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Is Progressivism nothing more than closet Fascism

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Conventionally, progressivism is thought of as a left-wing ideology, and fascism a right-wing ideology. But this is more a problem of the simplistic left-right political model than a valid insight. When we look at actual policies or ideology, progressivism and fascism start looking like kissing cousins, if not identical.

What is progressivism? It is an ideology that favors the use of government action - the police power of the State - to promote social values. What these values are have varied with time. In the mid-1800s the thrust was primarily the abolition of slavery and alcohol prohibition. After the emancipation of slaves, temperance was still a major progressive goal, but also ending prostitution, assimilating "papists," passing blue laws, and elite control of education became the major moral concerns that (allegedly) had to be cured through government force.

There were also economic issues relating to industrialization and mass immigration, and the problems resulting from government subsidization of railroads, i.e. the lack of competition out west. Progressives of this era sought to regulate what immigrant children had to learn (good old pietist Protestantism) and how railroads (and later other industries) were permitted to operate.

Progressives were duped into thinking that "trust-busting" regulations were enacted to benefit the workers and the poor. As leftist historian Gabriel Kolko showed in "Railroads and Regulation: 1877-1916," this was not the case at all.

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Fascism is Merely Heretical Communism, Like Liberalism



For years historians have tried to portray Nazism as the polar opposite of Communism. The role of industrialists has been exaggerated while the clear and substantial socialist aspects of Nazism have been ignored or downplayed. Nazism did not destroy the communist Left in Germany; it merely replaced the communists on the Left side of the spectrum in Germany. The fact of the matter is that the working classes (the bloc that typically supported the communists) comprised a substantial part of the Nazis electoral base. German Nazism and Italian Fascism were both populist movements that attracted support from all levels of society. Moreover, the industrial sector came to support Hitler much later than the working masses. Businesses hopped on the band wagon when they saw it was in their best interests.


Like any good leftist, Hitler was a revolutionary and exploited anti-capitalist rhetoric in his rise to power. He despised the bourgeoisie, traditionalists, aristocrats, monarchists, and all believers in the established order. Because he wished to remake German society entirely, he was no conservative! He wrote in Mein Kampf, “Either the German youth will one day create a new State founded on the racial idea or they will be the last witnesses of the complete breakdown and death of the bourgeoisie world.” He rejected traditional Christianity; he wanted to revive Germany’s so-called pre-Christian authenticity, or in other words, to create a modern paganism. He was well read in German mythology and pseudo-history. His idols were Georg Ritter von Schonerer and Dr. Karl Lueger.


He rhetoric mirrored Lenin’s: “Our bourgeoisie is already worthless for any noble human endeavor.” Once he was entrenched in power he clarified his opposition to communism thus: “Had communism really intended nothing more than a certain purification by eliminating isolated rotten elements from among the ranks of our so-called ‘upper ten thousand’ or our equally worthless Philistines, one could have sat back quietly and looked on for awhile.” Hitler didn’t disagree with the German communists in principle or policy, especially with regard to economics; he was enraged at their undermining of Germany with strikes during WW I and antiwar mobilization. He thought they were part of a coalition that had stabbed Germany in the back. Indeed, Hitler often spoke with grudging admiration of Stalin and the communists. Hitler studied Marxism, which both fascinated and repulsed him, appreciating its ideas but becoming utterly convinced that Marx was the architect of some Jewish plot.


Hitler entered the Nazi Party because of a talk given by Gottfried Feder entitled “How and by What Means is Capitalism to be Eliminated?” The party stood for everything he believed in, and thus started his career as the party’s best salesman. The Nazis campaigned as socialists.
What exactly did the party stand for? Its platform included:


“We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.” Sounds like nanny state liberalism.


“Abolition of unearned (work and labor) incomes. Breaking of rent-slavery.” Can you say death tax and rent control?


“We demand the nationalization of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).” That doesn’t sound free market.


“We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries” Hmmm, a “windfall” profits tax?


“We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.” Sounds like FDR’s Social Security, no?


“The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program…. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State….” Sounds like a government monopoly on the schools. Isn’t that what Democrats are for?


“The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.” Hmmm, you think Hitler would have banned trans fats?


“…a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: The good of the state before the good of the individual.” This is what liberals mean when they say “the common good.”


“For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich.” Centralization of power in the national government? Does that sound right-wing to you?


Read the platform for yourself. There is nothing conservative about it.

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  • Pedro Doller ~POTL-PWCM~JLA 2011/07/03 17:20:45
    Yes
    Pedro Doller ~POTL-PWCM~JLA
    +1
    "Is Progressivism nothing more than closet Fascism ?"

    I think it is completely out of the closet.

    Now it's time for 0 to come out of the closet.
  • R7494 Pedro D... 2011/07/19 00:01:41
    R7494
    +1
    Progressivism is a movement of the left-wing. Here is what the Italian Fascist Party's "Doctrine of Fascism" said about fascism's position in the political spectrum: "We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right', a Fascist century." There you have it, the original fascist movement in Italy declared itself a right-wing movement, argument over.
  • American☆Atheist 2011/07/03 00:32:29
    No
    American☆Atheist
    fascism is mostly right-wing
  • Whatsup America... 2011/07/03 00:33:41
    Whatsup
    Actually fascism comes from socialism, which makes it left wing. You really need to learn the issues before posting
  • America... Whatsup 2011/07/03 02:45:02
    American☆Atheist
    it is both but mainly right-wing,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    http://www.gather.com/viewArt...

    it is right-winged with alittle left-wing
  • Whatsup America... 2011/07/03 17:15:13
    Whatsup
    Nope, fascism came from socialism. All left wing
  • America... Whatsup 2011/07/03 17:29:51
    American☆Atheist
    it is both but mainly right wing, just because teabag parties call the left it doesnt mean anything
  • Whatsup America... 2011/07/03 17:51:20
    Whatsup
    Nope, it comes from socialism, it is left wing
  • America... Whatsup 2011/07/03 17:54:07
    American☆Atheist
    Fascism ( /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical, authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2] Fascists advocate the creation of a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through indoctrination, physical education, and family policy including eugenics.[3] Fascists seek to purge forces, ideas, and systems deemed to be the cause of decadence and degeneration and produce their nation's rebirth based on commitment to the national community based on organic unity where individuals are bound together by suprapersonal connections of ancestry, culture, and blood.[4] Fascists believe that a nation requires strong leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.[5] Fascist governments forbid and suppress opposition to the state.[6]
    Fascists promote violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.[7] Fascists view conflict as a fact of life that is responsible for all human progress.[8] Fascists exalt militarism as providing positive transformation in society, in providing spiritual renovation, education, instilling of a will to dominate in people's character, and creating national comradeship through military service.[9]
    Fascism is anti-ana...
    Fascism ( /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical, authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2] Fascists advocate the creation of a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through indoctrination, physical education, and family policy including eugenics.[3] Fascists seek to purge forces, ideas, and systems deemed to be the cause of decadence and degeneration and produce their nation's rebirth based on commitment to the national community based on organic unity where individuals are bound together by suprapersonal connections of ancestry, culture, and blood.[4] Fascists believe that a nation requires strong leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.[5] Fascist governments forbid and suppress opposition to the state.[6]
    Fascists promote violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.[7] Fascists view conflict as a fact of life that is responsible for all human progress.[8] Fascists exalt militarism as providing positive transformation in society, in providing spiritual renovation, education, instilling of a will to dominate in people's character, and creating national comradeship through military service.[9]
    Fascism is anti-anarchist, anti-communist, anti-conservative, anti-democratic, anti-individualist, anti-liberal, anti-parliamentary, anti-bourgeois, and anti-proletarian.[10] It entails a distinctive type of anti-capitalism and is typically, with a few exceptions, anti-clerical.[11][12] Fascism rejects the concepts of egalitarianism, materialism, and rationalism in favour of action, discipline, hierarchy, spirit, and will.[13] In economics, fascists oppose liberalism (as a bourgeois movement) and Marxism (as a proletarian movement) for being exclusive economic class-based movements.[14] Fascists present their ideology as that of an economically trans-class movement that promotes resolving economic class conflict to secure national solidarity.[15] They support a regulated, multi-class, integrated national economic system.[16]
    Fascism was founded by Italian national syndicalists during World War I who combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but it gravitated to the right in the early 1920s.[17][18] The majority of scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right,[19][20][21][22] while others claim it is the extreme form of a centrist ideology.[23]
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  • Whatsup America... 2011/07/03 17:59:17
    Whatsup
    Listen learn some history. Fascism came from socialism, read up on Mussolini in Italy. Read up on the fascist movement in Germany that came out of the socialist ideology. Your wiki entry is just pure bunk
  • America... Whatsup 2011/07/03 20:33:39
    American☆Atheist
    partly socialism, and i dont think that is left wing when the right wing wants to tell you what do to with your body and who you can marry. also, itlay was on the side of the right-winged nazi
  • Whatsup America... 2011/07/04 04:05:27
    Whatsup
    And again you are grabbing at straws Fascism is just another version of socialism, all left wing.
  • America... Whatsup 2011/07/04 04:16:27
    American☆Atheist
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... read it you misinformed dumbass
  • Whatsup Whatsup 2011/07/04 04:26:54
    Whatsup
    So lets likes to block when he is proven wrong, how typical of a leftist
  • Charlie 2011/07/03 00:10:59
    Yes
    Charlie
    +1
    but I don't think they are in the closet anymore......
  • Whatsup Charlie 2011/07/03 00:13:32
    Whatsup
    +1
    At least now we see the enemy for who they are
  • perks-a real PATRIOT 2011/07/02 23:03:32
    Yes
    perks-a real PATRIOT
    +2
    Yes of course. Actually if you extrapolate socialism out to it's logical conclusion, it's just communism and anybody that thinks that the dems are not already communists, you better wake up!!
  • Whatsup perks-a... 2011/07/02 23:09:16
    Whatsup
    +1
    So true. But they do like to hide behind labels that hide their true agenda
  • perks-a... Whatsup 2011/07/02 23:16:10
    perks-a real PATRIOT
    +1
    Oh, no question. If they had to tell the truth, they would be out of business because Americans just wouldn't go with their filthy ideology. They have to lie, it's as simple as that!!
  • Whatsup perks-a... 2011/07/02 23:18:36
    Whatsup
    +1
    And very obvious. And notice how shrill they get when they are exposed
  • perks-a... Whatsup 2011/07/03 00:19:47 (edited)
    perks-a real PATRIOT
    +1
    The whole liberal scam is nothing more than a cover up for the scum of the earth to try and control people for their own power!! These self absorbed pieces of garbage would sell their own mother into prostitution and blame conservatives for doing it just to gain power!! These pigs are the worst scum that ever existed because instead of actually fighting for power, they sneak and lie and steal instead!!
  • Whatsup perks-a... 2011/07/03 00:22:39
    Whatsup
    +1
    Which is why we can no longer ignore what they are doing.
  • perks-a... Whatsup 2011/07/03 00:33:03
    perks-a real PATRIOT
    +1
    No, we can't, they must be stopped now. America is at a crossroads. Either we stop these pigs now or we become slaves to communist liberal pigs!!
  • Whatsup perks-a... 2011/07/03 00:36:16
    Whatsup
    +1
    Time to stop them. We wither have a peaceful divorce and they go there way, or we will be in a Civil War
  • perks-a... Whatsup 2011/07/03 10:50:33
    perks-a real PATRIOT
    +1
    YEP!!!
  • flaca BN-0 2011/07/02 22:30:36
    No
    flaca BN-0
    +1
    Facism is more close to republicanism than progressivism. Do some history.
  • Whatsup flaca BN-0 2011/07/02 22:50:35
    Whatsup
    +1
    You would be wrong. Progressives are not progressive, they have just stolen the label. Republicanism is limeited government based on the consent of the people, which is completely against what the modern day progressives want
  • America... Whatsup 2011/07/03 02:45:52
    American☆Atheist
    the hate limited government, they are the ones telling you what to do with your body and who you can and can't marry
  • Whatsup America... 2011/07/03 17:15:50
    Whatsup
    You have it all wrong. Typical
  • Gmaze_I... flaca BN-0 2011/07/02 22:58:38
    Gmaze_In Defense of Liberty
    +1
    Fascism is a radical, authoritarian nationalist political ideology.
    Fascists advocate the creation of a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through indoctrination, physical education, and family policy .
    Fascists believe that a nation requires strong leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.
    Fascist governments forbid and suppress opposition to the state.
    Fascism is anti-anarchist, anti-communist, anti-conservative, anti-democratic, anti-individualist, anti-liberal, anti-parliamentary, anti-bourgeois, and anti-proletarian.

    Fascism isn't close to anything. It has elements of both the left and the right.
  • Whatsup Gmaze_I... 2011/07/02 23:10:28
    Whatsup
    +2
    Fascism has it's roots in socialism, it is just socialism on steroids
  • America... flaca BN-0 2011/07/03 00:32:49
    American☆Atheist
    word
  • Whatsup 2011/07/02 21:37:43
    Yes
    Whatsup
    Of course it is. Leftist never change, they just try to hid what they are really trying to do
  • R7494 Whatsup 2011/07/14 03:18:27 (edited)
    R7494
    Wow. Your insightful comments on this page about Fascism and National Socialism MUST have taken into account that the Italian Fascists openly appealed for conservative support such as an original Italian Fascist leadership figure Angelo Oliviero Olivetti saying "Fascism would like to be conservative, but it will [be] by being revolutionary." Or the fact that Mussolini declared in 1919, "We declare war against socialism, not because it is socialism, but because it has opposed nationalism." Or that the Doctrine of Fascism stated fascism's position in the political spectrum: "We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right', a Fascist century."

    Or that German far right-wing monarchist nationalists after World War I didn't have a political base with the fall of the Kaiser and the movement of disatisfied citizens to the rising Bolshevik communists. Afterall, after World War I, these far-right people, like Oswald Spengler attempted to steal the revolutionary thunder and increasing popularity from the Bolsheviks by claiming "we are revolutionary socialists too". After all Spengler wrote of Prussiandom and Socialism and formed the Conservative Revolutionary Movement based on such a CONSERVATIVE nationalist socialism for Germany. I imagine you will give the amazingly intelligent response that "Nope, fascism came from socialism. All left wing"

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