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Is Obama's 2008 Campaign Slogan of 'Hope and Change' Still Real or Is It Laughable?

Chris D 2012/08/09 18:00:00
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There are ugly ads and dirty politics on both sides this year for the 2012 presidential election. Obama Deputy Campaign Manager Stephanie Cutter has been accused of lying of her knowledge of the the latest attack ad's contents.

In case you missed it, there was an Obama Super PAC ad trying to link Romney to a woman's death from cancer because he ran a business that needed to close a factory. A man lost his health insurance and his wife died because they could not afford the treatment. Hanging that on Mitt Romney is a horrific claim. Even Democrats agree. In fact, it seems like the lowest form of dirty politics we have seen in recent memory.

I would expect this sort of thing from most politicians but it was coming from the guy whose 2008 campaign slogan was "Hope and Change." Maybe he meant "I hope not to change anything in Washington" -- because that's what it looking like. Do you still believe that Obama is trying to change the culture of Washington in a positive way or is it more business as usual?

FOXNEWS.COM reports:
Mitt Romney asked Thursday where all the hope and change has gone, as President Obama's supporters pressed ahead with plans to air a misleading TV ad and a top campaign aide was accused of lying about her knowledge of its contents.
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  • Ozymandias Preside... 2012/08/14 20:57:26
    Ozymandias
    They're not that fiscally responsible if they want to cut out all the social programs for the poor and give all the money to the rich.
  • Preside... Ozymandias 2012/08/14 22:21:11
  • Ozymandias Preside... 2012/08/14 22:25:44
    Ozymandias
    The local and state levels ARE social programs.
  • Preside... Ozymandias 2012/08/14 22:47:21
    President Camacho
    Neither the president nor vice president have ANY say overstate and local programs.
  • Ozymandias Preside... 2012/08/15 01:25:01
    Ozymandias
    Actually they do. The states still answer to the federal government.
  • Preside... Ozymandias 2012/08/15 16:53:40
    President Camacho
    But they shouldn't except as specifically noted in the Constitution. We have obliterated State rights.
  • Ozymandias Preside... 2012/08/15 19:02:04
    Ozymandias
    States DO have rights. The Constitution says they must still answer to the federal government, but are able to govern themselves as long as it adheres to the U.S. Constitution.

    If we're going to let all the states govern themselves entirely, then we might as well grant them their sovereignty and become a continent of 50 different countries. Then maybe they can rename the south Jesusland or something.
  • Preside... Ozymandias 2012/08/15 19:26:47
    President Camacho
    Hey DB read what I wrote .
  • Ozymandias Preside... 2012/08/15 20:15:26
    Ozymandias
    I read every word.
  • Preside... Ozymandias 2012/08/16 00:16:56
    President Camacho
    Too bad you didn't understand it DB.
  • Ozymandias Preside... 2012/08/16 01:06:57
    Ozymandias
    Oh, I do. You just wish I'd interpreted it he way you wanted me to.
  • Preside... Ozymandias 2012/08/14 22:22:19
    President Camacho
    Obama would have us all poor...at his singular discretion that is.
  • Ozymandias Preside... 2012/08/14 22:25:55
    Ozymandias
    Well we're not all poor now.
  • Preside... Ozymandias 2012/08/14 22:48:32
  • Ozymandias Preside... 2012/08/15 01:25:41
  • Preside... Ozymandias 2012/08/15 16:51:40
    President Camacho
    That's silly. We only care about fiscal responsibility and constitutionally limited government not white privilege
  • Ozymandias Preside... 2012/08/15 19:02:40
    Ozymandias
    If you care about fiscal responsibility, then stop giving tax cuts and starting wars. Talk is cheap.
  • Preside... Ozymandias 2012/08/15 19:28:56
  • Ozymandias Preside... 2012/08/15 20:16:49
    Ozymandias
    Code Pink? Sorry that term is so obsolete. My apologies if you think that helping out the poor and working class is socialism while throwing away money to the rich is good for business. I can't help you with that 20th Century thinking. Just know that's not going to solve these 21st Century problems but only exacerbate them.
  • Preside... Ozymandias 2012/08/16 00:16:28
    President Camacho
    Helping people is great but not at gunpoint. Throwing away money to the rich? LoL
  • Ozymandias Preside... 2012/08/16 01:07:42
    Ozymandias
    Yes, throwing away money to the rich is Reaganomics. Anyway, I'm done arguing because I've got better things to do with my time. The last word is all yours. Cheers!
  • Preside... Ozymandias 2012/08/16 01:11:42
    President Camacho
    Lol that's silly.
  • gunner Ozymandias 2012/08/14 14:39:57
    gunner
    They already are nationalised with all the controls. OK, so what next? How about the shoe industry. We still have one don`t we? Or, bicycle industry? We could nationalise it. We still make bikes right?Then lets do the food. Everyone must have food. So, we`ll take what we want then let the masses fight over whats left. You`re on a slippery slope. If I were a bank owner and heard the Gov. planning that. I`d blow my bank up.After paying all the depositors their money. My profits, I`d keep and disappear. That kind of world does not deserve the inventor, the doctor, the entrepreneur,the dentist. ETC. Neither is it entitled to those services. Now, I`m not happy with the banks, mind you. But I`m even less happy with the solution you propose.
  • Ozymandias gunner 2012/08/14 14:53:10
    Ozymandias
    +1
    Nationalizing the food industry might not be a bad idea when there are companies like Monsanto out there trying to destroy us.
  • gunner Ozymandias 2012/08/15 01:08:06
    gunner
    I do agree with your Monsanto comment. However; no one has a right to food, shelter, medicine, or any other commodity. Nor do they have a right to anything someone else produces. Including a share of his income. To claim such as a right is to place themselves on the level of a thief. Just my opinion, and I live it. I will share if asked. I will not, if faced with a demand. For the banks? I keep as little as possible in one. I don`t trust them at all. It`s hard to find an honest banker as it is an honest lawyer. Somehow, it must be genetically bred out of them. But, they follow the rules and laws. So, I`d blame Congress.
  • Ozymandias gunner 2012/08/15 01:26:57
    Ozymandias
    +1
    Why doesn't anyone have a right to food, shelter, medicine, or commodities like school? This is a democracy and what our forefathers and ancestors came here for. People who hate having government and paying taxes should move to Somalia.
  • gunner Ozymandias 2012/08/15 01:32:21
    gunner
    OK, let me try explaining. If I have a garden and produce 1 bushel of sweet corn. Lets say, I only need 1/2 bushel for my own consumption. Is the other un-needed half still mine? Is it mine to sell, burn, do what I want with it? I can give it away or throw it away. What is socially acceptable?
  • Ozymandias gunner 2012/08/15 01:36:02
    Ozymandias
    +1
    What's socially acceptable certainly isn't using Agent Orange as a pesticide. I'd sell the other half if I were you.
  • gunner Ozymandias 2012/08/15 01:43:18
    gunner
    +1
    Good solution. I smelled Agent Orange in beautiful SE Asia, in the late 60`s. Good grief, when I was a kid in Pa. , the power companies would spray the under growth below the cross country power lines with DDT. Smells the same. My Dad even had some he sprayed around the place to kill off the poison ivy. We knew it was harmful, so we didn`t mess around those areas till it dried.
  • Preside... gunner 2012/08/14 23:59:16
    President Camacho
    +1
    Obama has stated he wants to do all industries like he did gm
  • gunner Preside... 2012/08/15 01:12:46
    gunner
    +1
    We have so few left, it shouldn`t be to hard. Something is screwed up with the coal industry. I see ads and get mail promoting clean coal energy. At the same time, the Obama folks are doing what they can to shut it down. Why? More solyndras in the works? He,(obama) seems to have a negative midas touch.
  • Al B Th... Ozymandias 2012/08/13 02:19:31
    Al B Thayer
    Well the hell he didn't! If it didn't turn around he was expecting to be a one term Pres. REMEMBER?
  • Ozymandias Al B Th... 2012/08/13 05:35:56
    Ozymandias
    +2
    No, I don't. I remember he inherited more challenges than any other President since FDR. I couldn't expect him to clean up the mess Bush made in just two years and be able to get much more done with Congress filibustering done, yet he's still accomplished a lot.
  • Preside... Ozymandias 2012/08/13 13:48:19
    President Camacho
    Lol he had congress for two years d.b. even now, dozens of house bills rot in the senate because Reid won't allow them to the floor. Democrats are the blockage
  • Ozymandias Preside... 2012/08/13 18:41:11
    Ozymandias
    Oh no! Here we go again. I love how the Repubs always bring that up. You apparently didn't read the past post. The Great Recession wasn't really going to end in two years. Like I said, the economy was in the worst shape than it's been in the Great Depression. The recession bottomed out in 2009, but the economy started recovering. It hasn't fully recovered. I've noticed the GOP bashes him for it all the time, but none of them ever offer any solutions.
  • Preside... Ozymandias 2012/08/13 20:06:26
    President Camacho
    +1
    It was in recovery before any Obama policy started...in early 2009. His policies stalled the recovery which is where we sit. 4 dozen bipartisan house bills sitting in. Reid's office gathering dust.
  • Preside... Preside... 2012/08/13 20:08:29
    President Camacho
    +1
    Uncertainty of Obama is what killed recovery.
  • Ozymandias Preside... 2012/08/13 21:29:21
    Ozymandias
    Baloney!
  • Preside... Ozymandias 2012/08/14 02:34:12
    President Camacho
    +1
    Salami and bacon...
  • Al B Th... Ozymandias 2012/08/14 01:33:10
    Al B Thayer
    Bush bashing is so yesterday. I'm bored.

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