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Is Obama ultimately responsible for suppling guns to the Mexican Drug Cartels?

CAPISCE 2012/06/21 08:47:40
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  • Wolf 2012/06/21 08:54:51
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    Wolf
    +5
    Especially since he lied about this several times and now is hiding the facts...this adds another act of Treason to his other five...it is time to prosecute and get this criminal out of office...

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  • neonskittle77 2012/12/20 19:14:45
    YES
    neonskittle77
    It is especially frightening to me that he supplied criminals with guns and now he wants to limit the availability of guns to the good citizens of America. I've never went into a school with a gun why should my rights be taken away from me. Why should I be murdered instead of having the capability of defending myself against a murderer. WTF Obama!
  • Al Thompson, R.E.A., C.E.I. 2012/06/22 08:42:45
    YES
    Al Thompson, R.E.A., C.E.I.
    +1
    Obama knew and Holder knew -- right from the beginning about "Fast & Furious". Regarding Obama's exercising "Executive Privilege", it is usually used when the President is directly involved in a case or a law (of which he and Holder originally denied any knowledge (BS!). He had to use it to try to save himself, Holder and his administration. "Fast & Furious" is Obama's Watergate .. but it's 100 times more serious! Good luck trying to weasel out of this one, Obama & Holder! 2013
  • Ken 2012/06/22 03:10:13
    YES
    Ken
  • No nonsense NanC...don't BS... 2012/06/21 23:33:59
    YES
    No nonsense NanC...don't BS me!
    +1
    It is his administration, who are obsessed about gun control legislation. I think
    that is the reason they initiated F&F.......; merely to collect data to back up the
    need for gun control legislation... Too bad none of their people in command had
    any idea how to collect data...... which is founded upon the basis of keeping track
    of their guns. They thought they could just find those guns at a crime scene and
    establish that they came from America. Too bad two of the crime scenes included
    the murder of two federal agents!

    What a bunch of know nothing amateurs. Isn't that what Bill Clinton called 0bama?
  • Charles E 2012/06/21 22:01:35
    YES
    Charles E
    +1
    His administration oversaw the illegal transfer of guns to Mexican criminals. They are responsible!

    If Mexico wants to prosecute them for the deaths of hundreds of Mexican citizens I say let them have Obama and Holder.
  • ☆Warthog - PWCM - JLA☆ 2012/06/21 22:00:22
    YES
    ☆Warthog - PWCM - JLA☆
    +2
    Any manager/supervisor IS responsible for the actions of their people. In this case, even more so in my opinion because I believe that Obama knew and help create the plan.
  • Dogzebra 2012/06/21 21:39:14
    YES
    Dogzebra
    +2
    It's just one of his many ploys to put a stranglehold on the 2nd Amendment.
  • cmdrbnd007 2012/06/21 21:02:26
    YES
    cmdrbnd007
    +2
    According to President Harry Truman "The buck stops here."
  • gbudavid 2012/06/21 20:59:22
    YES
    gbudavid
    +2
    Sure as Hell... He handed the opposition the smoking gun with the executive privilege BS.
  • T Bevan 2012/06/21 18:01:09
    YES
    T Bevan
    +2
    Everything known at this time makes it look like he is THE MAN...

    Obummer is now guilty of treason against Americian citizens....
  • Sheila 2012/06/21 16:58:54
    YES
    Sheila
    +2
    Would have chosed undecided if I had been given that option.

    I would not have gone that far until he did the executive privilege thing...seems to be an answer all by itself there....
  • flaca BN-0 2012/06/21 15:33:25
    NO
    flaca BN-0
    The ATF did the same thing under the previous administration.
  • CAPISCE flaca BN-0 2012/06/21 15:47:10
    CAPISCE
    +2
    It's 2012. Obama is in office now
  • Sheila flaca BN-0 2012/06/21 17:01:25
    Sheila
    +2
    The problem is, the "same tactic" under heavy criticism by the House Oversight Committee was not used under President Bush. Operation Fast and Furious started in Fall 2009 and was an offshoot of the Project Gunrunner program implemented under the Bush Administration. Project Gunrunner started as a pilot program in Laredo, Texas and went national in 2006. Project Gunrunner involved the surveillance of straw purchasers buying weapons, but those purchasers were immediately apprehended before crossing back into Mexico or tranferring arms to dangerous criminals. Shortly after Obama took office, Operation Fast and Furious allowed straw purchasers working for Mexican drug cartels to purchase mass amount of weapons in the United States and then take them back to Mexico in addition to allowing them to be lost at stash houses and tranferred to dangerous cartel members. ATF agents who have testified before Congress about the program said the idea was to "trace" those weapons, but the tracing ended up being a total failure as GPS batteries ran out and thousands of guns were lost in Mexico and only found at final violent crime scenes. Did both operations allow for straw purchasers to buy guns under ATF/DOJ surveillance? Yes, however, the key difference between Operation Fast and Furious un...





    The problem is, the "same tactic" under heavy criticism by the House Oversight Committee was not used under President Bush. Operation Fast and Furious started in Fall 2009 and was an offshoot of the Project Gunrunner program implemented under the Bush Administration. Project Gunrunner started as a pilot program in Laredo, Texas and went national in 2006. Project Gunrunner involved the surveillance of straw purchasers buying weapons, but those purchasers were immediately apprehended before crossing back into Mexico or tranferring arms to dangerous criminals. Shortly after Obama took office, Operation Fast and Furious allowed straw purchasers working for Mexican drug cartels to purchase mass amount of weapons in the United States and then take them back to Mexico in addition to allowing them to be lost at stash houses and tranferred to dangerous cartel members. ATF agents who have testified before Congress about the program said the idea was to "trace" those weapons, but the tracing ended up being a total failure as GPS batteries ran out and thousands of guns were lost in Mexico and only found at final violent crime scenes. Did both operations allow for straw purchasers to buy guns under ATF/DOJ surveillance? Yes, however, the key difference between Operation Fast and Furious under Obama and Project Gunrunner under Bush is that under Obama guns were allowed to go back into Mexico without interdiction or arrests. According to Chairman of the House Oversight Committee Darrell Issa, straw purchaser arrests and prosecutions have been way down under this administration, so much so it's almost as if the Obama Justice Department has no interest in prosecuting illegal straw purchasers at all. (A straw purchaser is someone who buys guns illegally for those who cannot buy them. In this case, cartels members can't buy guns, so they hired "straw purchasers" to buy weapons for them)

    Although "Operation Wide Receiver" does need more looking into, for the Associated Press to try and turn the pressure away from President Obama's Attorney General Eric Holder, who may soon be facing perjury charges, onto the Bush Administration is both predictable and non-factual. The "same tactics" under heavy criticism were not used under Bush.



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  • CAPISCE Sheila 2012/06/21 18:50:22
  • Sheila CAPISCE 2012/06/21 19:19:01 (edited)
    Sheila
    +1
    Jay did you READ what I posted??? What I posted refuted the other person said and does NOT support the "Bush did it" bs.

    Or am I misunderstanding this post? LOL, that is always a possibliity!
  • CAPISCE Sheila 2012/06/21 19:48:20
    CAPISCE
    +1
    It was directed at someone else. Sorry if my post was confusing
  • Sheila CAPISCE 2012/06/21 20:12:26
    Sheila
    No problem. I got confused as I saw you raved my other posts.... happens to us all sometimes!! Have a great afternoon!
  • T Bevan flaca BN-0 2012/06/21 18:07:18
    T Bevan
    +2
    Hummmm ,

    Lets see...

    They notified Mexician government , did O & H?

    They had tracking on every gun , did O & H?

    They notified Local Law Enforcment , did O & H?

    They providied written documanition to alll concerned , did O & H?

    They followed the weapons to set up proscuation , did O & H?

    Yup , they did the same thing alright....

    hang obama
  • CAPISCE T Bevan 2012/06/21 18:50:50
    CAPISCE
    +2
    Bravo!
  • Sheila CAPISCE 2012/06/21 19:20:13 (edited)
    Sheila
    Sigh......
  • Al Thom... flaca BN-0 2012/06/22 08:44:11
    Al Thompson, R.E.A., C.E.I.
    Not to this extent and not with the death count.
  • Al Thom... flaca BN-0 2012/06/22 08:45:57
  • mrdog 2012/06/21 14:34:08
    YES
    mrdog
    +3
    But this only a guess for me.... O doesn't have my trust and confidence...never did..
    i must say... One and Done...bark
  • Sgt Major B 2012/06/21 14:09:49
    YES
    Sgt Major B
    +2
    He needs to take a cue from one of his predecessors...

    Truman
  • Sheila Sgt Maj... 2012/06/21 17:02:15
    Sheila
    +2
    The difference between a man and a child is the ability to accept responsibility.
  • CAPISCE Sheila 2012/06/21 18:51:34
    CAPISCE
    +1
    And it's the difference between Liberals and the rest of the world
  • Reichstolz 2012/06/21 13:58:19
    YES
    Reichstolz
    +3
    His agenda, his white house, his AG.
  • BrianD3 2012/06/21 11:50:32
    YES
    BrianD3
    +2
    this is his Watergate moment!
  • CAPISCE BrianD3 2012/06/21 14:43:07
    CAPISCE
    +1
    Worse, nobody died from watergate
  • S. Gompers 2012/06/21 09:40:52
    YES
    S. Gompers
    +2
    In this particular instance, however it has happened before (arms to unsavory groups) in America and that would be the fault of the other Presidents as well.

    Some things will never change...
  • JoeBtfsplk 2012/06/21 09:11:33
    YES
    JoeBtfsplk
    +1
    Seguro que si!
  • CAPISCE JoeBtfsplk 2012/06/21 09:14:20
  • Wolf 2012/06/21 08:54:51
    YES
    Wolf
    +5
    Especially since he lied about this several times and now is hiding the facts...this adds another act of Treason to his other five...it is time to prosecute and get this criminal out of office...
  • CAPISCE 2012/06/21 08:48:36
  • Sheila CAPISCE 2012/06/21 17:03:39
    Sheila
    LOL, I had not connected those 2 before. Maybe he wants to grant amnesty so they won't be killed by guns he allowed to walk.....

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