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Is Obama quietly but steadily dismantling the U.S. of A.?

Quietman ~PWCM~JLA 2012/08/22 20:09:11
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For example, the merits or demerits of President Obama's recent executive order, suspending legal liability for young people who are here illegally, presumably as a result of being brought here as children by their parents, can be debated pro and con. But such a debate overlooks the much more fundamental undermining of the whole American system of Constitutional government.


The separation of powers into legislative, executive and judicial branches of government is at the heart of the Constitution of the United States -- and the Constitution is at the heart of freedom for Americans.


No President of the United States is authorized to repeal parts of legislation passed by Congress. He may veto the whole legislation, but then Congress can override his veto if they have enough votes. Nevertheless, every President takes an oath to faithfully execute the laws that have been passed and sustained -- not just the ones he happens to agree with.


If laws passed by the elected representatives of the people can be simply over-ruled unilaterally by whoever is in the White House, then we are no longer a free people, choosing what laws we want to live under.


When a President can ignore the plain language of duly passed laws, and substitute his own executive orders, then we no longer have "a government of laws, and not of men" but a President ruling by decree, like the dictator in some banana republic.


When we confine our debates to the merits or demerits of particular executive orders, we are tacitly accepting arbitrary rule. The Constitution of the United States cannot protect us unless we protect the Constitution. But, if we allow ourselves to get bogged down in the details of particular policies imposed by executive orders, and vote solely on that basis, then we have failed to protect the Constitution -- and ourselves.

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  • DavE 2012/08/23 05:38:54 (edited)
    Yes
    DavE
    +19
    Without a doubt.

    His perverse abuses of our federal government's intended workings are just what Alinsky ordered. Obama WANTS our system of government to collapse. He is certainly proving that "three co-equal branches of government" and "checks and balances" are fictions under Obamunism. And Obama has a lot of help doing this . . . .

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  • jimrthy BN-0 2012/08/24 15:28:03
    Undecided
    jimrthy BN-0
    Well, he *is*. But it isn't like this is anything new.

    It got really blatant when FDR forced the Supreme Court to accept the New Deal. That's pretty much when they turned into a rubber stamp.

    Things like the individual income tax (still not Constitutional), the Federal Reserve, and getting entangled with foreign countries' international relations were catastrophes, back in the early 20th Century.

    Lincoln pretty much destroyed America when he sent federal troops against the States. Not to mention things like suspending habeus corpus, throwing dissenting judges into prison, and suppressing freedom of the press. It was around about this same time that corporations started their takeover of the government.

    Then again, it's not like Jefferson was innocent. And most people with a clue regard him as the major proponent of freedom in America. The Louisiana Purchase was blatantly unconstitutional.

    Despite the express recorded intent of the Constitution Convention (and the vocal opposition of Madison and Jefferson), George Washington listened to the monarchist Hamilton and signed the First Bank of the US into law. Thus setting us on the path of mercantilism (which was a huge part of what the Revolution was fought against). Leading us pretty much directly to the mess we have today.

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    Well, he *is*. But it isn't like this is anything new.

    It got really blatant when FDR forced the Supreme Court to accept the New Deal. That's pretty much when they turned into a rubber stamp.

    Things like the individual income tax (still not Constitutional), the Federal Reserve, and getting entangled with foreign countries' international relations were catastrophes, back in the early 20th Century.

    Lincoln pretty much destroyed America when he sent federal troops against the States. Not to mention things like suspending habeus corpus, throwing dissenting judges into prison, and suppressing freedom of the press. It was around about this same time that corporations started their takeover of the government.

    Then again, it's not like Jefferson was innocent. And most people with a clue regard him as the major proponent of freedom in America. The Louisiana Purchase was blatantly unconstitutional.

    Despite the express recorded intent of the Constitution Convention (and the vocal opposition of Madison and Jefferson), George Washington listened to the monarchist Hamilton and signed the First Bank of the US into law. Thus setting us on the path of mercantilism (which was a huge part of what the Revolution was fought against). Leading us pretty much directly to the mess we have today.

    The Constitution itself was a coup, initiated by a bunch of rich white guys who worried that the uppity peasants might actually succeed in one of the rebellions against the perceived tyranny of the new government.

    It's arguable that the Revolution itself was the first step toward destroying "America" (although it obviously couldn't have been called the US at the time). The Founding Fathers were some of the freest, most lightly taxed people in the history of the planet. The rich folk realized they could manipulate things even more effectively without Britain (and her mercantilst partners) interfering and drummed up the passions of patriotism, wrapped in the trappings of freedom, eventually driving England to war against us.

    This view and interpretation of American history may very be just as skewed as what's taught in public schools all over the country. But my point is that Obama isn't doing anything new, which is what this question seems to imply is happening.
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  • ready46xwu 2012/08/24 11:35:48
    Yes
    ready46xwu
    +1
    BARRY ahs an AGENDA!
    as he was PUT in OFFICE
    by those who R intent on
    DESTROYING US!
  • Doc 2012/08/24 01:30:19
    Yes
    Doc
    +3
    Except it's not all that quiet.
  • Kirby 2012/08/24 00:09:37
  • RTHTGakaRoland 2012/08/23 20:06:48
    Yes
    RTHTGakaRoland
    +4
    Since at least FDR's election the Left has been fighting a Cold Counter-Revolution to reverse the American Revolution, Obama is definitely warming up their war against America.

    obama s war against america

    obama s war against america
  • ruthannhausman 2012/08/23 19:55:49
    Yes
    ruthannhausman
    +5
    He's sure trying his best! But the man has underestimated the American people. He will not succeed.
  • ★Calliope★ 2012/08/23 19:53:24
    Yes
    ★Calliope★
    +5
    Of course he is.

    He said he would.

    Didn't you believe him?
  • Stryder 2012/08/23 19:41:52
    Yes
    Stryder
    +6
    He's not really being very quiet about it, tho.
  • Maddog 2012/08/23 19:05:39 (edited)
    Yes
    Maddog
    +7
    It's obvious, by Obama's actions, that he has nothing but contempt for the U.S.A. and would love to refashion it into something inimical and loathsome to most patriotic Americans.

    obvious obamas actions contempt love refashion inimical loathsome patriotic americans
  • scurvison 2012/08/23 19:05:11
    Yes
    scurvison
    +4
    You aint seen nothin yet, wait til term 2. Thats when the real whacko comes out
  • Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody 2012/08/23 18:36:50
    Yes
    Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody
    +6
    Not so quietly IMO. But pretty damned steadily.

    Nothing this president does passes the smell test.
    buzz
  • ehrhornp 2012/08/23 18:33:23
    No
    ehrhornp
    But that is the republican goal as evidenced what they did under GW. Only a fool would give the keys to the economy back to the party that drove it off a cliff in the first case.
  • Stryder ehrhornp 2012/08/23 19:43:05
    Stryder
    +5
    You mean things like the 4.56% unemployment rate? Are those the kind of things you despise?
  • ehrhornp Stryder 2012/08/23 20:51:18
    ehrhornp
    You ignore where you phony conservatives left the country. You also conveniently ignore the fact that GW recovered from his first recession by a great increase in public employment. Thought "conservatives" were suppose to be for small government.

    Your hypocrisy is just amazing. What I despise is taking the country with a balanced federal budget to one of deficits. Yet you who prefer the huge deficits consider yourself conservative? lol, you are not.
  • Stryder ehrhornp 2012/08/23 22:21:17
    Stryder
    +2
    Where we left the country? We lost control of the House and the Senate in January 2007. Within a year the economy started to tank. That's not on Bush's head. That's on the idiots who controlled Congress. Spin history all you want. It doesn't change the fact that THIS economy is squarely on the shoulders of the Dems and Obama.
  • ehrhornp Stryder 2012/08/24 06:28:04
    ehrhornp
    +1
    Yes it is. You republicans broke the balanced federal budget. My how you have such short memories. In addition you waged two wars off budget. And you call yourselves conservative. This is just stupidity to the max.

    Love you phony conservatives. You just refuse to accept responsibility for your pinko commie policies. Pathetic.
  • Red ehrhornp 2012/08/26 22:00:32
  • ehrhornp Red 2012/08/27 02:12:16
    ehrhornp
    A shame you can't see the difference. I will take the dow rising from under 7000 to 13000 in less than 4 years to the other party seeing the dow decline from 10,000 to under 7000 over 8 years.
  • Red ehrhornp 2012/08/27 02:16:06
  • ehrhornp Red 2012/08/27 03:14:10
    ehrhornp
    lol, such an intelligent statement.
  • Red Stryder 2012/08/26 21:59:54
  • Stryder Red 2012/08/26 22:02:56
    Stryder
    Seriously, Red. You're all over the place on this one. And when you call the Bushes and Reagan both traitors, you lose any and all credibility. Have a nice evening.
  • Red Stryder 2012/08/26 22:10:20
  • ehrhornp Stryder 2012/08/27 03:16:18
    ehrhornp
    Actually Red is right about the Bushes and Reagan being both traitors. Shame you don't know your history. I will say that daddy Bush is a cut above GW and Uncle Ron.
  • Jack Sprat ehrhornp 2012/08/24 04:11:22
    Jack Sprat
    +1
    Great socialist strides.......oddly you can consider yourself a good ole' boy tax and spend liberal.....

    1.5 GDP
    35%-46% loss in personal wealth
    8.3 unemployment (over 8% for 42 straight months)More unemployed now than when Bo took office (actual unemployed/under employed at 16-20%)
    Worse recovery since WW II

    Debt when Mr. Bush took office: $5.7 trillion

    November 2006 ........8.5 Trillion Democrats win over Congrees
    January 2007 ............8.7 Trillion Democrats in charge of Congress
    November 2007 ........9 Trillion
    January 2008 ............9.2 Trillion
    November 2008 ......10.5Trillion Democrats & Obama in Control
    January 2009 ..........10.6 Trillion
    January 2010 ..........12.3 Trillion
    November 2010 ......13.7 Trillion Republicans win over US House
    January 2011 ..........14 Trillion Republicans control US House
    July 2011 ................ 14.3 Trillion
    August 1012.............15.9 trillion in debt (without oblunder/pelosi Scare)

    Under the Obama Regime 5.4 Trillion Dollars was added to the debt in two years. 5.6 Trillion since the Democrats took control. Nevertheless, Barack Hussein Obama wants to blame the debt crisis on George W. Bush."

    Gas prices Doubled, hurting middle and lower income families harder disproportionately
    Health insurance up 42%, hurti...








    Great socialist strides.......oddly you can consider yourself a good ole' boy tax and spend liberal.....

    1.5 GDP
    35%-46% loss in personal wealth
    8.3 unemployment (over 8% for 42 straight months)More unemployed now than when Bo took office (actual unemployed/under employed at 16-20%)
    Worse recovery since WW II

    Debt when Mr. Bush took office: $5.7 trillion

    November 2006 ........8.5 Trillion Democrats win over Congrees
    January 2007 ............8.7 Trillion Democrats in charge of Congress
    November 2007 ........9 Trillion
    January 2008 ............9.2 Trillion
    November 2008 ......10.5Trillion Democrats & Obama in Control
    January 2009 ..........10.6 Trillion
    January 2010 ..........12.3 Trillion
    November 2010 ......13.7 Trillion Republicans win over US House
    January 2011 ..........14 Trillion Republicans control US House
    July 2011 ................ 14.3 Trillion
    August 1012.............15.9 trillion in debt (without oblunder/pelosi Scare)

    Under the Obama Regime 5.4 Trillion Dollars was added to the debt in two years. 5.6 Trillion since the Democrats took control. Nevertheless, Barack Hussein Obama wants to blame the debt crisis on George W. Bush."

    Gas prices Doubled, hurting middle and lower income families harder disproportionately
    Health insurance up 42%, hurting middle and lower income families harder disproportionately
    Food prices up 17-22 %, hurting middle and lower income families harder disproportionately

    QE 1 and 2 has monetized the national debt by $4 trillion dollars that we know of, sending the effective infation to 12-17%

    and last but not least, (nor really last)

    obama v all other presidents

    obama v all other presidents
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  • jimmy d ehrhornp 2012/08/24 11:37:34
    jimmy d
    +1
    I've got news for you the dems drove us off the cliff. Fannie Mae and subprime mortgages, the Community Reinvestment Act and reid, pelousy, dodd, frank we're driving the bus from 2006 onward. Paul Ryan warned us. http://online.wsj.com/article...
  • ehrhornp jimmy d 2012/08/24 15:57:45
    ehrhornp
    +1
    Ah just love phony conservatives in denial. What you ignore is that when the problems started guess who controlled both the house and the senate? Hint. party starts with a R. lol.

    This problem started at the end of the Clinton administration. Obviously both parties played a roll in this.
  • Quietma... ehrhornp 2012/08/24 16:05:57
    Quietman   ~PWCM~JLA
    It started after the Dems took over.
  • ehrhornp Quietma... 2012/08/24 16:10:12
    ehrhornp
    Hardly the legislation that gave rise to the problem was passed at the end of the Clinton administration. That was the proximate cause of the problem. the problem was made worse with a president (GW) who didn't believe in regulation but instead just allowed to let things rip.
  • Quietma... ehrhornp 2012/08/24 17:31:59
    Quietman   ~PWCM~JLA
    FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC: REPUBLICANS ASKED FOR MORE REGULATION, DEMOCRATS DENIED THERE WAS A PROBLEM…..SENATOR OBAMA NEVER SAID A WORD
    http://chicagoagainstobama.wo...
    Follow the link read and watch the video and learn something
  • Red Quietma... 2012/08/26 22:02:35
  • Embalmer 2012/08/23 17:46:51
    No
    Embalmer
    +1
    An Executive Order does not repeal law, it may suspend certain aspects of it, but it can never repeal.

    "The Obama executive order is great news for many young "dreamers" and their families—great, great news. It will change a lot of lives in the short term, giving a generation of young people a measure of hope for the future.

    If only it were as good as it seems—if only it were a real solution.

    The problem: It's a short-term stopgap—it only postpones these young people's day of reckoning with U.S. immigration authorities. Any real, long-term solution still has to go through Congress—and it has to be bipartisan. And President Barack Obama's brazenly partisan political act only makes that harder."

    http://www.usnews.com/debate-...

    For a listing of all Presidential Executive orders:

    http://www.archives.gov/feder...
  • none 2012/08/23 17:44:53
    Yes
    none
    +6
    It's his plan and he can't have another four years to complete it. NOBAMA in 2012!!
  • dasimon1 2012/08/23 17:42:20 (edited)
    Yes
    dasimon1
    +8
    Here's what Obama thinks . All America including all his stems too!~!

    here we go again
  • Sheila 2012/08/23 16:59:03 (edited)
    Yes
    Sheila
    +9
    He TOLD us he would do it. No suprise to those of us who pay attention and understand that you do NOT "fundamentally transfrom" something you love. You fix it.
    Obama has signed more executive orders than ANY OTHER PRES IN HISTORY including FDR who had what...14 (?) years??? What else would you call it???

  • Kern 2012/08/23 13:48:59
    Yes
    Kern
    +8
    Yes, he and the Democrats have been planning this for more than 60 years. After coming up with the plan back in the 50's they it is all coming fruition. The fact birth announcements in early 60's, and the fake birth certificate have all worked exactly the way they were intended.

    Now he plans to help the middle class by stopping the useless give-aways to drug companies, banks and the top 1%. This will bring about the destruction of the country by spreading wealth to everybody, not just the top 1%.

    He's a bastard.
  • Kirby Kern 2012/08/24 00:07:30
  • Contarded Chickenhawk Con S... 2012/08/23 13:22:14
    No
    Contarded Chickenhawk Con Slayer
    +1
    Sorry, but this dysfunction of our nation not being able to govern anymore is not one mans fault, but the fault of the nation that support divide, thus giving us dysfunction.

    Obama is being the cause is nothing but a straw-man argument at best.

    Who do you think you're fooling... You've probably support dysfunction because other won't accept your brand of ideology...

    So like a child you kind throw tantrums and blame others... It's nothing new...

    tantrum
  • JingerJewels 2012/08/23 07:48:16
    Yes
    JingerJewels
    +13
    However there is nothing quiet about it Obama destroying America
  • MR. 2012/08/23 06:02:33
    Yes
    MR.
    +6
    WITH FOXES, WE MUST PLAY THE FOX! (THOMAS FULLER)
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