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L.A. Times 2013/01/16 18:00:00
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Denouncing President Obama as an “elitist hypocrite,” the National Rifle Assn. released a new video attacking the president for opposing universal armed guards in schools while his own daughters are protected by the Secret Service.

“Are the president’s kids more important than yours?” the ad asks, “Then why is he skeptical of putting armed security in schools, when his kids are protected by armed guards in their school?”

NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre, during the organization’s controversial response to the shootings in Newtown, Conn., called for armed guards to protect students in schools nationwide, and previewed the organization’s line of attack against the president.

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  • Footage 2013/01/16 21:37:35
    No
    Footage
    +41
    While I'm not a supporter of the President, the NRA is using this issue to attack the opposition rather than trying to find a common sense way to move forward. I'm a conservative (libertarian), a strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment and a proud gun owner. But really? I mean, it's the First Family, and they are, and should be afforded Secret Service protection because of the constant threat against the President at the leader of the free world. Is the author suggesting that all of our children be granted Secret Service protection? If so, it's a silly supposition not worthy of the ongoing debate facing our country.

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  • sneekyfoot 2013/01/22 15:55:05
    No
    sneekyfoot
    WGAF
  • gregory.brown.5030 2013/01/22 15:53:42
    Yes
    gregory.brown.5030
    The issue is not that his kids are safe. but, that he refuses to do anything to make our kids safe. Arm and train the teachers. Simple effective, low cost, and total coverage of every kid in school in America. Could have been done with one swipe of the pen according to him.
  • the war... gregory... 2013/01/23 19:43:51
    the warrior monk (BN- 0 )
    Actually, I believe he did approve police officers for schools, if the schools want them. It was in the executive orders he signed at the end of that speech that was given a week ago or so.
  • gregory... the war... 2013/01/23 22:33:22 (edited)
    gregory.brown.5030
    I don't remember that one. could you give the text? But, at the same time he kept pushing his agenda to limit the defense of the children otherwise. Since the Dept of ed falls under his pervue, he could have trained and armed the staff in every school thus solving or at least severely limiting the problem
  • the war... gregory... 2013/01/26 00:13:06 (edited)
    the warrior monk (BN- 0 )
    here's one article on the 25 or 26 executive orders recently signed.


    http://thehill.com/blogs/regw...
  • gregory... the war... 2013/01/26 01:13:43
    gregory.brown.5030
    Your right. it does say he will increase incentives to hire school resource officers. but what good is one cop going to do in a school that covers say five or six acres total. In those same executive orders he sets it up for gun limitations, registrations, and even destroys HIAPPA
  • DuncanONeil 2013/01/22 15:51:16
    Yes
    DuncanONeil
    And all the other issues as well!
  • Xerxes 2013/01/22 15:47:33
    No
    Xerxes
    No, the NRA is, as usual, stupid. The Presidents kids are obviously a target, the kids of any president are a target, in the way everyone else's kids are not.
  • Jack's Pearl 2013/01/22 15:37:25
    No
    Jack's Pearl
    His family is in a much different situation then most all other families in the United States. It would be insane not to have protection for his children. Most other kid's parent's aren't the President of the United States!
  • ConLibF... Jack's ... 2013/01/31 20:03:50
    ConLibFraud
    +2
    Even though he is a criminal?
  • Jack's ... ConLibF... 2013/01/31 22:37:34
    Jack's Pearl
    What does that have to do with anything? Are you saying that IF Obama is a criminal, his children have no right to protection? And whether you like it or not, their father is the President of the United states. Those children could be used as leverage but those who truly are criminal and sick.
  • ConLibF... Jack's ... 2013/01/31 22:56:32
    ConLibFraud
    +1
    No!!!! He is a criminal and should not be in the oval period!! The question of children protection for his family is mute! Does not exist!!!!!! Careful! Aiding and abetting a know criminal is against the law!!!!!!
  • Jack's ... ConLibF... 2013/02/01 12:38:41
    Jack's Pearl
    I'm not doing any such thing. And again you missed my point. With the situation as it stands now we have a moral obligation to protect those children. They are innocent.
  • ConLibF... Jack's ... 2013/02/01 14:29:31
    ConLibFraud
    No! The children should not be there! You are allowing yourself to be distracted from the real topic.
  • Jack's ... ConLibF... 2013/02/01 15:08:02
    Jack's Pearl
    You aren't dealing in reality. The children are there! They need protecting. LOL
  • ConLibF... Jack's ... 2013/02/01 18:44:06
    ConLibFraud
    You aren't!!!! But you are in the majority of dumbed down Americans. We have a criminal in the oval and you and your type are aiding and abetting.
  • Jack's ... ConLibF... 2013/02/02 16:32:14
    Jack's Pearl
    For one I am not dumbed down or aiding and abetting anyone. You stating that shows how off base you are. And I'd like to ask what you propose happens as the situation stands right now? Do you think we should just not protect any of them? Those children certainly are not criminal and deserve protection. I guess you'd throw them to the wolves. And you think most others are dumbed down. LOL Completely ridiculous.
  • ConLibF... Jack's ... 2013/02/02 17:13:52
    ConLibFraud
    NO NO NO! You are way off topic!!!!!

    The only subject that matters is Obama should be in prison ... along time ago! He is an illegal fraud impostor!!!!

    Stop being so distracted and led like a sheep.
  • Jack's ... ConLibF... 2013/02/02 17:16:16
    Jack's Pearl
    Stop repeating BS by haters in this site. Good day.
  • ConLibF... Jack's ... 2013/02/02 17:18:50
    ConLibFraud
    NO! You avoid truth like a coward. Those who accuse hate are the haters.
  • Jack's ... ConLibF... 2013/02/02 17:43:04
    Jack's Pearl
    I'm not avoiding any truth. You have gone completely off topic as far as protection for those kids go. I don't even understand why we are arguing this. It's silly. And I did not call you a hater, but some of your language comes right people who do hate on this site. Let's just quit. We have gotten no where and are not benefitting whatsoever from this lame conversation. We are obviously coming at this from different angles, so good day.
  • Jerry Jack's ... 2013/02/03 08:18:49
    Jerry
    +1
    ......... I don't generally agree with Obama, but the National Rifleman's Association is all wrong on this........ literally, symbolically, hitting below the belt, no class, disgusting to do comparison on kids, wherever, even from the White House Obama children..... They should be ashamed of Themselves.......... We do need to put the strictest control and registration on firearms......... and no citizen should be allowed to own for any reason, high powered automatic military firearms, those should only be available to Our police, Swat Team and military soldiers....... high powered rifles are not necessary to kill " Bambi " ........ as for gun collectors, " No........ Military Firearms, 30 Clip Magazines " ......... no, no, no..........
  • Wally-Molon Labe! 2013/01/22 15:26:50
    Yes
    Wally-Molon Labe!
    The liar in chief is a hypocrite. Honor is anathema to him as his oath to protect our Constitution and to everything good about America is a hollow pledge. He has duped a slight majority of Americans that think government should be and do all for the people. If that is you then you are a commie/socialist/fascist and will be very disappointed when you come to the realization that we REAL Americans, we Patriots, we oath keepers, will not give our country over to you traitors.
  • John.J.J.Stevens 2013/01/21 19:21:08
    No
    John.J.J.Stevens
    +1
    how many death threats do you and your family receive vs the number against the first family.... Has Ted Nugent threatened your family with automatic weapons publically ?
  • Wally-M... John.J.... 2013/01/22 15:38:58
    Wally-Molon Labe!
    If I were a Fascist pig trying to tear down the only country with the freedom we have I would expect death threats.
  • John.J.... Wally-M... 2013/01/22 16:47:05
    John.J.J.Stevens
    +1
    Interesting point of view - just for clarities sake - you see Obama as a Fascist not a Socialist right? Just want to make sure. - Next question - Did you have issues with Bush regarding the Patriot act? ( I have others but I just wanted to start with that one ) Have you been calling our congress and leaders Fascists for quite some time ? just curious because much of what Obama is credited with actually came from his predecessors also from a congressional threat to overturn if he vetoed one of the bills they put before him that people called a threat to our constitution ( i.e. they would have passed it in to law anyway ) and credit Obama with, even though it was Paul Ryan who delivered that threat publically... Just want to make sure we are on the same page here ..
  • Wally-M... John.J.... 2013/01/22 17:58:54
    Wally-Molon Labe!
    Obama is the Commander in Chief and I assume no responsibility. He is an impostor, groomed and planted to disassemble America one right at a time. He is a puppet of the bankster globalists and is working their agenda. I don't believe we have had a Real American president since JFK and assuredly Eisenhower. We have a corrupt government from top down. as well as the congress and courts. There is no rule of law that applies to the "elite", as evidenced by no accountability for all the financial fraud, Corzine and MF Global, for example, the mortgage fraud, derivatives, Holder and fast and furious, etc. Obummer has surrounded himself with ex Goldman Sachs hacks who are the problem. The private Federal Reserve is doing nothing to help working Americans while devaluing the dollar and propping up the insolvent to big to fail banks.

    37 Statistics Which Show How Four Years Of Obama Have Wrecked The U.S. Economy
    By Michael, on January 21st, 2013



    37 Statistics Which Show How Four Years Of Obama Have Wrecked The U.S. EconomyThe mainstream media covered the inauguration of Barack Obama with breathless anticipation on Monday, but should we really be celebrating another four years of Obama? The truth is that the first four years of Obama were an absolute train wreck for the U.S. economy. ...























































































    Obama is the Commander in Chief and I assume no responsibility. He is an impostor, groomed and planted to disassemble America one right at a time. He is a puppet of the bankster globalists and is working their agenda. I don't believe we have had a Real American president since JFK and assuredly Eisenhower. We have a corrupt government from top down. as well as the congress and courts. There is no rule of law that applies to the "elite", as evidenced by no accountability for all the financial fraud, Corzine and MF Global, for example, the mortgage fraud, derivatives, Holder and fast and furious, etc. Obummer has surrounded himself with ex Goldman Sachs hacks who are the problem. The private Federal Reserve is doing nothing to help working Americans while devaluing the dollar and propping up the insolvent to big to fail banks.

    37 Statistics Which Show How Four Years Of Obama Have Wrecked The U.S. Economy
    By Michael, on January 21st, 2013



    37 Statistics Which Show How Four Years Of Obama Have Wrecked The U.S. EconomyThe mainstream media covered the inauguration of Barack Obama with breathless anticipation on Monday, but should we really be celebrating another four years of Obama? The truth is that the first four years of Obama were an absolute train wreck for the U.S. economy. Over the past four years, the percentage of working age Americans with a job has fallen, median household income has declined by more than $4000, poverty in the U.S. has absolutely exploded and our national debt has ballooned to ridiculous proportions. Of course all of the blame for the nightmarish performance of the economy should not go to Obama alone. Certainly much of what we are experiencing today is the direct result of decades of very foolish decisions by Congress and previous presidential administrations. And of course the Federal Reserve has more influence over the economy than anyone else does. But Barack Obama steadfastly refuses to criticize anything that the Federal Reserve has done and he even nominated Ben Bernanke for another term as Fed Chairman despite his horrific track record of failure, so at a minimum Barack Obama must be considered to be complicit in the Fed's very foolish policies. Despite what the Obama administration tells us, the U.S. economy has been in decline for a very long time, and that decline has accelerated in many ways over the past four years. Just consider the statistics that I have compiled below. The following are 37 statistics which show how four years of Obama have wrecked the U.S. economy...

    1. During Obama's first term, the number of Americans on food stamps increased by an average of about 11,000 per day.

    2. At the beginning of the Obama era, 32 million Americans were on food stamps. Today, more than 47 million Americans are on food stamps.

    3. According to one calculation, the number of Americans on food stamps now exceeds the combined populations of "Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming."

    4. The number of Americans receiving money directly from the federal government each month has grown from 94 million in the year 2000 to more than 128 million today.

    5. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, more than 146 million Americans are either "poor" or "low income" at this point.

    6. The unemployment rate in the United States is exactly where it was (7.8 percent) when Barack Obama first entered the White House in January 2009.

    7. When Barack Obama first entered the White House, 60.6 percent of all working age Americans had a job. Today, only 58.6 percent of all working age Americans have a job.

    8. During the first four years of Obama, the number of Americans "not in the labor force" soared by an astounding 8,332,000. That far exceeds any previous four year total.

    9. During Obama's first term, the number of Americans collecting federal disability insurance rose by more than 18 percent.

    10. The Obama years have been absolutely devastating for small businesses in America. According to economist Tim Kane, the following is how the number of startup jobs per 1000 Americans breaks down by presidential administration...

    Bush Sr.: 11.3

    Clinton: 11.2

    Bush Jr.: 10.8

    Obama: 7.8

    11. Median household income in America has fallen for four consecutive years. Overall, it has declined by over $4000 during that time span.

    12. The economy is not producing nearly enough jobs for the hordes of young people now entering the workforce. Approximately 53 percent of all U.S. college graduates under the age of 25 were either unemployed or underemployed in 2011.

    13. According to a report from the National Employment Law Project, 58 percent of the jobs that have been created since the end of the recession have been low paying jobs.

    14. Back in 2007, about 28 percent of all working families were considered to be among "the working poor". Today, that number is up to 32 percent even though our politicians tell us that the economy is supposedly recovering.

    15. According to the Center for Economic and Policy Research, only 24.6 percent of all of the jobs in the United States are "good jobs" at this point.

    16. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the middle class is taking home a smaller share of the overall income pie than has ever been recorded before.

    17. According to the Economic Policy Institute, the United States is losing half a million jobs to China every single year.

    18. The United States has fallen in the global economic competitiveness rankings compiled by the World Economic Forum for four years in a row.

    19. According to the World Bank, U.S. GDP accounted for 31.8 percent of all global economic activity in 2001. That number declined steadily over the course of the next decade and was only at 21.6 percent in 2011.

    20. The United States actually has plenty of oil and we should not have to import oil from the Middle East. We need to drill for more oil, but Obama has been very hesitant to do that. Under Bill Clinton, the number of drilling permits approved rose by 58 percent. Under George W. Bush, the number of drilling permits approved rose by 116 percent. Under Barack Obama, the number of drilling permits approved actually decreased by 36 percent.

    21. When Barack Obama took office, the average price of a gallon of gasoline was $1.84. Today, the average price of a gallon of gasoline is $3.26.

    22. Under Barack Obama, the United States has lost more than 300,000 education jobs.

    23. For the first time ever, more than a million public school students in the United States are homeless. That number has risen by 57 percent since the 2006-2007 school year.

    24. Families that have a head of household under the age of 30 now have a poverty rate of 37 percent.

    25. More than three times as many new homes were sold in the United States in 2005 as were sold in 2012.

    26. Electricity bills in the United States have risen faster than the overall rate of inflation for five years in a row.

    27. Health insurance costs have risen by 29 percent since Barack Obama became president.

    28. Today, 77 percent of all Americans live paycheck to paycheck at least part of the time.

    29. It is being projected that Obamacare will add 16 million more Americans to the Medicaid rolls.

    30. The total amount of money that the federal government gives directly to the American people has grown by 32 percent since Barack Obama became president.

    31. The Obama administration has been spending money on some of the most insane things imaginable. For example, in 2011 the Obama administration spent $592,527 on a study that sought to figure out once and for all why chimpanzees throw poop.

    32. U.S. taxpayers spend more than 20 times as much on the Obamas as British taxpayers spend on the royal family.

    33. The U.S. government has run a budget deficit of well over a trillion dollars every single year under Barack Obama.

    34. When Barack Obama was first elected, the U.S. debt to GDP ratio was under 70 percent. Today, it is up to 103 percent.

    35. During Obama's first term, the federal government accumulated more debt than it did under the first 42 U.S presidents combined.

    36. As I wrote about yesterday, when you break it down the amount of new debt accumulated by the U.S. government during Obama's first term comes to approximately $50,521 for every single household in the United States. Are you ready to contribute your share?

    37. If you started paying off just the new debt that the U.S. has accumulated during the Obama administration at the rate of one dollar per second, it would take more than 184,000 years to pay it off.

    But despite all of these numbers, the mainstream media and the left just continue to shower Barack Obama with worship and praise. Newsweek recently heralded Obama's second term as "The Second Coming", and at Obama's pre-inauguration church service Reverand Ronald Braxton openly compared Obama to Moses...

    End.

    The mentally manipulated morons in America can not see the forest for the trees. But this planned attack on gun rights and our second amendment is the straw that will bust obama and his puppet masters plan wide open. We, Patriots will not go down quietly or without a fight.
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  • John.J.... Wally-M... 2013/01/22 18:13:51
    John.J.J.Stevens
    Thank you for saying assuredly Eisenhower .. are you aware that Obama's political standing sits to the right of Eisenhower? Please go through their terms and actually look at them and you will see this in black and white. I will get back to you regarding your 37 statistics however the 2005 new home bit is way off the mark .. that was part of the problem that actually started way before 2005. Long story short the Clinton administration ( as much as they did some good things ) screwed up the housing market and GWBJR inherited the bust on that one ( one of the few things he didn't do wrong ). as for the rest I just glanced over them was more looking for your opinion of Eisenhower. Here is another question for you regarding Eisenhower's presidency - what were the tax rates.
  • John.J.... Wally-M... 2013/01/22 18:14:29
    John.J.J.Stevens
    also I did note that you avoided the patriot act question.
  • Wally-M... John.J.... 2013/01/22 18:30:34
    Wally-Molon Labe!
    No I did avoid it. I made a general statement about all being corrupt including baby moron Bush. I believe as part of the demise of America the plan was/is to destroy us incrementally from the inside out. I also believe the Patriot Act was ready to go before the so-called terrorist attack on 911. The "war on terror" was hyped and the fervor for revenge and security had Americans bending over to give up some rights. Just as they do today to get on a flight. Get irradiated and sexually fondled for "security". Now the attack on our second amendment and gun rights brought to a head by the supposed killing of young children, none of whom have we seen the proof of death.

    I appreciate your interest in Eisenhower but I am only concerned with what I can do now to help save my country. Studying Eisenhower isn't one of them.
  • John.J.... Wally-M... 2013/01/22 19:16:53
    John.J.J.Stevens
    fine then we can discuss the whole of the second amendment not just the last clause....At the time of it's writing they were worried that the new government (federal republic) that they were forming would go the way what they were just leaving - in an effort to stem this each state( commonwealth etc by ) had it's own militia that did not answer to the federal government but to the states - to be able to stand against the Federal government should it bring arms against the states. hence "A Well Regulated Militia" clause something that the NRA seems to have forgotten as well as the courts unfortunately since when it was last heard in court they referred to the National Guard as the Militia ... As my stance on the First Amendment is we must abide by it in total .. so is my stance on the Second Amendment we must abide by it in total.

    interesting you should say that there has been no proof of death .. when actually there has been plenty but eh ok you can go talk to the parents then.
  • Lanikai 2013/01/21 17:28:38
    Yes
    Lanikai
    +2
    Otherwise, he would demand that the ones at his kids school get fired, and he and all of the admin and congress would give up their armed protection.
  • User Deactivated 2013/01/21 16:47:26
    Yes
    User Deactivated
    +3
    If indeed Obama is opposed to armed security in the "common folks'" schools, then having his own children protected by armed security would make him an elitist hypocrite.
  • tytyvyllus 2013/01/21 15:05:26
    Yes
    tytyvyllus
    +1
    yet why should this issue be any different? this do as I say not as I do didn't even work for me when told to me by my grandfather; it is surly not working now.
  • Mr.Hoodz the Truth Troll 2013/01/21 12:55:13
    Yes
    Mr.Hoodz the Truth Troll
    +1
    We are cannon fodder to those in charge. I wish the majority of the public understood this. MJ said it best "All I wanna say is that they don't really care about us"
  • MadAlaskan 2013/01/21 12:38:57
    No
    MadAlaskan
    +1
    Though I think we should have armed cops at our schools (positive influence not because they are armed, but law enforcement) I don't believe that Obama is being hypocritical by having his kids guarded. He's the President of the United States of America. He's a bit of a target (especially from domestic enemies), and therefore his family is as well.
  • claona 2013/01/21 10:32:29
    No
    claona
    +1
    There is a hell of a difference between the potential threat to his daughters than almost any other children. Especially when you have so many deranged pro-gun cretins at liberty in the USA.
  • andrew.micheals.353 2013/01/21 10:03:58
    No
    andrew.micheals.353
    What a way to create jobs. Armed guards for everyone funded by the tax payer.
  • Digman14 2013/01/21 08:20:05
    No
    Digman14
    So what the NRA is saying we should have Secret Service protection for all kids? And I though conservatives opposed big government!
  • Steelshrt 2013/01/21 08:07:44
    Yes
    Steelshrt
    +4
    Face it people. Those with power and money are always treated different than the masses, anywhere in the world. With power comes hypocrisy and indifference to any but yourself and your own. The USA is no different than any power hungry dictatorship, other than a failed or successful or failed coup d'tat every four years by one political party.
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