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Is Obama versus Romney SOCIALISM versus CAPITALISM?

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  • Tinka123 2012/07/13 15:07:33
    NO [explain why you think not].
    Tinka123
    +6
    Do Capitalists champion the bailouts of failing institutions? No.

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  • sean.v.wolf 2012/11/04 04:12:01
    NO [explain why you think not].
    sean.v.wolf
    Obama has protected private property, retained 'capitalist' safe havens, and has seen a first term that has expanded the amount of millionaires in the US.
    Romney has advanced socialist programs and feels government regulation is a necessity, even when his Republican critics had expressed wholesale removal of them.
    There have been many 'socialist' presidents who have secured 'capitalist' initiatives and 'capitalist' presidents who have expended political capital enacting 'socialist' programs.
  • Michael=Constitution & Liberty 2012/07/14 00:21:34
    NO [explain why you think not].
    Michael=Constitution & Liberty
  • KAREN JAMES 2012/07/13 22:16:05
    NO [explain why you think not].
    KAREN JAMES
    Obama vs Willard is the American people vs People who have $$$ off of American shores.
  • none 2012/07/13 20:13:06
    YES [tell us why you think so].
    none
    Romney know business and that's capitalism, Obama knows how to spend other peoples money for social services and government intervention.
  • KarenInKenoshaWisconsin 2012/07/13 17:10:28
    NO [explain why you think not].
    KarenInKenoshaWisconsin
    Stupid false dilemma.
  • john Kills 2012/07/13 16:33:02
    NO [explain why you think not].
    john Kills
    +2
    Dumney also supports the patriot act, TSA/homeland security, NDAA, spy drones.......... People aren't even trying to learn about the condidates. It's stupid party loyalty that has created the mess we're in.
  • ScottyG - Faqueue 2012/07/13 15:39:43
    YES [tell us why you think so].
    ScottyG - Faqueue
    We are broke. Obie wants to grow govt, add more public sector union taxpayer supported tax sucking jobs. And these jobs will put taxpayers on the hook for public sector pensions for years to come.

    Isn't that why many cities and states are in fiscal crap now?

    They keep talking about growing the middle class by more govt jobs. They've added 10X more govt jobs than Bush did and unemployment gets worse.

    The formula ain't working.
  • sean.v.... ScottyG... 2012/11/04 05:10:47 (edited)
    sean.v.wolf
    +2
    That's actually untrue. Government jobs have been reduced drastically, while the private sector has (with the exception of manufacturing) been growing. While doing this, during the Obama administration, average annual job growth of 0.75% has exceeded both Bush administration's annual growth rates ( 0.69% Bush 1; 0.51% Bush 2a; -0.84% Bush 2b).

    The problem is that recovering from a free fall takes time. the -0.84% Bush 2 left behind isn't being offset by the 0.75% the Obama administration is overseeing. Why? Because there are more people growing up than jobs being created.

    And your assumption on tax sucking jobs is a fallacy.
    1948:
    top tax rate: above 80%
    unemployment rate: 4%.

    1980:
    top tax rate: 70%
    unemployment rate: 7.5%.

    2010: top tax rate 35%
    unemployment rate: 9.5%.

    The formula doesn't work for you because you have no idea what you are talking about. Hopefully, this helps.
  • Cliff 2012/07/13 15:30:17
    YES [tell us why you think so].
    Cliff
    +1
    Obama believes government is the solution but government is the problem. Romney believes in the miracle of capitalism that has provided the best path to improving the quality of life that the world has ever known.
  • Charge 2012/07/13 15:26:56
    YES [tell us why you think so].
    Charge
    With Obama it's more Communism or Authoritarianism. Obama looks to usurp our constitution and control the People of the United States of America under the auspisis of the UN or NWO.
  • mwg0735 2012/07/13 15:08:23
  • Tinka123 2012/07/13 15:07:33
    NO [explain why you think not].
    Tinka123
    +6
    Do Capitalists champion the bailouts of failing institutions? No.
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/07/13 14:56:45
    YES [tell us why you think so].
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    And Romney is a "Socialist" FOR THE WEALTHY!!
  • mwg0735 Lady Wh... 2012/07/13 15:09:56
  • Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮ 2012/07/13 14:50:44
    NO [explain why you think not].
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +5
    Romney a capitalist? That's almost as bad as saying Goldman Sachs and other huge welfare queens that live off special subsidies, bailouts and so on are capitalitst

    Besides, he definitely has never been a capitalist in public office. His record in Massachusetts proves it.
    same joker different party
  • Lady Wh... Dan ☮ R... 2012/07/13 14:56:17
    Lady Whitewolf
    AGREED!
  • U-Dog 2012/07/13 14:38:06
    NO [explain why you think not].
    U-Dog
    +3
    They are both progressive collectivist mobsters and the only minor differences between the Demopublican candidates are the "made for idiot" rhetoric and what would best be described, IMO, as Top Down Crony-cap Fascism vs. Top Down Crony-cap Fascism-lite.

    differences demopublican candidates idiot rhetoric imo crony-cap fascism crony-cap fascism-lite
  • tncdel U-Dog 2012/07/13 14:41:47
    tncdel
    +2
    Romney help start up Staples company and ran many other businesses. Obama never ran a lemonade stand. Romney is pro-business, pro-life, pro-America, pro-family, and has helped create jobs. They are as different as night and day.
  • U-Dog tncdel 2012/07/13 15:07:13
    U-Dog
    +2
    Romney can be as pro-BIG-business, pro-life, pro-America, pro-family as he likes, but being a more efficient semi-feudal corporatist jailer who allows the prisoners a few more links in their chain does not make him a constitutionalists liberty lover or freedom fighter. He will at best slow down the top heavy USS Amerika but we will still be headed straight for Serfdom Rock.

    Look at the progressive Demopublican record over the last century, the Republicans can yap all they like about standing for the constitution and freedom but both corrupt major party's have wheeled and dealed and colluded to support increasingly centralized too big to fail cronyism, destroy our individual liberties and debase our wealth.
  • Striker tncdel 2012/07/13 15:10:23 (edited)
    Striker
    +2
    RomneyCare and ZeroCare are different in substance or principle? Nope!
    Repeal and Replace is no answer.
  • mwg0735 tncdel 2012/07/13 15:10:51
  • sean.v.... tncdel 2012/11/04 05:39:01
    sean.v.wolf
    +1
    Romney threw money at Staples. They did the heavy lifting. Obama ran a $100 million organization, hired, fired and did management. He also made millions as an author, which contrary to popular belief, is pretty hard to do and does take a special type of entrepreneur.

    Romney has also been known to be pro-regulation, pro-choice, and also disassembled jobs to gain a profit for himself and his clients. Romney and Romney are as different as night and day.
  • AM 2012/07/13 14:32:59 (edited)
    YES [tell us why you think so].
    AM
    +1
    Romney is a proven entity as a capitalist garnering success.obama pushes the redistributive failures of everyone from past mao zedong to present day Greece and Spain to Cuba and Venezuela.Only peasant societies believe in limited goods.The more your neighbor earns the less someone else gets with profits seen as some sort of theft they must be either hidden or redistributed.Envy rather than admiration of success reigns under the current administration.In contrast America began with a very different idea:Autonomous citizen,not indentured servant or subsistence peasant.When the small independent was left to their own talents that success was protected by and from government creating new sources of of wealth for everyone.Too Easy? The result was clear America is the testament the standard for the free world to this legacy of freedom of the individual in the widest political and economic sense.Exactly what Romney has done and believes in.So it's a clear choice pick up the pieces of what has not been destroyed by obama and the progressive agenda or fall deeper into the downward spiral of failure and poverty.
  • Diane Spraggs Yates 2012/07/13 13:54:08
    YES [tell us why you think so].
    Diane Spraggs Yates
    +2
    Capitalism is where Everyone has a chance at sucess with hard work but Socialism is a government run it is where government allows you to be a pion !
  • George Romney 2012/07/13 13:46:15
    NO [explain why you think not].
    George Romney
    Well first because Socialism is a form of Capitalism. But more importantly because both Romney and Obama have government intervention in their plans. Romney and Obama both intervene to save the big financial corporations and entities (Obama loves the big Unions while Romney loves the big investment banks) while not intervening on behalf of the average worker (Obama is artificially allowing the auto industry's unsustainable practices to go on and just makes more jobs go overseas or down south to low-wage states while shipping jobs to China is Romney's game)
  • tncdel George ... 2012/07/13 14:45:22
    tncdel
    You have a misconception then about the capitalism and socialism. Further, it was Obama, not Romney, who outsourced millions of jobs, to China, etc. Including also outsourcing millions more jobs RIGHT UNDER OUR VERY NOSES. Issuing over a million work permits to illegal aliens. And also issuing over 3 million work visas to foreign nationals. See:
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
  • mwg0735 tncdel 2012/07/13 15:12:11 (edited)
  • George ... tncdel 2012/07/13 16:19:25
    George Romney
    It's not outsourcing when it's foreigners coming here, it's called immigration (the legal kind, which is what we desperately need rather than the illegal variety).

    Further, Socialism is Government-demand in Capitalism. Essentially, the Government acts with greater control of the market, but it is still a market, nonetheless. Regardless, we clearly agree on most of these issues, so an argument wouldn't really make much sense.
  • HarleyCharley 2012/07/13 13:39:04
    YES [tell us why you think so].
    HarleyCharley
    +1
    that's what they believe...
  • dear•LT13☻ 2012/07/13 13:37:23
    NO [explain why you think not].
    dear•LT13☻
    +3
    It's LIAR vs LIAR
  • I. Car Rus 2012/07/13 13:35:51
    NO [explain why you think not].
    I. Car Rus
    +2
    No, I think its CHAOS vs. CHAOS.
  • tncdel 2012/07/13 13:33:57
    YES [tell us why you think so].
    tncdel
    +3
    Our nation was founded upon principles of capitalism giving individuals the opportunity to succeed. Not a welfare state.
  • Nimitz 2012/07/13 13:33:45 (edited)
    NO [explain why you think not].
    Nimitz
    +5
    True capitalism hasn't existed in the U.S. since Santa Clara V. Southern Pacific. Romney versus Obama is Mussolinian socialism versus Marxian socialism. Same turd, different wrapper.

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