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Is Right-to-Work: Protecting workers or UNION-Busting??!!

BlueRepublican 2012/06/11 15:51:31
Protecting Workers-RTW
Union-BUSTING!!!
None of the Above...Keep TAX REFORM ALIVE!!!
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There are 22 states that have adopted Right to work legislation.Is it about giving workers the liberty and freedom to work without being forced into an undesired association or union? Is it a blatant attack against the middle class and worker's rights as some claim? Is it just a political strategy to defund the other side or is it simply a matter of giving people more choices?

Are Right-to-work promoters trying to bust up the unions, destroy the middle class and hurt workers? Should workers really be forced to join a union in some places just to be able to WORK?

Like it or not, right-to-work is catching on and gaining more and more national attention. Let me know what you think.

Is Right-to-Work: Protecting workers or UNION-Busting??!!

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  • JoeM 2012/06/11 16:10:41
    Protecting Workers-RTW
    JoeM
    +29
    Jobs will be created where the least problems are presented to the job creators.

    If unions are so great, why has most of Boeing's jobs left the Seattle area?
    If unions are so great, why does Detroit look like a ghost town?

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  • JP justfred 2012/06/13 03:06:30
    JP
    When I was in construction I made more than the union guys doing the same work.
  • justfred JP 2012/06/13 12:10:06
    justfred
    Tell that to someone who actually might believe it....you know, another brain dead con.
  • JP justfred 2012/06/13 13:08:15
    JP
    My partner and I did quite well roofing and we only had to pay ourselves. We did churches and barns, jobs that paid well enough we could buy our help their own insurance policy (then they were legit subcontractors) and we could get around the red tape and all make good money.

    What is brain dead about that?
  • justfred JP 2012/06/13 21:05:36
    justfred
    So, then....you worked for yourself. With whom did you negotiate?
  • JP justfred 2012/06/14 17:20:48
    JP
    I worked for myself when I had the work...I negotiated with other contractors when they needed the help and we needed the work.
  • DJPanicDC 2012/06/11 21:29:02
    Union-BUSTING!!!
    DJPanicDC
    +1
    They could say it was protecting workers if all it meant was you could choose not too join, which I think is cool, but the way it is set up it is union busting

    They force the union to represent people rather they join or not (I know a few shop stewards in VA and they all say the non members have more issues than anyone)
    The way I see it it is your right to decide you'd rather bargain on your own, and your righ not to pay dues or join but then why do the unions still have to treat you like a dues paying member? What happens is there is no funds because of the free members, and we are not able to show the benefits because everyone gets them, I think if everyone saw collective bargaining averaged 30% more in wages and3 more days off they would join
    So Busted

    "Like it or not, right-to-work is catching on "

    One of many reasons I will never move out of DC
  • Mark 2012/06/11 21:28:45
    Undecided
    Mark
    The more you protect jobs and increase red tape to employ, keep and maybe even sack people, the harder it is to create jobs.
  • Jeff Smith 2012/06/11 21:28:18
    Protecting Workers-RTW
    Jeff Smith
    +5
    Wow Colorado used to be a right to work state of course that was when our state government was mostly Republican run now it's run by the Democrats. Makes perfect sense Democrats don't know how to work independently. They need that communism type thinking to earn a profit. Some jobs can't be unionized and I got one as a matter of fact I own the business I would never hire anyone from a union. I don't need 5 people to do the work of one.
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/06/11 21:26:14
    Union-BUSTING!!!
    Lady Whitewolf
    +3
    UNION-BUSTING!
  • Birthpangs 2012/06/11 21:24:20
  • gocar 2012/06/11 21:23:38
    Union-BUSTING!!!
    gocar
    +2
    States lured companies to their state with tax breaks and the promise of never having to deal with a labor union. They would have free reign to pay whatever they liked and there would be no worker protection. Benefits would be whatever the company wanted to give which for unskilled labor was usually none. Many of the companies in RTW states did not even do the hiring. They oursourced the employment office to a temporary so that they had no responsibility for the laborer at all. They could work them more or less hours with no complaints. Most of this was done in the South where employment was low paying already and factories did not build there until A/C became common.
  • hisomouth 2012/06/11 21:02:41 (edited)
    Protecting Workers-RTW
    hisomouth
    +2
    I will always remember doing a booklet for a Teachers Rep and if you look at the budget you found out that all the School teachers dues paid her salary.
    She was at work half days 3 days a week. She hired a person to answer the phone out of her pocket and most of the time told them that the person was out of town in DC,
    O she did pay for the book to be done it went like this disc and check exchange at the same time.
  • gregaj7 2012/06/11 20:57:40 (edited)
    Undecided
    gregaj7
    +8
    Both.
    Unions are no longer doing their job and have become political machines unto themselves, which hurts "America" second only to the international bankruptcy of the "United States" in damages.
  • Cliff 2012/06/11 20:57:38
    Protecting Workers-RTW
    Cliff
    +3
    Unions should be about employees, not politicians.
  • Peewee Cliff 2012/06/11 21:14:34
    Peewee
    It should be but sadly has morphed into a political machine. If I was a union member I would not like my dues spent on political donations. I'd rather see that $$ put into pensions instead.
  • Christo... Cliff 2012/06/11 23:51:32
    Christopher Kirchen
    They haven't been for a long time. If they ever get that way again, "The World Will Know".
  • Christopher Kirchen 2012/06/11 20:54:29
    Undecided
    Christopher Kirchen
    +1
    Both and that's fine with me.
  • ☠ Live Free Or Die ☠ 2012/06/11 20:51:14
    Undecided
    ☠ Live Free Or Die ☠
    +9
    I see no reason why a person should be forced to join a union in order to work. I also don't see a reason why workers shouldn't be allowed to unionize.
  • Lady Wh... ☠ Live ... 2012/06/11 21:26:56
    Lady Whitewolf
    +3
    FAIR ENOUGH....
  • Radlad 2012/06/11 20:50:54
    Undecided
    Radlad
    +3
    I'm not undecided RTW is both protecting the people's freedom to work without joining a union which basically leads to union busting. I fail to understand how giving people what they want which is what the leftist socialist liberals claim above all else they are for. That is giving people the "FREEDOM OF CHOICE". Live where they want to live how they want to work without having their salaries taxed (union dues) and able to bid on any jobs and not have being unionized enter into the process...........

    How does RTW destroys the middle class? How does it hurt the employees. It's the unions that are doing that. The unions, liberal democrats, socialist that call the people "workers". Just like the old ussr. Or while observing a colony of ants......
  • Tuna 2012/06/11 20:50:02
    None of the Above...Keep TAX REFORM ALIVE!!!
    Tuna
    +3
    The Unions are a microcosm of our Federal Government, BROKE. All the money goes in one hand and out the other; there are NO retirement funds; the Unions operate day-to-day with a little help from the Democrats. The Federal Government has spent all of the employee benefit funds; that's the largest part of our national debt, not China !! government is broke vote them ALL out
  • Captain Bacon 2012/06/11 20:49:09
    Union-BUSTING!!!
    Captain Bacon
    +6
    The only thing it protects is lower wages.....
    States with RTW earn less than states N-RTW states....

    Wages in right-to-work states are 3.2% lower than those in non-RTW states, after controlling for a full complement of individual demographic and socioeconomic variables as well as state macroeconomic indicators. Using the average wage in non-RTW states as the base ($22.11), the average full-time, full-year worker in an RTW state makes about $1,500 less annually than a similar worker in a non-RTW state.
    The rate of employer-sponsored pensions is 4.8 percentage points lower in RTW states, using the full complement of control variables in our regression model. If workers in non-RTW states were to receive pensions at this lower rate, 3.8 million fewer workers nationally would have pensions.
    This briefing paper provides the most comprehensive study to date of the relationship between RTW status and compensation. Using a full set of explanatory variables, including state-level controls, it is clear that our analysis stands apart as being more rigorous than others of this type.
  • just me Captain... 2012/06/11 20:52:00
    just me
    +1
    Interesting. Please cite reference. Thanks.
  • Captain... just me 2012/06/11 20:57:48
  • JP Captain... 2012/06/11 22:29:10
    JP
    +1
    It's not how much you make, but how much you keep.

    The untold costs that this article so with blatantly ignored are the costs of living in the RTW regions...are they higher, lower or about the same?

    So the article as a small piece of information is handy, but useless unless compiled with much more data!
  • Tuna Captain... 2012/06/11 20:54:43
    Tuna
    +1
    But what one spends in Union dues kinda balances the scales doesn't it? Plus the Unions have spent all of that money on progressive politics; the progressives GIVE the Unions money in return for helping them get elected; there's your Union dues at work, meanwhile the Union is BROKE just like the Government; all the Government employee funds are gone, too.
    government is broke
  • Peewee Captain... 2012/06/11 21:17:18
    Peewee
    +1
    It's either that or union dues...what percent of a wage is union dues? 3.2%?
  • Tuna Peewee 2012/06/11 21:22:46
    Tuna
    +2
    And just like our Social Security money those Union dues are LONG GONE. The dam is about to break.
  • Peewee Tuna 2012/06/12 01:00:20
    Peewee
    +1
    Way back in the day I used to fix typewriters. I went into all kinds of nooks and crannies of every business and some of the State of MI offices. Got to see all kinds of interesting things. Don't let the modest exteriors of those union offices fool you. Their deep interiors are quite plush with well stocked bars. I even got chased out once for having a Reagan bumper sticker on my Chevy. First I laughed and then realized he was serious. So I left their typewriter in bits and pieces all over the poor secretary's desk and walked out.
  • Tuna Peewee 2012/06/12 21:42:47 (edited)
    Tuna
    +1
    Ever seen the Steel Workers Union Tower in Pittsburgh? Only one problem, no steel workers; it all went to China because Unions drove the prices too high. Who's paying for that Tower I wonder?? No steel workers dues, where's the money coming from?
    stel workers tower pittsburgh
  • Peewee Tuna 2012/06/13 01:44:48
    Peewee
    +1
    Um. renters? Haa
  • Tuna Peewee 2012/06/13 16:23:46
    Tuna
    +1
    Um, taxpayers maybe?
  • Peewee Tuna 2012/06/13 17:47:00
    Peewee
    most likely
  • C. C. R... Captain... 2012/06/13 10:37:34
  • Captain... C. C. R... 2012/06/13 21:43:29
    Captain Bacon
    Awwww.... Thank you so much!!!
  • ManBearPig 2012/06/11 20:34:07
    Protecting Workers-RTW
    ManBearPig
    +3
    the right to work concept basically takes over what the unions are suppose to be doing for its members... make sure their workers get safe working conditions... adequate pay... and regardless of who you are you get to work

    the unions now have become just as corrupt as big business and have ruined the workforce in this country
  • mk, Smartass Oracle 2012/06/11 20:33:49
    Protecting Workers-RTW
    mk, Smartass Oracle
    +2
    Freedom from Communists





    union thugs
  • fortycal_sig 2012/06/11 20:30:02
    Protecting Workers-RTW
    fortycal_sig
    +5
    I absolutely have a right to work without being forced to join a union. About time my own state recognized that right.
  • JDLogan 2012/06/11 20:29:30
    Protecting Workers-RTW
    JDLogan
    +7
    Why should anyone be forced to join a group just to get a job? Especially a group shown in recent years to be more interested in their own politcal clout than in "protecting the workers".
  • Joe61 2012/06/11 20:26:49
    Protecting Workers-RTW
    Joe61
    +7
    History has proven that Union Closed Shop policies do nothing to protect workers rights. All they do is fill the pockets of Union Chiefs and in many cases workers looking for work in these companies were closed shop agreements where in place couldn't even get an interview as they did not have a union card....As Unions sucked the financial life blood out of infected companies and many eventually where forced to close down as they became less and less competitive due to high wage demands and usless production bonuses, even when targets where never met. Strikes and walkouts where the order of the day.

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