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Is Obama Lying About His Religion? Do You Even Care?

Cupe Doll August 27, 2010 15:18:55
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Many Americans now believe Barack Hussein Obama to be Muslim. Yet most Americans simply do not know if Obama is secretly Muslim. They cannot know. And that's what sounds to be ringing the greatest alarms.

CNN pundits, for instance, breathily extol religious freedom as an American sacrament. Every next breath, though, they bemoan how much campaigning -- so-called educating -- will be required to persuade Americans that Obama is no secret Muslim. From one breath to the next -- totally oblivious to their superlative hypocrisy. Yes, it's fine being Muslim in America. But no way should anyone ever think Barack Obama actually is Muslim. God forbid anyone even think Obama isn't Christian.

Not in my back yard. Not with my daughter. Not my elected President.

It isn't mere hypocrisy. It's hillarity. As when the White House declared Obama must be Christian – since he prays twice daily. That's right -- only twice. Not five times.

But of course everyone already knows all about constitutionally guaranteed religious freedom. Even on CNN -- surely that can't be news. Not in this century. So what, really, is the issue?

Actually, there would not have been any issue. The subject would never have come up if only Obama had not been heard to gratuitously endorse the Ground Zero mosque. Americans did not know Obama's religion -- and would have been perfectly content to continue neither knowing nor much caring. Why should Americans have given a first, nevermind second thought to Obama's religion? Obama was elected President -- not Pope. Not Ayatollah. There would have been no issue or subject to debate.

But Obama was heard to gratuitously endorse the Ground Zero mosque. And even though Obama clarified the very next day he was not commenting on the wisdom but merely the right to place that mosque at Ground Zero? Americans just can't believe it. Because if Obama was just generally pontificating America's religious freedoms -- to contrast, say, Iran's -- then why particularly, specifically only mention that Ground Zero mosque?

That's what Americans cannot understand. How and why the Ground Zero Mosque can figure as Obama's example in chief when it comes to religious freedom. Since no one can really believe that placing that mosque precisely at Ground Zero is about religious freedom. Since everyone already knows how placing that mosque precisely at Ground Zero is about religious hatred.

Everyone knows it. Not just because Hamas is backing it. Or because there are no legitimately practicing Muslims requiring such a place of worship at Ground Zero – a commercial district. Or because, as Abd Al-Rahman Al-Rashed, director-general of Al-Arabiya TV wrote, legitimate Muslims would not even want there to be a mosque at Ground Zero – “.. it will become an arena for the promoters of hatred, and a monument to those who committed the crime."

We know placing that mosque precisely at Ground Zero is about religious hatred because we understand the difference between legitimate Muslims and Islamists. Because we get the meaning of militant Islamic fundamentalism – Islamism – in the West. And it wasn’t 9/11 that taught us the difference, either. It’s a spurious and pernicious myth that we’ve become Islamophobic since 9/11. In the tolerant West we do not mistake all Muslims for militant fundamentalists. We know far better.

It was the days after 9/11. Whenever we’ve seen the dancing in Middle-Eastern Islamist streets. Seen it on T.V. Seen it on Al-Jazeera and CNN. The collective Islamist rejoicing. And we even tried laughing it off – with the (non)Muhammad cartoons, for instance. We tried laughing Islamism off as we would Christian fundamentalism.

There’s no laughing Islamist hatred off, though. We get it. In New York and in London. In Madrid, Moscow and Mumbai. In Africa, Asia, Europe, America and, of course, the Middle East. Nobody laughs off Islamist hatred. Everyone gets it.

Islam is a great religion of peace – increasingly hijacked by militant Islamic fundamentalists. By Islamists. And nobody can ignore how evil Islamists are. Because, by this day and age, only Islamist societies remain sufficiently fundamentalist to righteously enslave women, terrorize every other culture there is and proudly declare their genocidal ambitions.

The Ground Zero mosque is not for legitimate Muslims. Legitimate Muslims don’t want a mosque at Ground Zero. Placing that mosque at Ground Zero is for the Islamists. Because only at Ground Zero will that mosque become destination 1 for Islamists to come celebrate 9/11. Only at Ground Zero can that mosque become Islamism’s holiest site. Only at Ground Zero will that mosque stand legacy to Islamist supremacy.

That’s the real reason Obama’s religious beliefs have become such an issue. Because after endorsing placing that mosque at Ground Zero as if doing so were about religious freedom – rather than religious hatred? We can no longer conceive what Obama was thinking.

Why would Obama support placing that mosque at Ground Zero? There’s no issue whether Obama be Muslim or Christian. The real issue is how Obama really feels about every Islamist cause that Ground Zero mosque will so immaculately serve.

Perhaps, just maybe, Democratic pundits and mainstream media commentators should cease blaming anti-Islamic sentiments for the ire Obama has roused. Because our ire is anti-Islamist -- not anti-Islamic. Because most people can tell the difference. Because, among those that cannot, pundits and commentators are themselves fanning Islamophobic flames.

Instead of blaming anti-Islamic sentiments and educating how truly Christian Obama is? Why not reassure that Obama can harbor no Islamist sympathies? That Obama fully understands how Islamism contradicts everything America stands for – and how Islamist sympathy can mean nothing but enmity for freedom and democracy?

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  • Theodon August 27, 2010 15:59:11 (edited)
    He's probably lying. It's just terrible.
    Theodon
    +8
    obama's birth father was a devout muslim

    obama's step father was a devout muslim

    obama's mother was an atheist

    obama's mentor of 20 years was a black liberation thelologist who assigns white guilt and exalts black victimhood

    i read obama's first book and i do not recall his entering a church or a mention of jesus christ in it

    the first mention of christianity in obama's first book that i remember was when he was trying to gain acceptance in the black community of chicago and the community activist he was working with suggested the way to acceptance in the black community was through rev wright's church

    perhaps, obama is just a political opportunist who assumes the trappings of christianity for purely political purposes

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  • Manwë October 10, 2010 18:28:29
    He's not lying. And it's nobody's business anyway. Move on.
    Manwë
    Everyone has an opinion about what his religion is. He states he is Christian. What makes a Christian? Proclaim that you are a Christian and you are one. No one can know what another believes except through their statements.

    A big deal is made about a Muslim father, a Muslim step-father, and an atheist mother. How about a Christian grandfather and grandmother who had as much or more impact on him growing up? How about those currently around him in his adult life, including his wife and her family?
  • james2013 August 28, 2010 01:21:09
    He's probably lying. So what? It's nobody's business. Move on.
    james2013
    +2
    The Bible says: "You shall know them by their fruits". Matthew 7:16. If you have watched and listened these past almost 2 years and still wonder if he is a Christian. I am certain he is not. But he is president now and I don't really care what he claims is his religion. It no longer matters.The press corps doesn't care. Many of the voters don't care. I've said it before and I'll say it again, anyone can claim to be Christian but not everyone who makes the claim is. A Christian lives by the ten commandments and don't lie, cheat, and steal. That's a clear enough indicator to anyone of whether someone is Christian or not.
  • Annie~P... james2013 August 28, 2010 04:27:31 (edited)
    Annie~Pro American~Pro Israel
    +1
    You hit the nail spot on James. Another dead give away is when someone attempts to use bible verses and always gets the true meanings all wrong.
  • Annie~Pro American~Pro Israel August 28, 2010 00:38:12
    He's probably lying. It's just terrible.
    Annie~Pro American~Pro Israel
    +2
    Am surprised the % of people thinking BO is Muslim is not higher.
  • Cupe Doll Annie~P... August 28, 2010 00:59:30
    Cupe Doll
    +2
    Lol. It's 81% right now. You're surprised it isn't higher?
  • Annie~P... Cupe Doll August 28, 2010 04:30:51 (edited)
    Annie~Pro American~Pro Israel
    +1
    81% that believe BO is a Muslim or is not? Thought all week i had been hearing only 20% of Americans believe BO is Muslim. So, if i have been hearing wrong then i welcome being wrong about this!
  • Cupe Doll Annie~P... August 28, 2010 12:36:12
    Cupe Doll
    +1
    Well, these SodaHead polls are not exactly scientific. Still, the numbers seem to jive. Mainstream media tells us around 20% think BO is Muslim -- and around 60% just don't know what religion he is. And putting those numbers together, they come out pretty much like our poll here.

    What mainstream media doesn't tell us is whether people even care -- and that's something this poll also tries to get at.

    And then, of course, there's my argument. People shouldn't care. Because if Obama really is into Rev. Wright or into placing that mosque at Ground Zero? Then he's into religious hatred -- not religious freedom. And if he's into religious hatred then it doesn't even matter if he comes across Christian, Muslim or both.
  • srini August 27, 2010 19:45:29
    He's probably lying. It's just terrible.
    srini
    +3
    I can count the number of times he's told the truth on one hand (in this case, the right-hand of Horatio Nelson*** as of 1804).

    ***British Admiral Nelson of Trafalgar Square statue.
  • pH~ Xisi~aet August 27, 2010 19:35:17
  • Cupe Doll pH~ Xis... August 27, 2010 22:27:46
    Cupe Doll
    +2
    Nice try. And yea, I know that's the donkey party line -- how stupid anyone that doesn't agree has got to be. But really -- you've got to be not only stupid but crazy not to get what the issue is.

    Whether Obama is secretly into false-christian religious hatred (as any follower of rev. Jeremiah would have to be) or if he's into false-muslim religious hatred (as anyone endorsing an islamist mosque at ground zero would have to be) doesn't even matter. Because dude keeps acting out like a religious hater.

    So yea -- we don't know what brand of religious hatred it'll be tomorrow. Maybe dude's lying about the brand of hatred he's into most.

    The hatred itself, though? That just keeps spewing out. Religiously.
  • pH~ Xis... Cupe Doll August 27, 2010 23:36:45
  • Annie~P... pH~ Xis... August 28, 2010 00:41:10
    Annie~Pro American~Pro Israel
    +2
    Then Jimbo, prove it is not a false christian religion. Have you even read the Rev. Wright's church doctrine?
  • pH~ Xis... Annie~P... August 28, 2010 17:55:00 (edited)
  • Annie~P... pH~ Xis... September 25, 2010 06:58:05
    Annie~Pro American~Pro Israel
    +1
    I have read the doctrine and it is not Christian. If you have a problem with my true statement, prove me wrong by using google. Google, Rev. Wright's church doctrine, it's been all over the internet. God ph, you want everyone to do everything for you.
  • Cupe Doll pH~ Xis... August 28, 2010 01:15:26
    Cupe Doll
    +1
    Jimbo, true religion preaches love. Preaching hatred like rev. Wright does? That's false religion. And building a mosque at Ground Zero to open on the anniversary of 9/11 -- that's beyond hatred. That's a celebration of mass murder.

    Get it, Jimbo? Legitimate Muslims don't want that mosque at Ground Zero. Because Islam is a great religion of peace. But Islam has been hijacked by militant Islamic fundamentalists. By Islamists. And it's Islamists that want that mosque at Ground Zero to celebrate 9/11.

    How evil are Islamists? Put it this way, Jimbo. By this day and age, only Islamist societies remain sufficiently fundamentalist to righteously enslave women, terrorize every other culture there is and proudly declare their genocidal ambitions.
  • pH~ Xis... Cupe Doll August 28, 2010 18:13:56
  • Cupe Doll pH~ Xis... August 28, 2010 21:54:51
    Cupe Doll
    Not a mosque? Not ground zero? Oh my god. Jimbo? I really truly got'ta apologize to you. Here I was thinking you were a member of Hamas -- and you totally proved me wrong. Because you, my friend, are standing up against Hamas. Yes, you are. You the real man. Because when Hamas leaders say Muslims "have to build" that mosque at ground zero? After Al-Zahar, the co-founder and Gaza Hamas chief said that on on "Aaron Klein Investigative Radio" on WABC-AM? Thank g0d for you, Jimbo. Now Hamas have got to know how wrong they are. Because you -- yes, YOU -- Jimbo, say it's neither mosque nor Ground Zero.

    As for preaching hatred like Rev. Jeremiah and Islamists everywhere do? Hey, you go on knock yourself out defending false-religious hatred. I have no doubt Obama fully agrees with you. He claims to be all about religious freedom -- but I bet he'd love to have a beer and share the hatred with you.
  • pH~ Xis... Cupe Doll August 31, 2010 15:37:15
  • Cupe Doll pH~ Xis... August 31, 2010 17:53:00
    Cupe Doll
    Do not be a complete buffoon. The subject is precisely what Obama endorsed. What Hamas supports. What even more legitimate Muslims oppose. The Ground Zero mosque.

    Read the article you're commenting on, eh?
  • pH~ Xis... Cupe Doll August 31, 2010 20:55:29
  • Cupe Doll pH~ Xis... August 31, 2010 21:43:36 (edited)
    Cupe Doll
    Not just ridiculous. Also factually wrong.

    Jimbo here would really like us to believe Islamists don't want the Ground Zero mosque built -- and that legitimate muslims do. Maybe Jimbo is too confused for (coherent) words. Or else, maybe Jimbo is lying to itself. Either way, Jimbo can't lie to us. Not if it lies this badly.

    The truth? It's Islamists that want the Ground Zero mosque built. Legitimate muslims do not want the Ground Zero mosque built.

    Why? Obviously. Because that Ground Zero mosque will be a monument to terror. And that's not what legitimate muslims want. Since Islam is a great religion of peace. A great religion hijacked by militant Islamic fundamentalists. By evil Islamists.

    As Al-Rahed said: "I can't imagine that Muslims [actually] want a mosque at this particular location, because it will become an arena for the promoters of hatred, and a monument to those who committed the crime."

    Arab TV chief: 9/11 mosque would be 'monument' to terror
  • pH~ Xis... Cupe Doll September 02, 2010 22:43:38
  • Cupe Doll pH~ Xis... September 03, 2010 04:51:23
    Cupe Doll
    Jimbo wants us to stop standing up to Islamists. He wants us to appease the Islamists. Let the Islamists do whatever they want -- including celebrating 9/11 at their Ground Zero mosque.

    Why does Jimbo want us submitting ourselves to the Islamists? Obviously. To better appease them. To mollify them. Because if we give in to the Islamists? This will actually make them weaker -- and ultimately work to our advantage against them.

    Me? I'm thinking Jimbo here is either an Islamist -- or a radical progressive Islamist cheerleader.
  • pH~ Xis... Cupe Doll September 03, 2010 21:16:11
  • Cupe Doll pH~ Xis... September 03, 2010 22:25:17 (edited)
    Cupe Doll
    When people disagree with Jimbo? He calls them stupid. But what an Islamist like Jimbo can't realize is the whole world -- smart people, stupid people, christian people, even muslim people -- now know how crucial it is to resist Islamist evil.

    After the unending atrocities Islamist societies continue in Africa, in Asia, in Europe and in America? After New York, London, Madrid, Mumbai and Moscow -- to name just the most famous Islamist terrorist attacks in cities throughout the world?

    Anyone and everyone, almost regardless how stupid or smart, has got to know by now how evil Islamists are. How evil? Put it this way:

    Only Islamist societies remain sufficiently fundamentalist to proudly declare their genocidal ambitions, terrorize every other culture there is and righteously enslave women.
  • pH~ Xis... Cupe Doll September 04, 2010 18:16:58
  • Cupe Doll pH~ Xis... September 04, 2010 20:20:49
    Cupe Doll
    Don't apologize, Jimbo. There's no need. See -- none of this is personal. You're just another alias on the internet -- and so am I. We don't know each other. All we know is each other's words.

    So don't feel bad. Don't lose sleep. You go right on calling me stupid. Since I'm not the subject here and since I don't know you from any other hole in the ground? It's just irrelevant.
  • pH~ Xis... Cupe Doll September 05, 2010 18:48:13
  • Cupe Doll pH~ Xis... September 06, 2010 20:57:34
    Cupe Doll
    I'm sure that tidbit of personal information is terribly important to you Jimbo. You just go on talking about yourself.
  • teigan pH~ Xis... September 04, 2010 02:35:17
    teigan
    +1
    They are enlisting new terrorist by the hundreds because we have a weak ass President, which sympathizes with radicals.
  • pH~ Xis... teigan September 04, 2010 18:27:17
  • teigan pH~ Xis... September 04, 2010 19:03:33
    teigan
    +1
    So your answer is appeasement, you are a fool, terrorist pray on the weak. They always have and always will. Your answer of appeasement will result in the death of this country that you claim to give a damn about.
  • pH~ Xis... teigan September 05, 2010 18:57:22
  • teigan pH~ Xis... September 05, 2010 22:31:21
    teigan
    +1
    That's what you want, appeasement. You left wing freaks want to turn our country over because of your fear.
  • Cupe Doll teigan September 06, 2010 21:03:22
    Cupe Doll
    I suspect Jimbo isn't a radical leftie. Sounds more like an Islamist electronic Jihadi. Native lefties do way better English -- and mostly don't advocate appeasing the Islamists.
  • pH~ Xis... Cupe Doll September 06, 2010 22:44:46
  • Cupe Doll Cupe Doll September 07, 2010 01:07:08 (edited)
    Cupe Doll
    Jimbo here wants us all to be appeasing the Islamists. Because, obviously, Islamists are too scary to stand up to. On the other hand? Jimbo seems to think it would be absurd to be scared of them Islamists.

    That's alright, though. Jimbo doesn't need to make sense. It doesn't matter how confused Jimbo gets. Because Jimbo can't confuse anyone else.

    After the unending atrocities Islamist societies continue in Africa, in Asia, in Europe and in America? After New York, London, Madrid, Mumbai and Moscow -- to name just the most famous Islamist terrorist attacks in cities throughout the world?

    Nobody is confused anymore. Anyone and everyone, regardless how stupid or smart, has got to know by now how evil Islamists are. How evil? Put it this way:

    Only Islamist societies remain sufficiently fundamentalist to proudly declare their genocidal ambitions, terrorize every other culture there is and righteously enslave women.
  • pH~ Xis... teigan September 06, 2010 22:34:42
  • teigan pH~ Xis... September 06, 2010 23:06:34
    teigan
    +1
    We don't run on fear, that's the propaganda machine speaking and you parroting. We don't hate, you libs do. Your protests are violent, ours are peaceful. Libs are the only ones I've heard speaking hate. I see that you were able to fit most of your liberal talking points into one post. You're a good little puppet.
  • Annie~P... pH~ Xis... September 25, 2010 07:01:37 (edited)
    Annie~Pro American~Pro Israel
    +1
    ph, it you cannot truly see what the problem is with a victory mosque being built on sacred ground zero, there is no hope for humanity for you.... Now you say no such thing as Hama? What are you even doing here?

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