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Is Obamas' theory that if we tax the rich more we can solve everytrhing correct?

den 2012/06/17 01:51:07
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He has borrowed trillions which is much more than he can get from the rich so the answer is no[he has fixed nothing]
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  • Shirley 2012/06/19 20:20:48
    undecided,comments
    Shirley
    +1
    It was an important part of the formula in the 1990's which resulted in eliminating the deficit, creating a surplus (which Bush squandered), resulting in jobs and a healthy economy.
  • All American 2012/06/19 11:30:53
    no because.
    All American
    +1
    It's a spending and ideological problem, not a revenue problem.
  • Contarded Chickenhawk Con S... 2012/06/18 16:38:50
    undecided,comments
    Contarded Chickenhawk Con Slayer
    +2
    Lets see... how did we fund the Bush Tax Cuts? If we just don't renew the Bush Tax cuts, then we won't have to worry about the poor rich folks. LOL
  • den Contard... 2012/06/20 01:29:44
    den
    you don't fund tax cuts-we should have no tax to begin with and all tax cuts are a step in the rightv direction
  • Contard... den 2012/06/20 10:47:47
    Contarded Chickenhawk Con Slayer
    Let's see... Budget 101. You plan what your going to spend on the funds you expect to receive. But then some cut funds and everyone gets HIGH on the tax cut Jones. Now who's stuck with the bill... Yet for you there should be no taxes... LMAO!
  • relic 2012/06/17 23:41:56
    no because.
    relic
    +1
    If you consficated every dime from every "rich" person you'd probably not even cover a month of Oslime's spending spree.
  • den relic 2012/06/20 01:30:28
  • Magnus ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮ 2012/06/17 13:52:43 (edited)
    no because.
    Magnus ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮
    +1
    How in the hell will that encourage employers to hire, let alone to not lay-off or furlough their employees that they already have?! For #uck's sake, the writing is on the wall here. The Marxists (and oh yes, I assure you, there are MANY of them here) will not stop molesting this Nation until we Americans are just as poor and abjectly destitute as subjects of every Marxist Nation of this world (Synonyms/pseudonyms for 'Marxist' includes: Communism, Socialism, Totalitarianism, Left-Wing and Liberal etc. - and 'Progressive' is also synonymous and a pseudonym for Liberal, thereby meaning again, MARXIST)! In other words, they will not rest until we are in a total Proletariat social class, meaning all (EXCEPT the 'elite') are equally destitute and poor!

    Proletariat:

    1) The class of wage earners, especially those who earn their living by manual labor or who are dependent for support on daily or casual employment; the working class.
    2) (in Marxist theory) The class of workers, especially industrial wage earners, who do not possess capital or property and must sell their labor to survive.
    3) The lowest or poorest class of people, possessing no property, especially in ancient Rome.

    This is EXACTLY what has been happening to this Nation even before 0bama, very slowly, but this is what higher taxation and redistribution of all of our wealth will get us - FAST!

    MARXISM: IT HAS GOT TO BE STOPPED!!!
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/06/17 12:33:13
    undecided,comments
    Lady Whitewolf
    +3
    Well, how well has THROWING MORE MONEY AT THE WEALTHY worked for ya?
  • beach bum 2012/06/17 10:34:20
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    beach bum
    unsure
  • Hula girl - Friends not Fol... 2012/06/17 08:00:52
    yes,because
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    +1
    That's how the clueless traitor thinks.
  • dvd 2012/06/17 04:00:18
  • KingdomNow 2012/06/17 02:58:51 (edited)
    yes,because
    KingdomNow
    +2
    That is what Progressive idiots believe.



    Of course they are wrong.
  • bob h. KingdomNow 2012/06/18 00:34:58
    bob h.
    +2
    So how's $7 hr jobs working out?
  • KingdomNow bob h. 2012/06/18 01:57:32
    KingdomNow
    +1
    Everybody has the right to compete for jobs. If an employer doesn't offer enough pay he won't get better quality workers.

    Minimum Wage laws are a failure.

  • bob h. KingdomNow 2012/06/18 18:44:34
    bob h.
    +2
    When the jobs go to China, Mexico, etc, etc. the competition gets intense.
  • KingdomNow bob h. 2012/06/18 21:06:22
    KingdomNow
    High taxes and over-regulation chased jobs overseas. Government interference caused the US to be noncompetitive in the global market.
  • bob h. KingdomNow 2012/06/18 21:39:02
    bob h.
    +2
    And if the rich don't pay tax, guess who makes it up.
  • KingdomNow bob h. 2012/06/19 00:48:38
    KingdomNow
    Considering that the rich carry everyone else so nobody can make up for it. The problem isn't taxation but spending yet you can't learn that, can you?
  • bob h. KingdomNow 2012/06/19 19:18:33
    bob h.
    +2
    Look at history: 90% tax on the rich + Unions= prosperity. 12% tax on the rich- unions= depression.
  • KingdomNow bob h. 2012/06/19 19:40:21
    KingdomNow
    +1
    For over a hundred years:
    No income taxes, no unions = Prosperity.
  • Shirley KingdomNow 2012/06/19 20:12:57
    Shirley
    LOL...for over a hundred years, No income taxes, no unions = 200 years ago, Pre-industrial Age, no law, free land, fighting across the country to grab up whatever you can. So, that's the prosperity you want to go back to? LOL
  • den Shirley 2012/06/20 01:33:08
    den
    both of you are over sim plifyingm
  • Shirley den 2012/06/20 02:43:43
    Shirley
    And Kingdom is not over-simplifying with his silly response? You surely can't seriously believe that the Democrats think that this one action (not renewing the Bush tax cuts) will solve all the problems? It's really a dumb question because, of course, it's not the only course of action needed. It was, however, an important element of the building a strong economy and eliminating the deficit in the 1990s.
  • den KingdomNow 2012/06/20 01:32:06
    den
    amen
  • Shirley bob h. 2012/06/19 20:16:45
    Shirley
    +2
    Kingdom Now is living in LaLa land...his formula for prosperity is to go back to the pioneer days. Romantic on the movie screen, but that's about it. If his type gets their way, I suppose that's where we'll go!
  • den Shirley 2012/06/20 01:34:11
    den
    this does not require going back to pioneer days only back to greatly reduced govt
  • Shirley den 2012/06/20 02:52:11
    Shirley
    +1
    You missed the sarcasm.
    Kingdom stated: "For over a hundred years:
    No income taxes, no unions = Prosperity."
    It was an absurd statement...thus my response. Think about it...the hundred year period prior to income taxes was prosperous?
  • KingdomNow Shirley 2012/06/20 05:28:39
    KingdomNow
    It is the truth. When the government imposed a 2.5% business tax to pay for the Civil War and tried to make it permanent they almost had another Civil War on their hands.

    When the so-called rich were taxed at 90% they simply hid their income and the government could never prove it. Many just kept their wealth overseas the way many companies, such as GE, do today.

    Today, American companies have to waste billions of dollars in lawyers, accountants and lobbyists to protect themselves from abusive government taxation and regulation.

    Some companies simply flee to other countries, like China, who offer much lower taxes for industry. Overweening government has made America incapable of competing in a global market.

    America was better of and far more prosperous when government had little power to tax and regulate.

  • Shirley KingdomNow 2012/06/20 07:34:43
    Shirley
    I wouldn't consider the 100 years before the civil war as prosperity (that's quite a stretch). There was a small segment in the North East that you could say that about. Overall, the country was undeveloped and expanding. A country's government must have income to function.

    No one is advocating a 90% tax on the rich. However, the Bush tax cuts were temporary...and they should not be renewed.

    I think small businesses need some incentives and some tax breaks to help them get started. However, my heart is not exactly bleeding for large corporate America that are taking advantage of the high unemployment rate by underpaying and overworking their employees. Currently, there are actually tax incentives for American companies who have set up shop overseas -- those incentives need to be removed. I would rather see some incentives to hiring here in the US and growing the economy. But, if you think I feel bad for the banks. Forget it. If there was ever an industry that need regulating, they need it big time.

    Your assessment is actually over simplified. I lived in China for a number of years in the 1990s -- we had a consulting business and helped western companies to do business in China and matched them with Joint Venture partners. China was literally becoming a cesspool. You...

    I wouldn't consider the 100 years before the civil war as prosperity (that's quite a stretch). There was a small segment in the North East that you could say that about. Overall, the country was undeveloped and expanding. A country's government must have income to function.

    No one is advocating a 90% tax on the rich. However, the Bush tax cuts were temporary...and they should not be renewed.

    I think small businesses need some incentives and some tax breaks to help them get started. However, my heart is not exactly bleeding for large corporate America that are taking advantage of the high unemployment rate by underpaying and overworking their employees. Currently, there are actually tax incentives for American companies who have set up shop overseas -- those incentives need to be removed. I would rather see some incentives to hiring here in the US and growing the economy. But, if you think I feel bad for the banks. Forget it. If there was ever an industry that need regulating, they need it big time.

    Your assessment is actually over simplified. I lived in China for a number of years in the 1990s -- we had a consulting business and helped western companies to do business in China and matched them with Joint Venture partners. China was literally becoming a cesspool. You should take a walk on the streets of Beijing when there's no wind to blow the pollution away. At night, the lights can reflect off the smog. It is a very corrupt country where every politician has his hand out to be greased and look the other way, while large Western Corporations get away with polluting the country. That's what this country would be like without regulations. Although I do not like over-regulating, I don't feel bad about regulations on business, it keeps large corporations from ruining our environment, paying slave wages, using child labor, and from abusing the power that big money brings, etc. In countries like China, they get away with all of this.

    If you want to get mad about something, get mad about the loss of our civil liberties -- and a country in which money buys power and keeps certain people above the law.
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  • Lady Wh... bob h. 2012/07/02 13:31:54
    Lady Whitewolf
    agreed
  • Lady Wh... bob h. 2012/07/02 13:31:30
    Lady Whitewolf
    WE do!
  • Don Leuty 2012/06/17 02:11:58
    no because.
    Don Leuty
    +1
    There ain't enough of them. You could tax them at 100% and still not have enough. Guess who that leaves. The biggest numbers are still in the middle class. His ideology does not fit the calculus. He must shrink government, and at least, balance the budget. The tax base is like toothpaste: The guys in the middle are the ones that get squeezed most.

    Cut the IRS by 90%. Throw out the current loop hole riddled tax code that allows high rollers a pass and soaks the rest.
  • Lady Wh... Don Leuty 2012/06/17 12:33:54
    Lady Whitewolf
    +2
    "Cut the IRS by 90%. Throw out the current loop hole riddled tax code that allows high rollers a pass and soaks the rest...."

    EXACTLY
  • Don Leuty Lady Wh... 2012/06/18 06:34:58
    Don Leuty
    +1
    Agreed. In the long run, the net of income over the cost of collection should rise significantly. The money saved when poor IRS interpretations of the tax code end up being thrown out in court. It would be worth the period of adjustment of those made redundant in the public and private sectors.
  • bob h. Don Leuty 2012/06/18 18:45:38
    bob h.
    +1
    Tax the flake religions. That'll do it.
  • Don Leuty bob h. 2012/06/19 01:13:32
    Don Leuty
    Might as well grab the rest of the non-profits while you are at it. Of course, if ou don't spend like a drunken sailor, you don't have to raise so many taxes. It is time to tax everyone, so everyone has some skin in the game. Those who don't pay income taxes are always the first to scream more.
  • Lady Wh... bob h. 2012/07/02 13:33:22
    Lady Whitewolf
    LOLZ! true
  • BlueMax372 2012/06/17 02:04:18
    no because.
    BlueMax372
    +2
    Redistribution of the wealth simply hasn't worked wherever and whenever it's been tried. 0v0mit is simply yet another in a long line of failed socialist $h*theads.
  • bob h. BlueMax372 2012/06/19 19:23:44
    bob h.
    +2
    Reagan, Bush, Bush. Three Repos= Three bankruptcies. Carter, Clinton, surplus budget. Don't be influenced by facts.

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