. Sad.
  • Beccy EdVenture 2012/08/27 00:50:25
    Beccy
    +1
    We can't live off 35 cents per day
  • EdVenture Beccy 2012/08/27 01:18:15
    EdVenture
    +1
    Sorry for the caps
  • Beccy EdVenture 2012/08/27 02:05:53
    Beccy
    +1
    no problem
  • EdVenture Beccy 2012/06/12 16:45:46
    EdVenture
    +2
    The GOP and Special Interests have used the Public Sector unions and selfish greed to divide people and cancel their contractural obligations while paving the way to go after all workers union or not. Unions are a representaive voice of the workforce not an evil third party.
  • Beccy EdVenture 2012/08/27 00:07:27
    Beccy
    +1
    People will be sorry when they are gone. And the truth of the matter is many want unions.
  • EdVenture Beccy 2012/08/27 00:42:06
    EdVenture
    +1
    Its a greedy little excuse for them thinking they might pay less taxes if the unions are gone. The GOP divided public servants police, municipal, teachers etc from the remaining segment as if they were the problem and it worked. Very disheartening for me. I'm not a union member. regards
  • EdVenture Beccy 2012/06/12 01:43:40
    EdVenture
    +1
    Well said, thanks beccy
  • dave s Beccy 2012/06/12 02:50:54
    dave  s
    +3
    unions are what stand in the way of sweat shops?? really?

    unions, once upon a time, had a purpose and a place in this country, but that was long ago. there are many laws on the books now that unions helped place there, that much is true. But unions for the most part have become too political for their own good and for everyone else as well. and unions have abused their power, and continue to do so due to their political strength. davis/bacon is one such example.
  • Lady Wh... Beccy 2012/06/12 12:52:08
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    "But Unions are what stands in the way of sweat shops like they have in China..."

    B I N G O !!!
  • Manwé 2012/06/12 00:35:06
    Undecided
    Manwé
    +2
    RTW does weaken collective bargaining since there are some workers who get the benefit of the bargaining without having to financially participate and without full participation the employer can reduce what they will offer.
  • Avenged7 2012/06/11 23:59:50
    Union-BUSTING!!!
    Avenged7
    +6
    The correct label is right to work for less. The right to work states all have lower wages than states that don't have right to work for less. Of course that is the reason. higher profits for the company, and less for the workers who make those high profits.
  • dave s Avenged7 2012/06/12 02:55:36
    dave  s
    +2
    isn't unemployment in rtw states lower than union states?

    of course union states will have higher wages for workers who are unionized. anytime a business is forced to pay union wages and not shop for competitive pricing the rate will be higher.
  • mountai... dave s 2012/06/12 07:31:37
    mountainman
    +2
    Unemployment is just as high in RTW states than it is anywhere else. Don't let the government numbers fool you.
  • EdVenture mountai... 2012/06/13 18:40:14
    EdVenture
    +1
    probably higher in reality
  • Avenged7 dave s 2012/06/12 23:13:10 (edited)
    Avenged7
    +2
    I doubt the unemployment is much different in the union states and right to work for less states. There is host of different reasons for unemployment.

    That's the whole reason for unions is to forge an agreement for better wages, and benefits. That is why union states have better wages then the RTWFL states. But you use the word forced, that is just right wing talking points, so please lets have an intelligent debate here and not parrot right wing propaganda. No one has a gun to the head of corporate managment to get better wages. It comes down to comprimises, on both sides.
  • dave s Avenged7 2012/06/25 01:27:07
    dave  s
    union states may have a higher per hour rate, but when the dues paying members are only working 1300 hours per year, it kind of evens out, doesn't it?

    and there are numerous instances in which a worker who does not want to belong to a union is forced to pay union dues. yes, forced. in wisconsin, walker removed the requirement for workers to have union dues automatically taken from their paychecks and you know what happened?? some unions have lost over 40% of their "members". obviously they did not want to belong to a union and only paid the dues because the law said they had to. now that the law says they don't have to, they have opted out of the unions.
  • Avenged7 dave s 2012/06/25 21:15:28
    Avenged7
    These workers who don't want to belong to a union always want the benefits and wages that the union get. In other words they want all the goodies, but don't want to pay for them. It's the same as right wingers who don't want to pay taxes but always complain when they are not getting government service to their liking!!

    Dues paying members only work 1300 hours a year???? I know of no union members that work less then they are suppose to. I think you are gulping down right wing propaganda!!!!!!!!!
  • mountai... Avenged7 2012/06/12 07:30:28
    mountainman
    +1
    And the employees have absolutely no insulation from the managers of the places of work. I have seen it happen because I live in a "Right to work" state. I interviewed for a job one time and one of the supervisors kept telling me "this is a right to work state...you know we don't need any reason to fire you if we want to." Finally, I looked at him and said, "Listen, you have told me 3 times now about this right to work thing. What do you want to do about it? You are either going to hire me or not. Otherwise, shut up and lets move on." Needless to say, I was pretty pissed at him. I was hired to work for that company, and was fired 3 years later. LOL
  • Avenged7 mountai... 2012/06/12 23:22:44
    Avenged7
    +2
    Yeah your right, you don't have any security with your job in right to work for less states. What I don't get with these kind of companies, is that they wont get the loyalty from their workers, and they have a high turn over, which cost them more for training. Wouldn't they be better off to pay and treat their employees better, and the employees, then will work their asses off because of that??????????
  • mountai... Avenged7 2012/06/13 15:10:06
    mountainman
    Now I just work my ass off because I need to keep my job. We aren't really bustin at the seams as far as other opportunities here in this State. LOL
  • EdVenture mountai... 2012/06/13 18:47:12
    EdVenture
    Its not much diff for union workers, the abuses in large workforce companies can be devestating at a lot of levels this and now putting public opinion in their face and personal circumstances is not healthy for anyone. We're all in the same boat and should'nt be fighting among ourselves.
  • Lady Wh... Avenged7 2012/06/12 12:53:21
    Lady Whitewolf
    EXACTLY
  • DebraJMSmith 2012/06/11 23:44:49
    Protecting Workers-RTW
    DebraJMSmith
    +5
    No one should be forced to join a union.
  • EdVenture DebraJM... 2012/06/13 18:47:32
    EdVenture
    Nobody is.
  • DebraJM... EdVenture 2012/06/14 05:33:40
    DebraJMSmith
    lol...
  • David Lindner 2012/06/11 23:34:53
    Union-BUSTING!!!
    David Lindner
    get rid of the communist unions!
  • EdVenture David L... 2012/06/13 18:51:00
    EdVenture
    Thats like saying get rid of the workforce (people) the teachers, police, fire, truckers, contractors, shippers, auto workers .......By the way the communists are gone. I would expect a 23 year old to have more gray matter.
  • David L... EdVenture 2012/06/13 18:53:43
    David Lindner
    well then you must not know me.

    just because the USSR collapsed, doesnt mean communism magically died, in your fairy tale world.

    your first sentence admitted to communism.

    having a too large of a public work force isnt a good thing.

    I think you need to expand your thoughts more, instead of making baseless accusations about "a 23 year old not having GREY MATTER.
  • EdVenture David L... 2012/06/13 19:02:54
    EdVenture
    Exactly what is your objection to unions, and how have they affected you? And mgmt has the right to lay of personel if necessary in all union contracts.
  • David L... EdVenture 2012/06/13 19:07:05
    David Lindner
    Unions can hurt the economy in a few ways. One is by unnessecarily locking up a company with strikes. Another is by requesting pay increases that could hurt their company, driving down profits. One could say that unions' entire purpose runs counter to business success, after all, they exist to prevent companies from reaping massive profits by exploiting workers as they did in the era of the robber barons

    Unions hurt the economy by not ever wanting to take a pay cut or give up benefits. There are some good reasons to have unions, but unions have hurt the economy tremendously. They are still able to be paid the same amount no matter how much work is finished. It is hard to have any negotiations to save jobs for other non union workers also.
  • EdVenture David L... 2012/06/13 21:12:57
    EdVenture
    Hi David, IMO, give some consideration to my comments they're not intended to insult you but rather assist you in the reality of what you have said.
    You speak of unions as a tangible entity as if it is a single entity charged with destroying business. Nothing could be further from the truth. To begin with the Union is a union of employees, that is to say, the voice of the employees engaged in a common, or similar work related endeavor. When a company has a union represented workforce it was by vote of the employees to to have union representation, usually because of excessive abuses or unsafe work conditions that the company failed to address for extended periods of time if at all. No court in this country would allow a union to lock up a company and allow a strike without establishing a ligitimate basis for that action. This by the way, is always conducted in a legal venue. Substitute unions for workers in your comment, and think of yourself as a worker, if i understand your comments correctly. They do not want to prevent excessive profits, they would like to participate and be compensated in some way for creating those profits and success. Unions (workers) need their jobs and pay and usually can't afford to strike and the more successful the company is the more secure and bet...
    Hi David, IMO, give some consideration to my comments they're not intended to insult you but rather assist you in the reality of what you have said.
    You speak of unions as a tangible entity as if it is a single entity charged with destroying business. Nothing could be further from the truth. To begin with the Union is a union of employees, that is to say, the voice of the employees engaged in a common, or similar work related endeavor. When a company has a union represented workforce it was by vote of the employees to to have union representation, usually because of excessive abuses or unsafe work conditions that the company failed to address for extended periods of time if at all. No court in this country would allow a union to lock up a company and allow a strike without establishing a ligitimate basis for that action. This by the way, is always conducted in a legal venue. Substitute unions for workers in your comment, and think of yourself as a worker, if i understand your comments correctly. They do not want to prevent excessive profits, they would like to participate and be compensated in some way for creating those profits and success. Unions (workers) need their jobs and pay and usually can't afford to strike and the more successful the company is the more secure and better they do financially. Keep in mind most of these positions are careers for people that have chosen the path they they are on for whatever their reason may be. The Robber Barons are alive and well which is evidenced by our current economic debarcle. For the past 15 years the union members (workers), have been taking cuts and making consession for years, including unpaid hoilidays, and vacation time, flex time etc., on the promise that they would be treated better in the next contract and everyone has to make sacrifices. What is happening is they now want to cut pay, hours and at the same time cut benefits this, while profits and bonuses are through the roof at the top. You don't hear the companies the profits achieved by tax breaks alone essentially with tax rate averaging 12% after deductions. Unions (workers),don't hurt the economy the corporations do. Workers create the economy by spending, consumption and investing, where do you think the money comes from?. It should be apparent if you research what failed and why, bringing this nation to its knees. This nation isn't here to support the corporations interests above the citizens is the peoples nation and we're loosing it. Regards hope i could shed some light so that you might consider my perspective.
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  • David L... EdVenture 2012/06/13 21:48:03
    David Lindner
    overgrown unions are bad, but unions are and were always a good thing. thats my honest standpoint on it.
  • EdVenture David L... 2012/06/14 01:26:11
    EdVenture
    Unions account for 12-13% of the workforce.
  • David L... EdVenture 2012/06/14 01:39:00
    David Lindner
    give me statistics.

    I know unions are killing production and hurting production quality, and guaranteeing unions work is cutting the amount of time they can choose to work.

    Ive been in one when I was 18 :)
  • lee 2012/06/11 23:06:01
    Union-BUSTING!!!
    lee
    +6
    which drives down labor costs for corporations who pay republicans to pass this kind of legislation
  • dave s lee 2012/06/12 02:55:51
    dave  s
    LOL

    you're always funny
  • lee dave s 2012/06/12 20:53:21
    lee
    +1
    the middle class is not laughing.
  • EliteAmongOutcasts 2012/06/11 23:05:29
  • EdVenture EliteAm... 2012/06/13 18:53:11
    EdVenture
    They won' let me be a brain surgeon, why should i have to get a license.

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