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Is Obama maybe NOT an American citizen?

Bill - McGee - 2012 "I am a Terrorist " 2008/06/11 16:41:42
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In a News report on 700 wlw today, the subject of Barry (barack) Hussein Obama's American citizenship was brought up. There is a legitimate question here in that if the guidelines are not met, he would in fact be ineligible to be the President of the united states of America.

After reading the article/answers below, the question is "Do you think it's possible that he is ineligible to be president?"

the original link has since been deleted.. go figure huh??
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http://tmq2.wordpress.com/2008/06/11/is-obama-a-natural-born-...


Here's the original link.
from http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080610175437AAJ...

Is Obama Barack Obama not legally a U.S. Natural-born citizen?
According to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between “December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986? . Presidential office requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents, which of course is what exempts McCain,though he was born in the Panama Canal. US Law very clearly stipulates: If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawaii being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn’t matter *after* . In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship.

* 15 hours ago
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15 hours ago
At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since his mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18 in Hawai’i. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years old, at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen. As aformentioned, she was a young college student at the time and was not. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at that time his mother would have needed to have waited to have him as the only U.S. Cizen parent. Obama instead should have been naturalized, but even then, that would still disqualify him from holding the office.

Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. *** Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, all the other info does not matter because his mother is the one who needed to have been a U.S. Citzen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16.
Does anyone know the legal answer to this question?

15 hours ago
I would think he could easily answer these rumors by providing his birth certificate. Does anyone know why his campaign has refused to date?

15 hours ago
I realize this is a technicality on the law as it was written at that time, but would it still apply?

15 hours ago
it isn't that he was born in Hawaii, it was his mother's age at the time and the fact that Hawaii had only been a state for 2 yrs. and the way the law was written. I know it's complicated.

15 hours ago
As for McCain, both his parents were US citizens..the rules are different.

15 hours ago
Geez, it's going to take a someone with a law degree or something to answer this, as no reply so far seems to understand it.

13 hours ago
Thanks Mrs Jack-
I looked up that Wayne Madsen report you linked. It seems a bigger problem than I'd thought. I hope it gets clarified soon.

13 hours ago
majnun99..what do you think about the Wayne Madsen Report?
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  • Rod ~America First 2008/06/11 21:19:04
    Yes it's entirely possible because....
    Rod ~America First
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    Because he has covered up almost everything in his life that would interfere with his POTUS run. That's wonderful news if it is true. To the DNC: take your nominee and shove it!

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  • catfishbilly 2008/10/23 15:46:27
    Yes it's entirely possible because....
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    He wont turn over birth certificates, he wont turn over medical records. Only people with things to hide, hide things.
    This man is highly dangerous, period!
  • Truth 2008/10/16 05:01:53
    Yes it's entirely possible because....
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    A 2007 Associated Press photograph, suppressed until now, shows the school register of the child who is today known as Barack Hussein Obama but was officially listed then as Barry Soetoro, whose citizenship was listed as "Indonesian" and whose religion was listed as "Islam." The visual evidence starkly contradicts the Obama campaign's claim that he was not a Muslim and confirms that he is a national of at least one other country.

    In addition, it raises the highly problematic issue of what is Obama's official name. If it turns out to Barry Soetoro, and no official change of name was ever made, Obama may face an array of charges of deception and misprision that may throw into doubt, at the very least, his fitness to run.

    Deep doubts remain about the veracity of the "certificate of live birth" image produced for his campaign by the radical left-wing Daily Kos blog. There are reports that investigative teams -- from the Republican and Democratic parties as well as various intelligence agencies -- are seeking out the details of his murky childhood from Kenya to Indonesia. There are indications of growing disquiet in the circles of power that the so-called "smears" may have understated the gravity of the candidate's identity problem: he may not be American, he was not raised Christian and,...

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    A 2007 Associated Press photograph, suppressed until now, shows the school register of the child who is today known as Barack Hussein Obama but was officially listed then as Barry Soetoro, whose citizenship was listed as "Indonesian" and whose religion was listed as "Islam." The visual evidence starkly contradicts the Obama campaign's claim that he was not a Muslim and confirms that he is a national of at least one other country.

    In addition, it raises the highly problematic issue of what is Obama's official name. If it turns out to Barry Soetoro, and no official change of name was ever made, Obama may face an array of charges of deception and misprision that may throw into doubt, at the very least, his fitness to run.

    Deep doubts remain about the veracity of the "certificate of live birth" image produced for his campaign by the radical left-wing Daily Kos blog. There are reports that investigative teams -- from the Republican and Democratic parties as well as various intelligence agencies -- are seeking out the details of his murky childhood from Kenya to Indonesia. There are indications of growing disquiet in the circles of power that the so-called "smears" may have understated the gravity of the candidate's identity problem: he may not be American, he was not raised Christian and, it appears, he was not Barack Hussein Obama.

    The evidence of the candidate's un-American, un-Christian upbringing is nothing new, and has been documented by bloggers as early as 2007 and by Israel Insider in our very first report on this subject in June of this year. But until now the photograph of his school record has been lacking. The image is dated from 2007 and was apparently taken to accompany an AP article that appeared in January of that year. Ironically, that article was about how Obama was rejecting the untrue charge that the public school he attended was a radical Indonesian madrassa.

    Some excerpts:

    "We will not be swift-boated," said Obama communications director Robert Gibbs. "And we won't take allegations that are patently untrue lying down."

    "Obama's mother, divorced from Obama's father, married a man from Indonesia named Lolo Soetoro, and the family relocated to the country from 1967-71. At first, Obama attended the Catholic school, Fransiskus Assisis, where documents showed he enrolled as a Muslim, the religion of his stepfather. The document required that each student choose one of five state-sanctioned religions when registering -- Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Catholic or Protestant. Gibbs said he wasn't sure why the document had Obama listed as a Muslim."

    Gibbs may not have been sure, but it appears that the Obama campaign made sure that this image did not see the light of day, because the photographic listing of the candidate, even as a child, as an Indonesian whose religion was Islam was worth, well, a thousand words. "Senator Obama has never been a Muslim," Gibbs said in the article. "As a six-year-old in Catholic school, he studied the catechism."

    That may be Gibbs' assertion, but evidence from grown-up school chums of little Barry Soetoro indicates that he studied, and excelled in, the teachings of the Koran in the original Arabic and could recite the Shehada, the Islamic article of faith, by heart, and with a decent tune, according to the New York Times roving columnist Nicholas Kristof, to whom "Obama" remarked that the sound of the Muslim call to prayer was one of the world's most beautiful sounds.

    The AP article quoted Iis Darmawan, 63, Obama's kindergarten teacher, who "remembers him as an exceptionally tall and curly haired child who quickly picked up the local language and had sharp math skills. 'He wrote an essay titled, "I Want To Become President,"' the teacher said." She didn't indicate which country he wanted to become president of.

    The AP caption reads: "This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro into the Catholic school made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro. The document lists Barry Soetoro as a Indonesian citizen, born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, and shows his Muslim step-father listed the boy's religion as Islam. (AP Photo/ Tatan Syuflana)" Syuflana is a well-known and frequently published photographer, specializing in Indonesia.

    A representative of the AP confirmed that the photo is authentic.

    The most damaging revelation in the AP photo (registration required to see the large-scale image. A derived image is here.) may turn out to be the listing of his name as Barry Soetoro. It has been reported that he used the name Barack Hussein Obama and failed to mention Barry Soetoro when asked to provide any former names. (He reportedly also did not respond honestly when answering negatively to a question concerning illegal drug use, which he has since admitted.) It is believed that failure to report his previous name is not an isolated instance, and may have contributed to the perceived need to manufacture a forged birth certificate listing Obama's preferred identity as if it were present from the start.

    The listing of Barry Soetoro as a Muslim contradicts what appears on his campaign's Fight the Smears website, where he says that "I have never been a Muslim." In a private meeting with Jewish leaders in February, Obama emphatically re-stated the claim, but with a bit of a twist, declaring: "I am not, nor have I ever been, a Muslim (especially an anti-American one)."

    Does the candidate protest too much here? Indeed, he is echoing language used in the 1950s by those who denied Communist ties. No one is claiming, here, that Obama is anti-American. But the image of his school registration doesn't lie, and indicates clearly that he was registered as a Muslim, and thus, despite the claim of his spokesman, he didn't study the catechism. Barry Soetoro studied the Koran.

    On September 29, 2008 US District Court Judge R. Barclay Surrick, the federal magistrate for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania ruled in the matter of Philip J. Berg vs Barack Hussein Obama, et al as the world was distracted by the $700 billion subprime mortgage crisis. Obama signed a breathe of relief as the mainstream media chose to ignore the question: "Can Senator Barack Hussein Obama legally seek the office of President of the United States?"

    To run for the highest office you have to be a "natural born" citizen.

    In his ruling, Judge Surrick noted that the "...cause came before the United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick on defendant Barack Hussein Obama and the Democratic National Committee's motion to dismiss." The order continued, "Having reviewed the motion and plaintiff's opposition to said motion and for good cause shown, it is hereby ordered that the motion to dismiss pursuant to F.R.C.P. 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6) is denied. It is further order of this court that the following discovery is to be turned over to plaintiff within three (3) days.

    1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version) birth certificate; and
    2. a certified copy of Obama's Certificate of Citizenship;
    3. a certified copy of Obama's oath of allegiance."

    The flap began in June when National Review's Jim Geraghty raised the question and asked the Obama Campaign to release a copy of his birth certificate in order to prove that he actually was born in the United States. (Reports had previously surfaced claiming that Obama's Kenyan grandmother, Sarah Hussein Obama, told reporters that Obama was not born in Hawaii, but in Kenya. She reportedly told reporters that when her son, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. returned to Kenya he was accompanied by a pregnant white wife who was close to term.)

    Obama's family did not take to Stanley Ann Dunham Obama well according to Sarah Obama because she was white. Shortly after she arrived in Kenya Stanley Ann decided to return to Hawaii because she did not like how Muslim men treated their wives in Kenya. However, because she was near term the airline would not let her fly until after the birth of her baby. Obama's grandmother said the baby was born in Kenya and that shortly after Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. was born, Stanley Ann returned to Hawaii.

    Purportedly, when she arrived back in Hawaii, Stanley Anne registered her son's live birth as an event which had just happened—in Hawaii. This supposition is based on the appearance, shortly after Nov. 6, 2007, of a Hawaiian birth certificate that was issued, as a duplicate birth certificate, by the State of Hawaii to a US Senator who requested it.

    While the Internet screamed that the birth certificate, which appeared on the Obama Campaign's "Fight The Smears" website and was also downloaded and used by far left blogger Markos Zuniga on his website, Daily Kos, it was not an electronic image concocted by Daily KOs as was hypothesized by a self-described cyvbersleuth who uses the cyber pseudonym Techdude. It was the real McCoy—even if it was issued as a political favor to a prospective Democratic presidential candidate by a Democrat official in Hawaii. The county clerk who issued the document, which purports to be a copy of an original document, was date stamped "Nov. 6, 2007" on the reverse side of the birth certificate in blue ink which bled through and is visible on the front of the electronic image.

    The story goes on to say that Obama's grandmother, half sister and half brother all say he was born in Kenya. They have no reason to lie- quite the reverse.

    So now will the so-called guardians of our freedom - ha ha ha - the main media of the world, start to earn their inflated salaries and investigate these seemingly well researched claims? Don't hold your breath, as Obama is both a Democrat and utterly politically correct. Therefore he must be perfect.....AF.

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    Wed Oct 15, 2008 - An angry phone call by Michelle Obama to the African Press International might just have sunk Barack Obama's chances of becoming president, by bringing doubt upon his eligibility. In the transcript of the conversation, she states that Obama was, as a child, adopted by his Indonesian father. Indonesia does NOT have allow for duel citizenship, making Barack Obama a naturalized citizen, not a natural born citizen as required by the constitution.

    Accusing API of colluding with American internet bloggers in an effort to bring down her husband, Mrs Obama said she decided to call API because of what she termed, API’s help to spread rumours created by American bloggers and other racist media outlets in their efforts to damage a black man’s name, saying she hopes African Media was mature enough to be in the front to give unwavering support to her husband, a man Africans should identify themselves with.

    When API told her that our online news media was only relaying what the American Bloggers and other media outlets had discovered through their investigations, Mrs Obama was angered and she came out loud with the following: “African press International is supposed to support Africans and African-American view,” and she went to state that, “it is strange that API has chosen to support the racists against my husband. There is no shame in being adopted by a step father. All dirt has been thrown onto my husband’s face and yet he loves this country. My husband and I know that there is no law that will stop him from becoming the president, just because some American white racists are bringing up the issue of my husband’s adoption by His step father. The important thing here is where my husband’s heart is at the moment. I can tell the American people that My husband loves this country and his adoption never changed his love for this country. He was born in Hawaii, yes, and that gives him all the right to be an American citizen even though he was adopted by a foreigner; says Michelle Obama on telefon to API.”

    I'm not convinced that this all disqualify's him, but it's certainly interesting.

    I just got off the phone with Dr. Jerry Corsi, author of Obama Nation. He confirms that this conversation with Michelle Obama was recorded, meaning audio will be available.

    Developing...

    READ THE LIST OF Obama LIES:

    1.) Selma Got Me Born - LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965. Source: hotair.com

    2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government. Source: http://www.godlikeproductions...

    3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had Source:http://atlasshrugs2000...

    3a) - "President Kennedy rescued my father from Kenyan obscurity and airlifted him to the American Dream."
    LIAR - Senator Obama's father came in September 1960, while EISENHOWER was President. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2
    COUNTER CLAIM - But his father did come to the U.S. so what is the big deal?
    REBUTTAL - Senator Obama misrepresents historical events. No speech by President John F. Kennedy brought Senator Obama's father to the U.S. in 1960. John F. Kennedy
    was not President in 1960, Dwight D. Eisenhower was President. The Senator is attempting to subtly equate himself with J.F.K., subconsciously implying he would be
    a similar President. Senator Obama, you are no Jack Kennedy.

    4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades. Source:http://atlasshrugs2000...

    5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man. Source: According to NYTimes story of April of last year, Sarah Hussein Obama told the New York Times she is a devout Muslim.

    6.) My Name is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

    7.) I Never Practiced Islam - LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.

    8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).

    9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the language.

    10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience - LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.

    11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - LIAR, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.

    12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - LIAR, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.

    13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

    14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

    15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

    16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois - LIAR, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

    17.) Oops, I Misvoted - LIAR, only when caught by church groups and democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

    18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

    19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

    20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - LIAR, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it, or create it. <!-noadsense->

    21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - LIAR, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

    22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

    23.) I Have Released My State Records - LIAR, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

    24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - LIAR, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

    25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - LIAR, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

    26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - LIAR, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

    27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - LIAR, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

    28.) No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA - LIAR, the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

    29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel.

    30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet - LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia, was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.

    31.) I Didn't Run Ads In Florida - LIAR, you allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks - and you still lost.

    32.) I Won Michigan - LIAR, no you didn't, you weren't even on the ballot. See: http://www.realclearpolitics....

    33.) I won Nevada - LIAR, no you did not. See: http://www.cbsnews.com/storie...

    34.) I Want All Votes To Count - LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.

    35.) I Want Americans To Decide - LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

    36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - LIAR, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

    37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend - LIAR, that friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.

    38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

    39.) I Don't Take PAC Money - LIAR, you take loads of it.

    40.) I don't Have Lobbysists - LIAR, you have over 38 lobbyists, and counting.

    41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

    42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace - LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.

    43.) I Inspire People With My Words - LIAR, you inspire people with other people's words.

    44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate - LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate - for Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.

    45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - LIAR, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be stepping back from your departure date - AGAIN.

    46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - LIAR, your plan leaves us all to pay the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it.

    47.) I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail - LIAR, both companies you site as having sent you letters about this conflict have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent.

    48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone - LIAR, you won't wear a flag pin and you don't put your hand over your heart during the Anthem.

    49.) My Wife Didn't Mean What She Said About Pride In Country - LIAR, your wife's words follow lock-step in the vein of Wright and Farrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America.

    50.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn't Support - LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quater of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.

    51.) Treehouse Is A Small Company - LIAR, the CEO of Treehouse last year, made more than the CEO of Wal-Mart, according to public records.

    52.) University Of Chicago Hospital Pay Is Fair - LIAR, your wife's pay raise was nearly 150% her already bloated rate and the hospital is a Non-Profit Hospital, which made $100,000,000 in the last 3 years. They overcharge blacks VS whites for services, and overcharge everyone in general by 538%!

    53.)I Barely Know Rezko - Only 5 Billed Hours - LIAR, you have known him for 17 years, and decided to do a real estate deal with him during a time when he was proven to be under investigation. Despite this, you divided your property and had them take off $300K before the mortgage problems started. Then Rezko's wife buys the lot beside it that you can't afford, saving you $625,000.

    54.) My Donations Have Been Checked Thoroughly - LIAR, you only gave back Hsu ($72K) and Rezko (first $66K, then when caught lying $86K, then when caught lying again $150K and now caught lying YET AGAIN OBAMA, it's $250k) their money when publically called on their involvement in your campaigns.

    55.) My Church Is Like Any Other Christian Church - LIAR, your church is so extreme, the pastor who married you, Rev. Wright, just got done blaming the US for 9/11 and named Louis Farrahkan their person of the year.

    56.) I Disagree With My Church All The Time - LIAR, you still have yet to repudiate Wright, who married you and your wife, and you still donate large sums of money to assist the church in furthering its message - hatred and revenge. You donated in 2006 alone, $22,500 to the church that you so terribly disagree with. That is nearly $500 PER WEEK - that sure is disagreement, Senator Obama.

    57.) I Have Clean Connections Despite Rezko - LIAR, you are not only connected to Exelon and Rezko, you are also connected to Hillary PAC supporter Mr. Hsu, AND an Iraqi Billionaire of ill repute, Nadhmi Auchi, who ripped off people in the Food For Oil, Iraqi deal. Seems Mr. Auchi may have helped Obama buy his million dollar property long before Obama had millions of dollars. Wonder what favors Mr. Auchi expects, when Obama leaves Iraq free to be taken over by special interests such as him.

    58.) I never heard sermons like Rev. Wright's, that have been in videos all day, You Tube - LIAR! 3 days later during your Mea Culpa BS speech you said "Did I hear controversial statements while I sat in that church? Yes I did."

    59.) The Passport Invasion is a conspiracy to find dirt on me! - LIAR. Your own Campaign Foreign Policy Advisor is the CEO of the company that looked into your records. PS - You had them look into yours to hide the fact you looked into Clinton's and McCain's more than a year before!

    60.) Rev. Meeks has nothing to do with my campaigning - LIAR. Rev. Meeks appeared in ads for your Senate Campaign, donated to you, and helped raise money, then AND NOW. PS - He also seems to despise America.

    61.) My wife didn't mean America is ignorant, she was just using a phrase - LIAR. Again, MicHELLe's comments perfectly sync with Wright's, Meeks', and Farrakhans, both in language, anger, and direction.

    62.) I am very Anti-Terror - LIAR. [03/30/2008] One of your good pals is long time radical and terrorist William Ayers, with whom you have been seen in the last 12 months and who has helped the now jailed khalidi, Professor at Columbia who invited Ahmadinejad to the University, to raise money for Palestinian terrorism attacks against Israel. PS - Your church published a pro Hamas Manifesto - guess you weren't there on THAT Sunday either? How lucky for you.

    63.) I have the best plan to cure the Mortgage Crisis - LIAR. [03/30/2008] You and your campaign buddy Penny SubPrime Bank Collapse Prizker have had your little fingers full of subprime cash - Obama has taken $1,180,103 from the top issuers of subprime loans: Obama received $266,907 from Lehman, $5395 from GMAC, $150,850 from Credit Suisse First Boston, $11,250 from Countrywide, $9052 from Washington Mutual, $161,850 from Citigroup, $4600 from CBASS, $170,050 from Morgan Stanley, $1150 from Centex, and last but certainly NOT LEAST - Obama received $351,900 from Goldman Sachs. I am sure that cash all came from folks who knew the subprime loan they had was a dream, eh?

    64) I played greater role in crafting liberal stands on gun control, the death penalty and abortion - LIAR - [03/31/2008] It was found that Obama - the day after sitting for the interview - filed an amended version of the questionnaire, which appears to contain Obama's own handwritten notes added to one answer. Read Obama had greater role on liberal survey

    65) I did NOT play the race card: - LIAR - [03/31/2008] Obama was the first to play the race card. According to Phialdelphia Inquirer, Quietly, the storm over the hateful views expressed by Sen. Barack Obama's pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, has blown away the most insidious myth of the Democratic primary campaign. Obama and his surrogates have charged that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has deliberately and cleverly played the race card in order to label Obama the "black" candidate. Read more here

    66) I did not take money from oil companies: - LIAR - [03/31/2008]

    THE FACTS: True enough, Obama does not take money from oil companies. No candidate does. It is illegal for corporations to give money to politicians. Corporations, however, do have political action committees that collect voluntary donations from employees and then donate them to candidates. Obama doesn't take money from PACs. He also doesn't take money from lobbyists.

    But he does accept money from executives and other employees of oil companies and two of his fundraisers are oil company executives. As of Feb. 29, Obama's presidential campaign had received nearly $214,000 from oil and gas industry employees and their families, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics. Clinton had received nearly $307,000 from industry workers and their families and Republican Sen. John McCain, the likely GOP presidential nominee, received nearly $394,000, according to the center's totals.

    Two of Obama's fundraisers are Robert Cavnar, the chairman and chief executive of Houston-based Mission Resources Corp., and George Kaiser, the president and CEO of Tulsa-based Kaiser-Francis Oil Co. Source: Fact Check Obama on Oil on MSNBC

    67) "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial," Obama said at a community meeting in Nelsonville, Ohio, earlier this month. - LIAR - But yesterday, he told a different story. "Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes," he said in his speech yesterday in Philadelphia.

    68) Look at my education record in Illinois - LIAR - In reality, Obama never really championed the local councils. He supported them behind the scenes and only eventually came out publicly on their behalf. When he did weigh in, he came down on the wrong side of the debate - against protecting principals from unwarranted dismissals and in favor of keeping councils independent, no matter what. In the end, the resolution of the conflict between the two sides didn't alleviate anyone's concerns. Instead, it prolonged a turf battle that seems to have dragged down academic progress in the years since. Read more here http://www.slate.com/id/21880...
    Source: slate.com

    Source: ABC News: Buried in Eloquence, Obama Contradictions About Pastor

    69) "I stopped smoking. I stopped smoking. I haven't had a cigarette since I quit - LIAR - But in his own words, here is what Obama said. Except... last night on MSNBC's Hardball, Obama admitted that his attempt to wean himself from the vile tobacco weed had not been entirely successful. I fell off the wagon a couple times during the course of it, and then was able to get back on," he said. "But it is a struggle like everything else." Plus, how to you explain this: http://www.newsmax.com/inside...

    Source ABC News: http://blogs.abcnews.com/poli...

    70) I did not campaign in Florida, (so Florida vote shouldn't count) - LIAR -According to Boston Globe, HeraldTribune and other sites, Obama airs "ads" on Cable stations in Florida. Even with the Florida cable ads, Obama still lost. => From heraldtribune.com Obama's Florida ads bust pledge

    See the Video here http://www.boston.com/news/po...

    71) Obama is squeaky clean. He's made the judicialwatch.org top ten list of the "Most Corrupt Politicians for 2007" along with Hillary:

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/...
    And he's been linked to a Federal corruption trial: http://www.judicialwatch.org/...

    72) Obama on Guns - when Obama ran for the Illinois state senate the political group, Independent Voters of Illinois (IVI), asked him if he supported a "ban [on] the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns" and he responded "yes." - LIAR- But in what will probably be the most improbable change, the Politico reported on Saturday that Barack Obama was making a big play for gun votes in Pennsylvania. In 1998, another questionnaire administered by IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test didn't ask about banning all handguns, but it did find that Obama wanted to "ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons." Source: Fox News and Politico.com

    73) Obama distort (aka "Lie") about McCain saying, "McCain (he) is willing to send our troops too another war of 100 years in Iraq". Obama also denied what he said on the video - LIAR - The video proves him absolutely untruthful ("a liar"). => http://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    74) Here is what Obama now said he meant about comment he made about Small town PA - "So I said, 'Well, you know, when you're bitter you turn to what you can count on,' " he continued. "So people they vote about guns, or they take comfort from their faith and their family and their community. And they get mad about illegal immigrants who are coming over to this country or they get frustrated about, you know, how things are changing. That's a natural response." - LIAR - See what Obama really meant in red. It does not take high school student to understand what Obama meant - "You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them... And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

    75) "I did not recall meeting Nadhmi Auchi at any time or on any occasion" - LIAR - But a government witness said on Monday, during Antoin Rezko's corruption trial, that he recalled seeing Sen. Barack Obama at a party that Rezko held in 2004 to honor Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born tycoon. Two other guests at the party declared the Obamas were present at the event, which took place one week before Obama won his U.S. Senate seat.

    Source: http://www.suntimes.com/news/... according to the Chicago Tribune.

    76) "I did not take money from oil companies" -LIAR- It is against the law to take money from oil companies. None of your opponents take money from oil companies either.

    77) "I am the only candidate who isn't taking a dime from Washington lobbyist" - LIAR- The record shows quite the opposite. According to USA Today, Obama's campaign fundraising team includes 38 members of law firms that were paid $138 million last year to lobby the federal government, records show. Those lawyers, including 10 former federal lobbyists, have pledged to raise at least $3.5 million for the Illinois senator's presidential race. Employees of their firms have given Obama's campaign $2.26 million, a USA TODAY analysis of campaign finance data shows.

    Source: http://www.usatoday.com/news/...

    78) FLIP: Said he would take public funding, then "changes his mind." Notice he doesn't talk about taking on Lobbyists. Can you guess where portions of his money are coming from? Obama, you never intended on taking public funding. => http://www.boston.com/news/na...

    79) "I have never trained ACORN activists" - LIAR Obama Trained ACORN Staff. "Several community organizers and Altgeld Gardens tenants confirmed Johnson was working on asbestos but said Obama organized residents to act. 'He got people to vote with their feet' on the issue, organizer Madeleine Talbot said. At the time, Talbot worked at the social action group ACORN and initially considered Obama a competitor. But she became so impressed with his work that she invited him to help train her staff." (Letta Tayler and Keith Herbert, "Obama Forged Path As Chicago Community Organizer," Los Angeles Times, 3/2/08)
    See Also: http://www.weeklystandard.com... Read about his ties to ACORN.
    http://www.obamaexposed.org/

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  • Jon 2008/10/03 20:11:42
    no it's not possible because...
    Jon
    +1
    His father came from an African nation and Barak was born in the USA.
  • Bill - ... Jon 2008/10/03 20:16:14
    Bill - McGee - 2012 "I am a Terrorist "
    well, some of his Kenyan family members recount a story of being at the hospital when he was born...



    in Kenya....

    just a thought...
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  • Good-by... OBAMA T... 2008/07/06 15:41:52
    Good-bye-Bush
    How about McCain flip flopping over and f**ing you!
  • Good-bye-Bush 2008/07/01 13:29:41
    no it's not possible because...
    Good-bye-Bush
    * Michelle on Tape
    * Birth Certificate
    * Barack's Religion
    * Barack's Books
    * Barack's Patriotism
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    SMEAR: Michelle Obama Says “Whitey” On a Tape

    Michelle Obama is a successful attorney, a loving mother, and a respectful person. But Rush Limbaugh and his fellow right-wing attack-dogs have been spreading baseless rumors about a non-existent video tape showing Michelle Obama using a racial epithet.

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    The tape that Rush and others are spreading rumors about doesn't exist.
    Spread the Truth

    SMEAR: Barack Obama can't produce his birth certificate

    Barack Obama was born in America, and his story could only happen here. But some smear-mongers claim he can't produce his birth certificate and that he is not a natural-born citizen.

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    Barack Obama has made his birth certificate public and it can be seen here.
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    SMEAR: Barack Obama is secretly a Muslim

    Barack is a committed Christian who was sworn into the Senate on his family bible, but unscrupulous right-wing operatives are repeating the lie that he was raised a Muslim. These assertions are completely false and designed to play into the worst kind of stereotypes.
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    SMEAR: Michelle Obama Says “Whitey” On a Tape

    Michelle Obama is a successful attorney, a loving mother, and a respectful person. But Rush Limbaugh and his fellow right-wing attack-dogs have been spreading baseless rumors about a non-existent video tape showing Michelle Obama using a racial epithet.

    Continue Reading
    The tape that Rush and others are spreading rumors about doesn't exist.
    Spread the Truth

    SMEAR: Barack Obama can't produce his birth certificate

    Barack Obama was born in America, and his story could only happen here. But some smear-mongers claim he can't produce his birth certificate and that he is not a natural-born citizen.

    Continue Reading
    Barack Obama has made his birth certificate public and it can be seen here.
    Spread the Truth

    SMEAR: Barack Obama is secretly a Muslim

    Barack is a committed Christian who was sworn into the Senate on his family bible, but unscrupulous right-wing operatives are repeating the lie that he was raised a Muslim. These assertions are completely false and designed to play into the worst kind of stereotypes.
    Continue Reading
    Senator Obama is a committed Christian. He has never been Muslim, and was not raised in that faith.
    Spread the Truth

    SMEAR: Obama's Books Contain Racially Incendiary Remarks

    Barack believes in racial reconciliation based on our mutual responsibility to ourselves and each other. But a recent email forward quotes alterations, deliberate manipulations, and an outright fabrication of Obama's words on race and religion as fact.

    Continue Reading
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    Spread the Truth

    SMEAR: Barack Obama Won't Say the Pledge of Allegiance & He Won't Put His Hand Over His Heart

    Barack Obama's grandfather, a WWII veteran, taught him the Pledge of Allegiance and inspired his strong love of this country. There's even video of Barack honoring the flag, but people who want to tear him down claim he refuses to put his hand over his heart or say the Pledge.

    Continue Reading
    Barack Obama loves his flag and his country. Watch a video of Barack leading The Pledge of Allegiance in the United States Senate, with his hand over his heart.
    Spread the Truth

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  • Bill - ... Good-by... 2008/07/01 14:47:47
    Bill - McGee - 2012 "I am a Terrorist "
    and you have no problem that the posted image has been proven to be a forgery based of nothing more than a side by side comparison with another cert from the same state?
  • catfish... Good-by... 2008/10/23 16:00:35
    catfishbilly
    +1
    """"Barack is a committed Christian who was sworn into the Senate on his family bible, but unscrupulous right-wing operatives are repeating the lie that he was raised a Muslim. These assertions are completely false and designed to play into the worst kind of stereotypes.
    Continue Reading
    Senator Obama is a committed Christian. He has never been Muslim, and was not raised in that faith. """""

    1.He was the ONLY senator to vote against the bill that would allow children of botched abortions to recieve the same medical treatment of as a child that was born prematurely.

    2. He was raised in a church under rev. j. wright, a black sepratist, racial spouting, propoganda machine, and good friend of l. farakan of the nation of islam. Bama's dad was also muslim, conicindence?

    Being a minister, I find it very hard to believe that any Christian could be "pro-choice" or vote for a pro-choice candidate for that matter.
    When you take away the most fundemental right we have as Americans - The Right To Life - then all other rights really dont hold much weight to that candidate, they couldnt.

    It dont matter if you put your hand on a bible and swear all day long...... if you dont believe a word in it!
    Spread the truth!
  • luvs2boat 2008/06/30 19:04:29
    Yes it's entirely possible because....
    luvs2boat
    +1
    Where did the copy of his birth certificate go? I can't find it anywhere now?
  • Bill - ... luvs2boat 2008/06/30 19:33:42 (edited)
    Bill - McGee - 2012 "I am a Terrorist "
    The fake one without the seal and shit?, it's still up, but no worries, i saved a copy of it's photo-shopped ass on my local system...

    I'll upload it if need be..

    here you can see it in this link...

    http://web.israelinsider.com/...

    Thanks for responding too...
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    SUMMARY: For months we've been asking for a birth certificate to sort out rumors about Barack Obama's real name. Confirmed by the state of Hawaii, here it is.

    It hit our in-box just like the chain e-mail attacks that made us want it in the first place. It's the final piece to a puzzle we've been sorting out for months.

    Birth Certificate Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate.

    "I know there have been some rumors spreading about Obama’s citizenship, so I wanted to make sure you all had a copy of his birth certificate," Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor wrote in a June 12, 2008, e-mail.

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    SUMMARY: For months we've been asking for a birth certificate to sort out rumors about Barack Obama's real name. Confirmed by the state of Hawaii, here it is.

    It hit our in-box just like the chain e-mail attacks that made us want it in the first place. It's the final piece to a puzzle we've been sorting out for months.

    Birth Certificate Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate.

    "I know there have been some rumors spreading about Obama’s citizenship, so I wanted to make sure you all had a copy of his birth certificate," Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor wrote in a June 12, 2008, e-mail.

    See it for yourself here.

    The birth certificate wasn't available before because Obama's birth state of Hawaii does not make such records public and the campaign did not release it.

    Shortly after we posted this document on June 12, 2008, some PolitiFact readers questioned its authenticity.

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    "It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," spokesman Janice Okubo said June 13, 2008, after we e-mailed her our copy.

    Okubo said a copy of the birth certificate was requested in June 2008, but she wouldn't specify by whom. But as we know from our attempts to get the record in April 2008, Hawaii law states that only family members can access such records.

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  • Bill - ... Good-by... 2008/07/02 03:21:43
    Bill - McGee - 2012 "I am a Terrorist "
    That's only partly correct, there's no embossed state seal, or signature on that cert, so you might want to have then include the entire statement Okubo made that is not a "certified" cert...
  • Good-by... luvs2boat 2008/07/02 02:45:13
    Good-bye-Bush
    Back to Fight the Smears home
    The truth about Barack's birth certificate
    Lie:

    Obama Is Not a Natural Born Citizen
    Truth:

    Senator Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, after it became a state on August 21st, 1959. Obama became a citizen at birth under the first section of the 14th Amendment

    “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

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    Obama Is Not a Natural Born Citizen
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    Senator Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, after it became a state on August 21st, 1959. Obama became a citizen at birth under the first section of the 14th Amendment

    “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

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    Message: Friend -- You may have recently heard right-wing smears questioning Barack Obama's birth certificate and citizenship. These assertions are completely false and designed to play into the worst kind of stereotypes. You can see Barack Obama's birth certificate for yourself and help push back with the truth at: http://my.barackobama.com/fig... Together we can make sure these negative and divisive attacks don't affect this campaign. Thanks for your help.

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  • Bill - ... Good-by... 2008/07/02 03:22:53
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    +1
    oh i'm sorry, because it's on Obama's site it's true?
    just like all the other truths Obama told?

    LOL

    well at least you really do support your candidate LOL
  • luvs2boat Good-by... 2008/07/02 17:13:13
    luvs2boat
    +1
    Thanks for the answer but I'm not convience yet. You have to be a USA born citizen to run for President of the US. YOU can NOT be a naturalized citizen. Sorry...but that's the truth, if not...Arnold would be running and I'd vote for him *Huggs*
    I won't undo smears for Obama as people won't undo smears agains McCain.
    Take the quiz...it's interesting!

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/2...


    I got one wrong!

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  • Hitch 2008/06/30 00:21:29
    no it's not possible because...
    Hitch
    +1
    “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

    Other than that, think about how likely it would be that he'd be able to hide this and no media organization would find out? Very, very, very unlikely.
  • Bill - ... Hitch 2008/06/30 02:28:26
    Bill - McGee - 2012 "I am a Terrorist "
    more than just simply what you wrote hitch, the law in effect at the time of his birth, the questions about his Birth Cert., also the one presented on his site is missing several IMPORTANT indicators...
    i agree it would be hard to keep something like this a secret, but if you recall the scandal a while back about the people caught digging through the candidate's passport information, and that's been suggested as one possible way that the real information may have been found out..

    IDK either way, i've just presented the story here and am looking for comments, discussion and answers...
  • StarrGazerr 2008/06/19 13:21:04
    no it's not possible because...
    StarrGazerr
    +1
    http://weblogs.baltimoresun.c...

    Just when you thought it was safe to turn on the TV......

    It took some weeks to settle the ultimately irrelevant and immaterial question of whether Arizona Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, was eligible to become president. Irrelevant and immaterial because, should McCain win the election, can you imagine the courts invalidating his triumph by declaring him constitutionally ineligible to hold the office to which he had just been elected? Been down that road, as I recall.

    Nevertheless, senators from both parties (Patrick Leahy and Tom Coburn) and constitutional scholars of the left and right (Lawrence Tribe and Theodore Olsen) examined the law and the facts and announced that McCain, who was born to American parents in a U.S. naval hospital in the U.S.-administered Panama Canal Zone, met the Second Amendment's requirement that a president must be a "natural-born citizen."

    The Constitution doesn't define "natural-born citizen;" as generations of jurists have pointed out, much of that document's brilliance lies in its ambiguity. But a little research showed that the question had actually been asked and answered way back in 1790, when the very first Congress passed a statute declaring that "the children of citizens of th..."""



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    Just when you thought it was safe to turn on the TV......

    It took some weeks to settle the ultimately irrelevant and immaterial question of whether Arizona Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, was eligible to become president. Irrelevant and immaterial because, should McCain win the election, can you imagine the courts invalidating his triumph by declaring him constitutionally ineligible to hold the office to which he had just been elected? Been down that road, as I recall.

    Nevertheless, senators from both parties (Patrick Leahy and Tom Coburn) and constitutional scholars of the left and right (Lawrence Tribe and Theodore Olsen) examined the law and the facts and announced that McCain, who was born to American parents in a U.S. naval hospital in the U.S.-administered Panama Canal Zone, met the Second Amendment's requirement that a president must be a "natural-born citizen."

    The Constitution doesn't define "natural-born citizen;" as generations of jurists have pointed out, much of that document's brilliance lies in its ambiguity. But a little research showed that the question had actually been asked and answered way back in 1790, when the very first Congress passed a statute declaring that "the children of citizens of the United States, that may be borne beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural-born citizens of the United States." The Senate unanimously passed a resolution recognizing that "John Sidney McCain III is a natural-born citizen." On to more important things.

    Or so we thought.

    Now making the Internet rounds is a posting questioning whether McCain's presumptive Democratic opponent, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, is a natural-born citizen and therefore constitutionally qualified to be president. I suppose it was only a matter of time.

    Anyway, this particular post, whose authorship is unclear, suggests that Obama is "not legally a U.S. natural-born citizen under to the law on the books at the time of his birth...". According to the poster, if only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of birth, the citizen-parent "must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16." Obama's father, of course, was not an American citizen, having been born in Kenya. That leaves his mother, who was a natural-born citizen, but who was only 18 when Obama was born, on August 4, 1961. In the poster's opinion, Obama fails the constitutional test because his citizen-mother had not resided in the U.S. for five years after the age of 16--not old enough, at the time of Obama's birth, "to qualify her son for automatic U.S. citizenship."

    Now pay strict attention, because I'm only going to explain this once: Is Barack Obama a natural-born citizen of the United States and therefore eligible to become president? The answer is yes, according to Ron Gotcher, a noted California immigration lawyer and The Swamp's resident expert on presidential eligibility.

    "The poster's confusion," Gotcher writes, "is over the concepts of jus sanguinis and jus soli." Under jus sanguinis, a person's citizenship is transmitted "by the blood" - by inheritance from his or her parents or grandparents. In the United States, we recognize citizenship through parentage in a number of cases.

    But it is not necessary to look to the statutes that deal with citizenship through jus sanguinis, since Senator Obama's citizenship derives from jus soli - citizenship through place of birth.

    According to Gotcher, "The Fourteenth Amendment commands that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States , and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."

    "This was clarified by the Civil Rights Act of April 9, 1866, which provided that 'All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power are declared to be citizens of the United States.'"

    "Senator Obama was born in the State of Hawaii two years after it became a state on Aug.21, 1959 As such, he acquired United States citizenship automatically at birth. While it is not necessary to go into all of the other legal errors contained in the posting (and there are many), the simple fact is that, with rare exceptions (children of diplomats), everyone born in the United States is a citizen of the United States at birth."

    But what about the age of Obama's mother? Remember jus soli--citizenship through place of birth? (c'mon--there IS going to be a quiz). In that case--which happens to be Obama's case--the age of the parents has nothing to do with anything. Under jus soli even the children of illegal aliens are U.S. citizens at birth--just ask the pregnant women from Mexico near the end of their third trimester who try to sneak across the border in hopes their child will be born in a San Diego hospital and leave with a U.S. birth certificate clutched in his or her tiny hand.

    Except for the children of diplomats, every child born in the U.S. is a natural-born U.S. citizen, period. The parents could be citizens themselves, could be from France, could be Coneheads. Nothing else matters. Only if the child is born OUTSIDE the United States to one citizen-parent does the issue of the parents' age, citizenship, or whatever, come into play.

    "All that matters is that the child is born here, " Gotcher says. "This is the reason that you are hearing so much fuss in Congress about changing the law that grants 'birthright citizenship.'" But even such a law, however unlikely to pass, would not be retroactive. If Barack Obama wins the presidential election he can begin choosing the furniture for the Oval Office without watching for immigration agents over his shoulder.
    (more)
  • Bill - ... StarrGa... 2008/06/19 16:51:34
    Bill - McGee - 2012 "I am a Terrorist "
    good post.. thanks...
  • billeib 2008/06/17 00:36:28
    Undecided
    billeib
    +1
    Your article is flawed. Here are the requirements for President of the USA.

    What is all the requirement for a president?
    In: Jobs and Education

    Article Two of the Constitution sets the principal qualifications to be eligible for election as President. A Presidential candidate must:

    * be a natural-born citizen of the United States;

    * be at least thirty-five years old;

    * have been resident in the United States for at least fourteen years.


    Additionally, the Constitution disqualifies some people from the Presidency. Under Article One of the United States Constitution, the Senate has the option, upon conviction, of disqualifying impeached individuals from holding other federal offices, including the Presidency.[4] Under the Twenty-Second Amendment, no one can be elected President more than twice. The Twenty-Second Amendment also specifies that anyone who serves more than two years as President or Acting President, of a term for which someone else was elected President, can only be elected President once. Under the Twelfth Amendment a person who is no longer eligible to be President may not be Vice President either.
  • Bill - ... billeib 2008/06/17 17:50:38 (edited)
    Bill - McGee - 2012 "I am a Terrorist "
    Billeib,
    if the article is flawed, why did you select undecided?

    The article references a law on the books from 1952 to 1986, and that law covered people who had one non us citizen parent...
    I am still looking for the actual text that includes or covers that law, or dismisses it..
  • Car 2008/06/16 01:10:16
    Yes it's entirely possible because....
    Car
    Anything is possible and if that's the case where is Hillary??
  • Bill - ... Car 2008/06/16 02:04:29
    Bill - McGee - 2012 "I am a Terrorist "
    +1
    waiting with her "suspended" campaign?
  • JC 2008/06/15 23:32:48
    no it's not possible because...
    JC
    +1
    Good and funny at the same time. But not logical to say it lightly you're reaching. Lets not look for loopholes and concentrate on kicking his ass......
  • Bill - ... JC 2008/06/16 00:34:01
    Bill - McGee - 2012 "I am a Terrorist "
    +1
    i'm not reaching, i'm just seeking opinions and answers...

    Thanks for participating though...

    :)
  • denise 2008/06/15 17:53:51
    Yes it's entirely possible because....
    denise
    The father was not a citizen (diplomat)and the clause mentions the exclusion of the diplomatic
  • Morgan denise 2008/06/17 00:15:19
    Morgan
    +1
    No Denise, you are confusing this with a situation is which people from other countries are in the US in diplomatic service to their own country. Any children born to them are not citizens.

    With that exception, any person born in the US is a US citizen. This is what the 14th Amendment to the US constitution provides. The Constitution is the fundamental law of the United States, and it is supreme over all other US law. You cannot wish its provisions away just because you don't understand or don't like them!

    Senator Obama's father, Barack Hussein Obama Sr, was a college student at the University of Hawaii. He came to the US from his homeland, Kenya, to attend school.

    Senator Obama's mother was also a college student at the University of Hawaii, where she met, fell in love with, and married Barack Hussein Obama Sr.

    Senator Obama was born to these to people in Hawaii, the 50th state of the US. At the time of his birth, Hawaii had been a state for two years. Barack Hussein Obama Jr was born a US citizen, as virtually all persons born in the US are (with the exception noted above for children born to diplomats. You should understand that even if his mother and his father had both been foreign students attending the University, Senator Obama would still be a US citizen because he was born in the US.
  • Shalom 2008/06/14 17:56:10
    Yes it's entirely possible because....
    Shalom
    +1
    he is dishonest person. He is also good at covering his past up. But bits of pieces do come through. I just hope more comes out and with more proof. But that still wont make his worshipers change their minds. They are stubborn as mules.
    covering bits pieces hope proof worshipers change minds stubborn mules
  • Alphalily 2008/06/14 09:42:16
    Yes it's entirely possible because....
    Alphalily
    +2
    Just knowing this possibility and that he is definitely a Kenyan citizen should make the American people wary of his being put in the position of having at least divided loyalties if they cannot see that they are elsewhere in the first place.
  • fluer 2008/06/13 14:58:32 (edited)
    Yes it's entirely possible because....
    fluer
    +2
    What difference will it make they will sweep it under the rug just like Rezko, his being born because of Selma March, his terrorist friends his relative who is behind a bloody coup. He should be down but is up because of rhetoric not anything specific. He will get beat in the end, and take the Democratic party with him. Maybe the implosion will force them to reform and go back to the values of the working class not the latte drinking liberals. Sad day in American History that this man has gotten this far on other peoples's words and beliefs. In a debate he looks like an uneducated and underqualified person.
  • Morgan 2008/06/13 13:47:37
    no it's not possible because...
    Morgan
    +5
    The fact that you can post comments on SodaHead is strongly suggestive of your access to the internet. With such access, you could easily determine that Hawaii is a state--the 50th state--admitted to the union in 1959. Barack Obama was born two years later in 1961. According to the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution:
    "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States"

    Any questions? Any more silly ideas?
  • Bill - ... Morgan 2008/06/13 14:49:24
    Bill - McGee - 2012 "I am a Terrorist "
    +3
    not particularly silly, the question was brought up in a news report, i did some checking and found that it is a topic that's being discussed and brought it here into a poll for discussion and ideas, opinions, ect from other people...
    isn't that what SH is all about..
    didn't think using this forum and asking for opinions and discussion was silly.. but hey, what do i know right?
  • Morgan Bill - ... 2008/06/13 15:51:47
    Morgan
    +4
    News reports, as you must have noticed many times over the past few months, often bring up silly, ill-informed, or irrelevant topics. They can and will do whatever they think it takes to attract viewers.

    I think SodaHead is here for discussion and exchange of opinions. The law, however, is not so much a matter of opinion. You may have opinions about whether the law is right or wrong or promotes good social policy, of course, but what the Constitution says about the citizenship of persons born in the USA is not really in question.

    I'm sorry if I offended you, though. I am probably just weary of the media doing the aforementioned and took it out on you!
  • Bill - ... Morgan 2008/06/13 17:18:55
    Bill - McGee - 2012 "I am a Terrorist "
    +3
    naw you're fine Morgan, you ain't hurt nothing...
    Besides, you're contributing to the poll too.. so it's all good...

    and yeah the media does live for ratings LOL...
  • wolf Bill - ... 2008/06/16 08:26:35 (edited)
    wolf
    +2
    I am responding to the alleged birth certificate below.
    I am sorry but I am not going to believe a doctored up photo of a birth certificate that is posted on the internet.
    When I see that an expert in documents has examined the real birth certificate of the state of Hawaii's raised seal on the document, then maybe.

    Why has the obama camp not complied with the most basic of criteria set forth for being a President of the USA?

    Why did the media and Government officials drop the ball on this one?
    Again.
    A president of the the USA not meeting the requirements of said office is not non-sense to law abiding patriotic Americans and we will never ever shut up if we think someone is trampling on our laws or stars and stripes.
  • Bill - ... wolf 2008/06/16 12:05:32
    Bill - McGee - 2012 "I am a Terrorist "
    +1
    one of the "speculated" reasons for the lack of information is that it would cause more issues for Barack's campaign even if it was not enough to "derail" it, but i do agree that there seems too be much of the common information missing...
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