Is Police Brutality On The Rise In The United States?
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(CNN) -- A graphic
video played at a hearing Monday to determine whether two California
police officers should stand trial in the beating death of a homeless
man showed them kicking and punching the mentally ill man as he lay on
the ground -- screaming in pain and begging for help.
The victim, Kelly Thomas, died five days after the beating on July 5.
Manuel Ramos, a 10-year
veteran of the Fullerton, California, police department, is charged with
second-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter, while Cpl. Jay
Patrick Cicinelli faces charges of involuntary manslaughter and felony
use of excessive force in the same case.
Both have pleaded not guilty.
The black-and-white video was played during a preliminary hearing for the two officers.
Revealing details of Kelly Thomas' death
Head trauma caused Thomas' death
It begins with Thomas -- a
37-year-old homeless man with schizophrenia -- sitting and being told
by Ramos to put his feet out and hands on his knees.
The officers were responding to a call about a homeless man looking into car windows and pulling on handles of parked cars.
In the video, Thomas is slow to cooperate.
Ramos then tells him: "You see my fists? They're getting ready to f--- you up."
Thomas, who is unarmed
and shirtless, stands and another officer walks over. They hit him with
their batons and hold him on the ground as he begs for help.
"Ok, I'm sorry, dude.
I'm sorry!" he screams. At one point, Thomas says he can't breathe. The
officers tell him to lie on his stomach, put his hands behind his back
and relax.
"Ok, here, here, dude, please!" he says.
Other officers arrive.
At times, trees block the view of the camera and it's not always clear who is doing what as officers pile on top of Thomas.
One uses a Taser stun gun.
Thomas cries out for help and. toward the end of the beating, for his father: "Dad! Help me. Help me. Help me, dad."
His voice gets softer and trails off.
By the end of the video, he is lying in a pool of blood as the officers wonder out loud what to do next.
One can be heard saying: "We ran out of options so I got to the end of my Taser and I ... smashed his face to hell."
Thomas suffered brain injuries, facial fractures, rib fractures, and extensive bruising and abrasions, according to prosecutors.
The Orange County
coroner listed his manner of death as a homicide and said he died after
having his chest compressed, leaving him unable to breathe.
The FBI is investigating possible civil rights violations in his case.
Six Fullerton officers,
including Ramos and Cicinelli, were put on paid leave after his death.
The case drew widespread attention to the police department of
Fullerton, located about 25 miles southeast of downtown Los Angeles.
We just never saw any evidence, until video cell phones came around.
Marxist Liberals are becoming increasing more violent and the police have to deal with the escalation.
Killing the Messenger (Argumentum ad Hominem)
“This fallacy disagrees with an argument by attacking the person who makes the argument.”
http://depts.washington.edu/m...
The current Mayor of Philadelphia is a Democrat and for sixty years the mayor of Philadelphia has been a Democrat. You need to discuss the problem with him.
I live in a town of 20 thousand. We have at least 50 percent more police then a town of our size would normally have. There is virtually no crime and certainly there is no police brutality.
Our police are ready to respond to anything but they don’t generally feel threatened. If you want help asked a policeman. They will bend over backwards to help you.
We also have concealed a gun law which makes a criminal pretty nervous.
You cause the problem with police and then you complain about it.
Also, you need to use a little logic in dealing with police. The first thing I would do is remove any threat to them. Let them know that you agree that they are in charge. You want to make your meeting with them as routine as possible.
Treat them with respect and they will feel warm and fuzzy. They will treat you with respect. If you challenge them, look for a long day.
To me it is common sense. I am not there to fight with them. I will do exactly as they tell me. After everything has settled down, if I have any problem, I can go to court but I have never had any problems
I have been all over the world and it works the same way everywhere in Democratic countries.
Now it is evident that one of the reasons for this increase is the lowering of police hiring standards in the recruitment frenzy following the September 11 terrorist attacks.
Between 2001 and 2007, federal court cases in which cops were accused of violating people’s civil rights dramatically rose 25 percent, according to the U.S. Justice Department.
While figures are not available for the most recent years, anybody who keeps up with the news knows that there hasn’t exactly been a decrease.
"Obama's DOJ Forcing Dayton, Ohio Police Department to lower test scores for African-Americans recruits
Affirmative action strike again. The Department of Justice is forcing the Dayton, Ohio Police Department to lower its testing standards because not enough African-American police recruits are passing the exam. Even the local NAACP is against the lower standards.
Under the previous requirements, candidates had to get a 66% on part one of the exam and a 72% on part two.
The D.O.J. approved new scoring policy only requires potential police officers to get a 58% and a 63%. That's the equivalent of an ‘F’ and a ‘D’.
“It becomes a safety issue for the people of our community,” said Dayton Fraternal Order of Police President, Randy Beane. “It becomes a safety issue to have an incompetent officer next to you in a life and death situation."
http://grendelreport.posterou...
Yes, if you lower the standards you are going to have more problems with the police.
"Obama's DOJ Forcing Dayton, Ohio Police Department to lower test scores for African-Americans recruits
Affirmative action strike again. The Department of Justice is forcing the Dayton, Ohio Police Department to lower its testing standards because not enough African-American police recruits are passing the exam. Even the local NAACP is against the lower standards.
Under the previous requirements, candidates had to get a 66% on part one of the exam and a 72% on part two.
The D.O.J. approved new scoring policy only requires potential police officers to get a 58% and a 63%. That's the equivalent of an ‘F’ and a ‘D’.
“It becomes a safety issue for the people of our community,” said Dayton Fraternal Order of Police President, Randy Beane. “It becomes a safety issue to have an incompetent officer next to you in a life and death situation."
http://grendelreport.posterou...
Our police will be there in seconds and in mass. We have a lot of police. They will shut the area down until the problem is solved.
If you live in a city controlled by Democrats, you need to talk to the mayor. We don’t have to talk to the mayor because we don’t have a problem. Apparently you do.
We also have concealed gun laws that allow citizens to carry hand guns. So a criminal doesn’t know where a bullet will come from. Therefore, we have almost no crime.
The trick is if you are confronted by a police officer, you want to remove any threat to the officer. Like put your hand on your head and tell the police officer where the gun is. Remove the threat to the police officer and work everything out latter. Do only what the officer tells you to do.
It is not difficult. It just takes common sense.
Again you are using the fallacy of Hasty Generalization.
If you were a policeman that has been on riot duty for 5 solid days with OWS, don’t you think it would be normal for you to be on edge?
Some of these situations in large cities are worst then serving in Afghanistan. These are war zones. It amounts to combat with violent Liberals. Some of these police deserve hazardous duty pay.
Police are human being, they emotions also.
Again you are using the fallacy of Hasty Generalization.
If you were a policeman that has been on riot duty for 5 solid days with OWS, don’t you think it would be normal for you to be on edge?
Some of these situations in large cities are worst then serving in Afghanistan. These are war zones. It amounts to combat with violent Liberals. Some of these police deserve hazardous duty pay.
Police are human being, they also get emotional after days in a war zone with Liberals.
Hasty Generalization
We often generalize in order to prove our points. This is not necessarily bad. We cannot always come up with an absolute, scientific answer (even scientists use generalization to prove their theorems), so we have to gather sufficient data and generalize from that data. These generalizations are only considered fallacies when the sample we take is too small. Using three people who enjoyed COM382 last year does not prove that most students enjoy COM382; you would need a larger sample to make that assertion responsibly. How large a sample you would need depends on your topic and its consequences. This fallacy can also be called a converse accident. That man is an alcoholic. Liquor should be banned."
I also pointed out if a policeman has been in a war zone with violent Liberals like OWS, they are certainly going to be on edge.
It is hard to keep from being emotional when you are constantly being attack by violence.
“Occupy Oakland Protesters Charged With Hate Crime, Robbery”
“Between the violent police battles, the Recall Mayor Quan petition and the seething community reaction, the relationship between the Occupy movement and the City of Oakland has been a bit heated.”
And now, as three occupy protesters face charges for robbery and a hate crime stemming from an incident at last week's Occupy Oakland protest, that relationship is nearly boiling.
At Friday's protest, three Occupy Oaklanders -- Michael Davis, 32, Nneka Crawford, 23, and Randolph Wilkins, 24 -- were arrested when a woman not associated with the protest alleged that they attacked her, stole her wallet and made hateful comments about her sexuality.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com...
These are violent Marxist.
How many arrest have there been for Tea Party protesters, about zero?
Marxist Liberals are violent!
This is despite the fact that The Tea Party protests have not always been, so to speak, a tea party. Lest we forget a Tea Party member stomped on a woman’s head.
Tea Partiers also gained great attention for their ability to obstreperously interrupt town hall meetings during the health care debate, and shout down those who disagreed with them. Were there mass arrests due to these actions? No way. Unscathed would be one way to describe how they emerged. Kid gloves could describe how they were treated by those in power. The guy who stomped on that lady’s head, for example, Tim Profitt, got some probation. But he sure didn’t get beaten down by the police, as many OWS folks have, for less. Don’t you just hate it when you think you’ve found an interesting, insightful point that hasn’t been made before … only to find that it has been made before?
Well that happened to me. As I looked at news story after news story of people getting arrested at Occupy Wall Street (OWS), um, occupations, I started to wonder, hey, did these...
This is despite the fact that The Tea Party protests have not always been, so to speak, a tea party. Lest we forget a Tea Party member stomped on a woman’s head.
Tea Partiers also gained great attention for their ability to obstreperously interrupt town hall meetings during the health care debate, and shout down those who disagreed with them. Were there mass arrests due to these actions? No way. Unscathed would be one way to describe how they emerged. Kid gloves could describe how they were treated by those in power. The guy who stomped on that lady’s head, for example, Tim Profitt, got some probation. But he sure didn’t get beaten down by the police, as many OWS folks have, for less. Don’t you just hate it when you think you’ve found an interesting, insightful point that hasn’t been made before … only to find that it has been made before?
Well that happened to me. As I looked at news story after news story of people getting arrested at Occupy Wall Street (OWS), um, occupations, I started to wonder, hey, did these sorts of mass arrests ever happen to the Tea Party? (Answer: no.) And then I learned that someone else, in this case the Daily Kos, basically made this point already.
Well, that may be, but it still begged the question in my mind as to why is this true, if it’s true? Why are scores of OWS folks getting hauled off in school-bus sized paddy wagons, and not the Tea Party folks?
This is despite the fact that The Tea Party protests have not always been, so to speak, a tea party. Lest we forget a Tea Party member stomped on a woman’s head.
Tea Partiers also gained great attention for their ability to obstreperously interrupt town hall meetings during the health care debate, and shout down those who disagreed with them.
Were there mass arrests due to these actions? No way. Unscathed would be one way to describe how they emerged. Kid gloves could describe how they were treated by those in power. The guy who stomped on that lady’s head, for example, Tim Profitt, got some probation. But he sure didn’t get beaten down by the police, as many OWS folks have, for less.
In fact when I Googled “Tea Party” and “arrested” here were some of the top searches that came up:
A Tea Party leader was arrested for pirating software.
A man was arrested for shouting at Tea Partiers.
A Tea Party organizer was arrested for soliciting a prostitute.
One Tea Party wingnut was arrested for threatening to turn a tax protest into a full scale massacre. He told the world about this via Twitter, of course.
Overall not much there. Now do the same search for “Occupy Wall Street” and “arrested” and these are some of the top searches:
1. 80 plus arrested in New York, just a few days ago.
2. Author Naomi Wolf, that menace to society, was also thrown into the hoosegow during an OWS protest. Better still, she was in an evening gown when she got busted, which surely made for interesting jailhouse banter. (Seriously, if anyone should have good reason to be angry at Wolf you’d think it would be pretty much limited to Al Gore.)
3. OWS protestors were arrested nationwide, in honor of the movement’s one month anniversary.
4. Some OWS protestors in Lower Manhattan made the trip to an outer borough, Brooklyn, and then got arrested. (Remember, not too long ago 700 OWS folks were also arrested at the Brooklyn Bridge.) My advice? Next time try the Manhattan Bridge.
And the list goes on, and on, nationwide, ad infinitum. Suffice to say, by this point at least a thousand OWS folks have felt the leathered fist of The Man, for asserting their rights to assembly, and freedom of speech. And they haven’t merely gotten arrested, but pepper sprayed, and in some cases beaten.
I don’t vote for the party. However, I think you do.
Tea party protesters don’t get arrested because the are not violent and they follow the law.
He represents the 22 district of Florida. He was elected by Republicans mostly white Republicans.
However, there are some blacks that have moved on since the 1960’s. Apparently, you are not one of them.
That was my overall point; not White vs. Black. The video was just to showcase my point; as Allen West, save it. I know all about him and this has nothing to do with White voters and Allen West. It was about police brutality, which I was depicting once again.