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Is President Obama directly implicated in the IRS scandal?

jt 2013/05/20 18:29:37
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  • debhead 2013/05/24 19:20:32
    Undecided
    debhead
    He's perfectly capable of it, but there is a possibility the IRS thinks its an entity unto itself. People just seem to be doing whatever the hell they feel like doing anymore. Its like Screw US. What are WE going to do about it. Bitch about it, point fingers, analyze....what else. Anybody got any serious solutions. We need some and I've got nothing. I'm open to ideas that will work.
  • Makayla (Ducky) 2013/05/23 16:33:09
    Hell no
    Makayla (Ducky)
    he is F***ing us all. I demand a new president.
  • AKtiff71 2013/05/21 13:47:46
    Hell yeah
    AKtiff71
    He is the President of the United States of America! He is the Commander in Chief! He is responsible for everyone and everything under his administration! He knows everything and see's everything and for anyone to think different is giving him way too much credit!
  • ProudProgressive 2013/05/21 13:06:07
    Hell no
    ProudProgressive
    +3
    What I can't figure out is how the Right Wing manages to simultaneously condemn the President as weak and out of touch and then expect him to have personal knowledge of what every employee of the Federal government, even minor officials in a Cincinnati field office, is doing at any given moment.

    Oh yeah, I forgot - Right Wingers are complete hypocrites.
  • Don Wenk 2013/05/21 10:53:57
    Hell yeah
    Don Wenk
    He knew about it, I would believe he was convinced to order it. I also know he will not be held accountable for it.
  • ProudPr... Don Wenk 2013/05/21 13:07:14
    ProudProgressive
    +2
    And yet there isn't a shred of evidence, not to mention any logical reason, why the President would be personally involved. It must be nice to go through life not worrying about pesky things like facts and reality.
  • Don Wenk ProudPr... 2013/05/21 13:22:27
    Don Wenk
    The logical reason if you cared to look. It has been the way he has done business ever since he entered the political world. In every campaign he has been involved in he did poorly at the beginning. It wasn’t until some alleged wrong doing on his opponent’s part came to light that he surged. When the finger was pointed at him the finger pointer was subject to sudden extreme scrutiny. But I do understand your point of view. There are those so blind that they will not see.
  • ProudPr... Don Wenk 2013/05/21 14:35:36
    ProudProgressive
    +1
    That's nonsense. In his Senate campaign his opponent self destructed all by himself when he consented to the unsealing of his messy divorce proceedings, and Obama was ahead of him in the polls before that. In 2008 Hillary was ahead for a while because of higher name recognition but the campaign was close and the Democrats chose Obama not based on any "alleged wrong" on Clinton's part but upon the strength of his vision and his perceived electability. And 2012 was over before it started with Republican after Republican destroying themselves all by themselves.

    But even if we were to accept your premise you still haven't provided any logical reason. The Tea Party has never been a legitimate threat to the President. They are and always have been an extremist fringe group that does more damage to the Republican Party than to any Democrat. And if the President DID want to attack them, slowing down their tax exemption applications seems like a pretty weak salvo. You ARE aware, I hope, that (a) not one Tea Party group's tax exemption application was denied, (b) these groups are not required to apply for tax free status in the first place, but can simply declare themselves tax exempt and file a form that justifies it, and (c) only a third of the groups involved were conservative groups.
  • scbluesman13 2013/05/21 07:40:19
    Hell no
    scbluesman13
    +2
    And it's a false scandal. Liberal groups were also targeted.
  • KoAm scblues... 2013/05/21 08:50:54
    KoAm
    +1
    Which ones?

    Give examples, along with reputable sources linked.
  • ProudPr... KoAm 2013/05/21 13:10:28 (edited)
    ProudProgressive
    +3
    Will Bloomberg do?

    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...

    Or maybe the Chicago Tribune?

    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...

    In fact, only a third of the groups investigated were "conservative groups".

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  • mrdog 2013/05/21 06:32:46
    Hell yeah
    mrdog
    Of course Obama agree and wanted the President of IRS Union to do it...

    Meeting with her O put the plan on her plate...next day she acts on it... Rocket Science?

    bark
  • ProudPr... mrdog 2013/05/21 13:14:28
    ProudProgressive
    +1
    This is more absurd than usual, even for you. First of all, the IRS employees union has no reason to want to "target" tea party groups. Second of all, the President does not decide policy based on what one union rep wants. Third of all, we already KNOW that the idea originated with two field workers in Cincinnati.

    Stick to birth certificates. At least that's entertaining.
  • Lawnmowerman~PWCM~JLA 2013/05/21 04:22:39
    Hell yeah
    Lawnmowerman~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    According to an IRS worker, any orders to audit have to come from 'the top' "...there HAS to be a directive." The Dear Leader is just going by Standard Operating Procedure...create a scandal, 'just find out about it' and speak to his agog zombies about being mad and determined to find out who did it...you know, sorta like O.J.
  • stevmackey 2013/05/21 03:14:24
    Hell yeah
    stevmackey
    He thinks we are all blind and stupid.
  • ProudPr... stevmackey 2013/05/21 13:12:44
    ProudProgressive
    +1
    If you're a conservative, he's right.
  • Will of Truth 2013/05/21 01:53:14
    Hell yeah
    Will of Truth
    People are just to sissified to accept it, and do something about it.
  • Moonage 2013/05/21 01:33:25
    Hell yeah
    Moonage
    only colleen Kelley can say for sure.
  • Lilith's Daughter 2013/05/21 00:12:32
  • 4dc Lilith'... 2013/05/21 01:01:26
    4dc
    +1
    it reveals him for the lying pos he is..hows that for a start?
  • Lilith'... 4dc 2013/05/21 01:30:32
  • LindaM Lilith'... 2013/05/21 13:51:17
    LindaM
    LOL
  • Magus BN-0 2013/05/20 23:21:58
    Hell no
    Magus BN-0
    +3
    There would have to be an IRS scandal for Obama to be implicated in. There's not, because there was nothing scandalous about what the IRS did. Unless you mean what the IRS did 54 years ago, which is actually scandalous.
  • 4dc Magus BN-0 2013/05/21 01:00:08
    4dc
    seriously? okay..you tell yourself that..but don't try to unload that b.s. on me
  • Dave In Cali 2013/05/20 22:36:06
    Undecided
    Dave In Cali
    +1
    These sorts of things run deep. Whether or not Obama is innocent of the ethics and trust violations implied by the IRS' bullying of Tea Partiers, I see only three feasible outcomes:

    1. The NTEU will "fall on their swords" for their Shogun (Obama), and he will be declared innocent. This will not appease the 'court of public opinion', but it will stand. Conservatives will say it's a cover up. Liberals will say it's legit.

    2. Obama will be found innocent for real (all of the evidence so far is very circumstantial). This, also, will do nothing for the court of public opinion. Conservatives will cry "cover up!". Liberals will say "We told you so".

    3. Obama will be found to be in breach of ethics (and possibly the law) and Impeached. An Impeachment trial is likely to last longer than the remainder of his term, and thus would have no real effect other than (once again) public opinion, and there would still be a 50% chance that he would be found innocent. Regardless, Cons & Libs will find something and/or someone else to bitch and whine about.

    In all three outcomes, the Conservatives will likely claim they were "cheated" if Obama comes up clean. In the last scenario, if Obama is Impeached, die-hard Obama fans will say that GOP corruption, mud-slinging, and probably out...







    These sorts of things run deep. Whether or not Obama is innocent of the ethics and trust violations implied by the IRS' bullying of Tea Partiers, I see only three feasible outcomes:

    1. The NTEU will "fall on their swords" for their Shogun (Obama), and he will be declared innocent. This will not appease the 'court of public opinion', but it will stand. Conservatives will say it's a cover up. Liberals will say it's legit.

    2. Obama will be found innocent for real (all of the evidence so far is very circumstantial). This, also, will do nothing for the court of public opinion. Conservatives will cry "cover up!". Liberals will say "We told you so".

    3. Obama will be found to be in breach of ethics (and possibly the law) and Impeached. An Impeachment trial is likely to last longer than the remainder of his term, and thus would have no real effect other than (once again) public opinion, and there would still be a 50% chance that he would be found innocent. Regardless, Cons & Libs will find something and/or someone else to bitch and whine about.

    In all three outcomes, the Conservatives will likely claim they were "cheated" if Obama comes up clean. In the last scenario, if Obama is Impeached, die-hard Obama fans will say that GOP corruption, mud-slinging, and probably outright racism dug for any tiny little thing they could find, and then somehow forced the panel to find Obama guilty.

    Either way, the public will remain divided, until the public grows up. We will never have a President that everyone likes. If we are lucky, we can get an honest one, but that's probably wishing for a bit too much.

    It all comes down to three points:

    1. Get rid of the IRS
    2. Get rid of all lobbyists, period.
    3. Let the public vote on more things. We didn't elect the government to think for us, but to facilitate the realization of our dreams and goals for this country.
    (more)
  • mich52 2013/05/20 22:09:45
  • Q 2013/05/20 22:04:31
    Undecided
    Q
    +2
    At this point there simply isn't any evidence to prove that his administration was involved and the partisan driven speculation is not supported by the facts currently available. Until and if a connection can be proven this nonsense about his impending impeachment is just: nonsensical!
  • dru dixon 2013/05/20 20:50:05
    Hell no
    dru dixon
    +3
    Keep trying.
  • connie (in name only) BN-0 2013/05/20 20:45:37
    Hell no
    connie (in name only) BN-0
    +6
    But the whining Repugs would like us to think so. It takes our attention off of how campaigns for Teapublicans are funded through social welfare, non-taxable, non-profits. They got caught, so they refocus our attention on Obama. More distractions from creating jobs....... They don't want to earn their votes; they want to buy them - and do nothing to help this country recover from the Great Recession, courtesy of two unfunded wars, Bush tax cuts, and deregulation.
  • lady_c5_loadmaster 2013/05/20 20:30:16
    Undecided
    lady_c5_loadmaster
    I have not read all the reports yet but from the time line it sure looks suspicious.
  • DavideShalome 2013/05/20 20:29:57
    Hell yeah
    DavideShalome
    +1
    as Harry Truman said "The buck stops here"
  • marcuss LIBERALS ARE TRAITORS 2013/05/20 20:15:42
    Hell yeah
    marcuss LIBERALS ARE TRAITORS
    +3
    Of course he has full knowledge, if he does not then his administration is out of control and acting like the gestapo without his orders.

    Adolf Hitler personally did not kill a single Jew and there is nothing you can tie to Hitler to show that he did.....BUT according to historians (except the Muslim ones) Hitler was responsible for killing 6 million Jews.
  • Centrist_Bill 2013/05/20 20:07:39
    Undecided
    Centrist_Bill
    +1
    Not enough evidence yet but the key word is yet.
  • Lady Whitewolf 2013/05/20 19:57:01
    Hell no
    Lady Whitewolf
    +5
    Another RWNJ
  • Pamela 2013/05/20 19:56:36
    Hell yeah
    Pamela
    +1
    He should be, because he ordered it.
  • Petrifi... Pamela 2013/05/21 09:31:09
    PetrifiedElephantPoop
    and you can prove that up....right?
  • Pamela Petrifi... 2013/05/21 20:20:57
    Pamela
    It comes right from the top. YOU don't have to e a rocket scientist to know who gave the orders. If you don't then you have a problem.
  • Petrifi... Pamela 2013/05/22 09:25:40
    PetrifiedElephantPoop
    So you think the president is like Santa....."he knows when you've been sleeping...he knows when your awake..."
  • Icanbean Arschloch 2013/05/20 19:54:59
    Hell yeah
    Icanbean  Arschloch
    +4
    Any which way you look at it, ... it happened on his watch. So, ... the buck stops clearly at Obama's desk!
  • mich52 Icanbea... 2013/05/20 22:15:13

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