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Is Obama's FedEx / UPS argument 'Realistic'

Jwalden --- Constitution Party 2009/08/11 23:39:07
FedEx and UPS operate differently ..........
USPS  is ........
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Obama is using Fedex and UPS vs the Post Office to prove competition between Private Companies and Government funded companies.

FedEx and UPS are NOT allowed to set 'Postal Routes' to deliver mail door to door to Honestly, Fairly compete. i encourage you to view the video options
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  • Ken "Don't tread on me!" 2009/08/11 23:59:16 (edited)
    FedEx and UPS operate differently ..........
    Ken "Don't tread on me!"
    +17
    There is no comparison between the "competition" between FEDEX and UPS on the one hand and the USPS on the other, and the health care "insurance" system Obama wants to set up. In the first place his argument blows up in his face, as FEDEX and UPS do a great job without taxpayer assistance, while the federal government can't run the USPS worth a damn. I just found out that it takes five days (!) for first class mail to get from San Diego, CA to Boise, ID. If the federal government can't run the postal service, mis-estimates the "cash for clunkers" cost by 1/3, and can't run Social Security or Medicare without them being eaten up by fraud, what makes anyone think that they can run our health care system?

    Actually Obama does not intend for the "private option" to survive - the cards are stacked against it. What private employer is going to continue to provide health care insurance when he/she can just pay a fine of 8% of their payroll and put their employees on the public plan? There was also a provision that private insurers could sign no new insureds after January 1 of the year the health care bill becomes effective. It is highly doubtful that the private option would survive for even five years if one of these plans were adopted.

    If this were actually about cutting and con...



    There is no comparison between the "competition" between FEDEX and UPS on the one hand and the USPS on the other, and the health care "insurance" system Obama wants to set up. In the first place his argument blows up in his face, as FEDEX and UPS do a great job without taxpayer assistance, while the federal government can't run the USPS worth a damn. I just found out that it takes five days (!) for first class mail to get from San Diego, CA to Boise, ID. If the federal government can't run the postal service, mis-estimates the "cash for clunkers" cost by 1/3, and can't run Social Security or Medicare without them being eaten up by fraud, what makes anyone think that they can run our health care system?

    Actually Obama does not intend for the "private option" to survive - the cards are stacked against it. What private employer is going to continue to provide health care insurance when he/she can just pay a fine of 8% of their payroll and put their employees on the public plan? There was also a provision that private insurers could sign no new insureds after January 1 of the year the health care bill becomes effective. It is highly doubtful that the private option would survive for even five years if one of these plans were adopted.

    If this were actually about cutting and controlling the costs of health care, the top item on the list would have been tort reform - putting a cap on general damages in medical malpractice cases and making it "loser pay", so that trial lawyers don't get a free ride, run up tens of thousands in defense fees and then simply walk away if they lose.

    Obama has, in the past, been very fortthright in his admissions that he wants a single payer system, and he has always said that he can't get it right away but it will follow in a decade, 15 or 20 years!

    Hollywood billionaire mogul David Geffen once said of the Clintons, when he switched from supporting Hillary to Obama, that "All politicians lie, it's just that they (the Clintons) do it so easily." Take a look Mr. Geffen, your new guy Barack Obama has them topped, by a mile!
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  • Getreal 2009/08/14 06:21:22
    It's like this....
    Getreal
    People are dumb who use Fed Ex and UPS. Postal is way cheaper. It is a service we have that is socialized. Like Fire, Police, Library, and many others. Socialism is not bad, but people paint it that way to make other ways look better.
  • P-Funk 2009/08/14 04:20:55
    FedEx and UPS operate differently ..........
    P-Funk
    +2
    They are well-managed by private sector interests, as health care and health insurance should be.

    USPS -- inefficient, bloated with bureaucracy, unresponsive to the market, and 50 years behind the times, is the PERFECT example of why government needs to stay out of health care.
  • Tpem 2009/08/13 20:01:18
    USPS is ........
    Tpem
    +2
    He is too stupid to know that he made a case against government run healthcare. Even John Stewart was making fun of him last night over this.
  • sickone 2009/08/13 17:01:22
    FedEx and UPS operate differently ..........
    sickone
    +1
    hes comparing apples to oranges
  • Spencer 2009/08/13 16:47:04
    FedEx and UPS operate differently ..........
    Spencer
    +1
    There is no comparison to be made here. The government has set up a standard to lay out an unfair playing field there. Who would not rather send mail through ups or fedex than the postoffice but yet only one is allowed to do door to door service hmmmm can you guess which one that is. To even make the camparisson is a joke.
  • Dagon 2009/08/13 14:24:01
  • Formulablinta 2009/08/13 07:32:22
    FedEx and UPS operate differently ..........
    Formulablinta
    +2
    Course its REALISTIC, the GOVERNMENT is involved in the POST OFFICE, it has ISSUES
    The other two run much more efficiently, and are NOT in the mess the Post office is.
    Its that simple!!
  • tracie 'American patriot" 2009/08/13 07:31:30
    It's like this....
    tracie 'American patriot"
    +1
    He has no clue!!!
  • Magic Twanger 2009/08/13 05:52:26
    USPS is ........
    Magic Twanger
    +2
    USPS is poorly run, badly managed and is the source of it's own problems. Obummer's example just illustrates how really stupid he is, he know nothing about business at all and he should just shut up, sit down and stop screwing with stuff he knows nothing about.
  • Sheila 2009/08/13 04:53:09
    It's like this....
    Sheila
    +1
    It takes a real idiot like Obama to prove the point that two privately owned companies work better then the USPS goverment run business does while at the same time trying to make his government run Health Care sound like a good idea. work usps goverment run business government run health care sound
  • American Defender 2009/08/13 04:38:08
    FedEx and UPS operate differently ..........
    American Defender
    +1
    UPS and FEDEX are privately owned, and not a part of government. Therefore they will propsper and grow, where as the UPS will deminish and eventually go away. Just like Health Care.
  • lyle 2009/08/13 03:24:06
    It's like this....
    lyle
    +1
    What he really said was that the private sector does a
    much better job than government.....HAHAHAHA.......
    never leave home without your Tellie !!!!!
  • E.G. 2009/08/13 03:23:37
    USPS is ........
    E.G.
    I think that if FEDEX and UPS combined they would rival the USPS. To show how similar the new company would be to the USPS they could call themselves F-UPS.
  • magmaman 2009/08/13 03:22:02
    It's like this....
    magmaman
    +2
    He just proved that private companies work better than the government companies, that is why socialized medicine would never work.
  • Sheila magmaman 2009/08/13 04:57:02
    Sheila
    +1
    He really should not go anywhere without that darn telepromter should he??
  • Willl 2009/08/13 02:37:14
    It's like this....
    Willl
    +1
    I do not want to say anything bad about our postal workers. They are hard working Americans just as anyone of us. The problem is the MANAGEMENT. The part of any organization that either makes the enterprise flourish or go down the drain by decision making.
    Very simple; post office - profit funneled back to the federal budget.
    FedEx (non-union) and UPS (union) - profit funneled to these bad, bad capitalistic, corrupt, corporate greedy CEO's and only small portion of the profit is funneled to the federal budget.
    Federal taxes paid by post office - none.
    Federal taxes paid by greedy corporations (do not know the amount but even if it is $1.00, it is better than none).
    Burden on taxpayers - post office - $6,000,000,000.00.
    Burden on taxpayers - FedEx and UPS - contribution of $1.00 (forget payroll taxes).
    Crooked insurance companies right now contributing to the federal budget $1.00 a year.
    Public health insurance option taking $100,000,000,000.00 out of federal budget for the next 10 years and beyond.
    I am not a math wiz but something does not click with this picture since I am and will be a contributor to the federal budget for the next 10 years and beyond.
  • SouthernB 2009/08/13 02:18:31
    It's like this....
    SouthernB
    +1
    ...the analogy is not valid. If the post office fails, we are going to be inconvenienced. If the government health care system fails (after they slam it on us), we are going to be dead. The consequences are so vastly different that the analogy is not really applicable.
  • NObama08 - "Fed up with gov... 2009/08/13 01:59:19
    It's like this....
    NObama08 - "Fed up with government"
    +1
    I just find it hilarious that he is pushing his gov't healthcare plan as the answer but yet the USPS is having problems!!! Hmmmmmm!!!!!
  • American Male 2009/08/13 01:42:01
    It's like this....
    American Male
    +1
    that was most likely the dumbest damned comment i have ever heard from a man, not to mention a US president
  • concerned 2009/08/13 00:47:44
    It's like this....
    concerned
    +1
    They are truly competing .. and doing fine while doing it ...
  • Jwalden... concerned 2009/08/13 00:53:36
    Jwalden --- Constitution Party
    truly competing?
    how truly when UPS and the others cannot set up equal postal style delivery options.
    Look at the 2 vids.


  • concerned Jwalden... 2009/08/13 03:05:37
    concerned
    +1
    They are not going out of business like the republicans claim would happen with the private sector competing against the government ...that was the argument ... both fedx and ups have been in business for years competing against the government postal
  • Jwalden... concerned 2009/08/13 06:11:49
    Jwalden --- Constitution Party
    but not in an honest hundred percent competition. As the vids state, the private companies are prevented from competing in the postal route area of delivery.
    That is kept and assgned to the Postal Service alone.
  • concerned Jwalden... 2009/08/13 15:44:05
    concerned
    i do not know about that .. becasue in my area i get fedx and ups and postal ...
  • Jwalden... concerned 2009/08/13 15:58:39
    Jwalden --- Constitution Party
    yes, most people do. But try to set a postal route delivery via FedEx.
  • concerned Jwalden... 2009/08/13 16:05:58
    concerned
    i have never had a problem getting anything delivered .. thru either one of them ..
  • Jwalden... concerned 2009/08/13 16:09:35
    Jwalden --- Constitution Party
    Again. UPS and FedEx are only permitted to perform 'specific' deliveries. They are not allowed to deliver daily mail.
  • concerned Jwalden... 2009/08/13 16:11:43
    concerned
    no they are not i the mail delivery business but they are truly in the package delivery business ... and are doing just fine ...
  • Jwalden... concerned 2009/08/13 16:13:46
    Jwalden --- Constitution Party
    True, and that is the point. The comparison that Obama gives is a null comparison.
  • concerned Jwalden... 2009/08/13 16:21:36
    concerned
    no it is a true one .. because the postal is government delivery mail and packages .. and fedx and ups .. delivery package also ... both private and goverment in business togather side by side ...
  • Jwalden... concerned 2009/08/13 16:24:15
    Jwalden --- Constitution Party
    not honestly side by side, because the 2 are restricted by law to packages, yet USPS is allowed to ship anything.
    look at the videos
  • concerned Jwalden... 2009/08/13 16:27:34
    concerned
    that is the from of buiness they choose to go into .. right beside the postal center ... and they both are doing very well .. the only business still hiring thur this recession ... so what the hell happen to the rest of the private sector ...
  • Jwalden... concerned 2009/08/13 16:30:46
    Jwalden --- Constitution Party
    They chose the Delivery business, and have tried to move to home postal delivery and the Government has forbidden that.
    If you don't want to see the video then admit you do not care.
  • concerned Jwalden... 2009/08/13 18:28:01
    concerned
    thye choose to open up as package delivery an have done well in that area against the government ... just as insurance companies will ... that is the question .. competing against government successfully .. not wanting more ... the insurance does not break down the same as postal ... butit does shown competetion is there ... when the repubilicans said it wasn't ... that is the question ... plus the insurance companies are already standing .. within healthcare .. it is government that isn't .. and the competetion between ups and fed and the government have shown to be quit compettive ... and ups and fedx have grown ..
  • OLD CRACKER 2009/08/12 22:17:10
    It's like this....
    OLD CRACKER
    +2
    The post office is as fuc^ked up as obama. The same people who run social security, the VA, ACORN, and FCC want to control our health care. Anyone who supports the federal government to do anything is beyond crazy. Obama is worse than Hitler.
  • roger 2009/08/12 21:27:19
    It's like this....
    roger
    +2
    The problem is we listen to these pony salesman...and he gets tongued tied and doesn't know that he does not know anymore more about this hogwash than we know...I don't buy it!
  • Forum Cruiser 2009/08/12 21:12:17
    It's like this....
    Forum Cruiser
    +2
    It was one of the dumbest things I have heard a president say in a very long time. I have family members working for both Fedex and UPS and using them as examples in promoting BO's health care program is just foolishness.
  • dico 2009/08/12 20:46:13
    USPS is ........
    dico
    +5
    He is a Moron.. with a capital M...

    I am speechless!!

    the man made our case.. and he did not even know it until his handlers had to take valium drips..

    shows how sheltered this idiot is.. or dumb as a brick....OK BOTH...
  • littleb... dico 2009/08/12 23:20:22
    littlebuffalo55TBA
    +5
    In the Immortal words of Bugs Bunny: "What a MaROON!!!"
  • dico littleb... 2009/08/13 01:40:25

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