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  • bgf97 2012/08/06 05:21:08
    no, explain
    bgf97
    +1
    On a global political scale, Obama is actually far-right.
  • Vision ... bgf97 2012/08/07 20:44:36
  • ProudCommie 2012/08/06 03:51:31 (edited)
    other, I think this
    ProudCommie
    +1
    He is slightly but not enough if you ask me. If he was a true socialist he would take complete control and fix everything over night. I can't tell you how happy I will be when the USSR makes its return.
  • Lee 2012/07/10 15:21:49
    no, explain
    Lee
    +2
    American Right Wingers think anyone with any common sense at all is a Socialist.

    Lincoln, TR, and Eisenhower, all of them fine Republican Presidents in their day, would be considered Socialists by today's Republican Party, the Latter Day Republicans.

    Latter Day Republicans have as much in common with the Party of Lincoln as Saint Mitt Romney has in common with a Real Saint.

    The GOP has has degenerated into a seething mass of lower life forms, traitors, and parasites completely unable to think as individuals
  • BARRY0619 Lee 2012/07/13 20:02:39
    BARRY0619
    Nope you're wrong again.

    1) Top 7 Marxist Communist Policies Being Implemented By Obama Today

    Throughout history Communist leaders have seized power by promoting themselves as populists, and often completely hiding their own ideology. Indeed in a poll taken after Communist Hugo Chavez' first election victory in Venezuela, only 3% of the electors believed Chavez to be a Socialist, let alone a Communist. Currently 32% of Americans believe Obama to be a Socialist.

    The initial stages of Communization of a country invariably begin with seven basic steps:

    Seizing Control Over The Free Flow Of The Nation's Money

    Obama has stated that he wants to convert the stock the US government now owns in the nation's banks from preferred stock, which is the case currently, to common stock. This modification in type of stock may seem irrelevant at first glance, but under further analysis it is the single greatest communist policy the US government has ever adopted: It means that the federal government will control all of the currently publicly traded major banks and financial institutions in the nation which are currently in the hands of individual shareholders. Not only will the current shareholders' rights be trampled, but the control of the nation's flow of money is the first keystone of communism.

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    Nope you're wrong again.

    1) Top 7 Marxist Communist Policies Being Implemented By Obama Today

    Throughout history Communist leaders have seized power by promoting themselves as populists, and often completely hiding their own ideology. Indeed in a poll taken after Communist Hugo Chavez' first election victory in Venezuela, only 3% of the electors believed Chavez to be a Socialist, let alone a Communist. Currently 32% of Americans believe Obama to be a Socialist.

    The initial stages of Communization of a country invariably begin with seven basic steps:

    Seizing Control Over The Free Flow Of The Nation's Money

    Obama has stated that he wants to convert the stock the US government now owns in the nation's banks from preferred stock, which is the case currently, to common stock. This modification in type of stock may seem irrelevant at first glance, but under further analysis it is the single greatest communist policy the US government has ever adopted: It means that the federal government will control all of the currently publicly traded major banks and financial institutions in the nation which are currently in the hands of individual shareholders. Not only will the current shareholders' rights be trampled, but the control of the nation's flow of money is the first keystone of communism.

    Stripping Capitalists Of Their Assets

    According to US bankruptcy code, secured creditors such as the ones who have outstanding debt against Chrysler and GM, have to be paid before unsecured creditors. That is the law. Obama has ignored this law, and seized the vast majority (89% in GM's case) of all "asset value" of the automakers and taken direct control or given it away for free to the unions. Karl Marx's theses were all based on the workers owning the means of production, and thus communism takes hold in America.

    Changing The Structures Of Government To Suit

    Obama has given the GOP until October to approve his health care plan which many experts have shown, would be as socialized as Cuba's. If the Republican Party does not meet his demands, the Democratic Party will simply change the very rules of the United States Senate to pass their legislation through simple majority, instead of the 60% which has been required by the Senate through history. Changing legislation to suit the leader is another common tactic of communist leaders from Chavez to Castro.

    Taking Advantage Of A Crisis To Impose Communism

    Obama's Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel published a book entitled The Plan which would require (yes, require) young Americans regardless of their political stripe to serve in a direct copy of Hugo Chavez' red-beret local militias. The Plan also promotes massive taxpayer funded programs as universally free university tuition and health care as well as a tax reform to ensure that the middle and upper classes are crushed by the enormous new government expenditures. Obama has already admitted such a "soak anyone making over $250,000/year" punitive tax policy. Emanuel is famous for his quote "you never want a serious crisis to go to waste…(it’s) an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before," which is the prototypical process whereby communists seize power, witness Lenin, Mao, Castro, Tito, et al.

    Controlling Higher Education

    Obama has already launched legislation to remove private lenders from student loans which would now all be provided by the federal government directly, so that it could choose in a totalitarian manner who receives the loans and who doesn't. Many educational institutions are up in arms over this legislation as it essentially shifts admissions policy from the colleges and universities to the federal government. Control of higher education as in Obama's Pell Grant entitlement is an universal characteristic of communism to ensure that the young are properly ideologically indoctrinated.

    Punishing Residential Property Owners

    Obama's enormous mortgage bailout legislation is little more than a full blown entitlement program. The plan forces the 92 percent of responsible home owners to heavily subsidize the irresponsible "ARM-ATM" mortgage holders who didn't read their ARM mortgages and used their home equity like ATMs. These taxes would be so overwhelming that many of the "responsible" majority of mortgage holders could lose their homes. The punishment leading to the elimination of property owners in favor of the state is a fundamental tenet of Marxism, as Karl wrote "the middle-class owner of property: This person must indeed, be swept out of the way, and made impossible."

    Demolishing The Economy To Replace It With State Control

    Obama has:

    Handicapped American multinationals by denying them tax deferral, placing them at an enormous competitive disadvantage against corporations based anywhere else.
    Launched entitlement programs which punish innovation and dry up funds for entrepreneurial start ups.
    Stopped the Treasury from implementing any real recovery plans, discouraging private capital flow into the financial sector.
    Stated "we have to spread the wealth around, we have to redistribute the wealth of this country through taxation," which is a paraphrasing of Marx's "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
    Declared a "War On Business" as shown by his legislation that pharmaceutical corporations pay high rebate fees to Medicaid and promoting the importation of foreign drugs which could include low potency or outright counterfeit drugs into the nation. The financial outlook for US pharmaceutical companies has been decimated.
    Placed nearly two thirds of a trillion dollars into a health reform reserve fund, which is the tip of the iceberg in the expectations of the cost of fully socialized medicine in America. USA Today has stated that every household in the United States would be on the hook for over half a million dollars.

    All of these policies represent time-honored Communist policies specifically designed to devastate the free market economy as well as impoverish and punish the upper and middle classes leading to their elimination so that the Communist "Dictatorship Of The Proletariat" can be introduced. It is important to note that in each and every historical instance Communism has been introduced into democratic countries and they were all swiftly changed to totalitarian dictatorships of a single leader benefiting from a "Cult Of Personality."

    Policies virtually identical to these were implemented by:

    Vladimir Ilyich Lenin in 1917 Russia
    Josip Broz Tito in 1945 Yugoslavia
    Mao Zedong (Tse-tung) in 1949 China
    Fidel Castro in 1959 Cuba
    Hugo Chavez in 1999 Venezuela

    and now they are being implemented by

    Barack Hussein Obama in 2009 United States of America.

    That is why Bloomberg.com has called Obama a "Manchurian Candidate" set to destroy the US economy once elected.

    http://hallicino.hubpages.com...

    2) Comparing Obama's Policies with French Socialist Hollande

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/m...
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  • Lee BARRY0619 2012/07/13 21:10:46 (edited)
    Lee
    +1
    32 % of Americans are incredibly f*cking stupid.

    The lies and stupidity in your spiel are proof of mental and emotional infirmity.

    Most Right Wingers are so dumb, they shouldn't even be allowed to vote.

    By they way, Right Wing Nut Job websites are not at all credible.
  • BARRY0619 Lee 2012/07/13 22:47:58
    BARRY0619
    Prove any of it wrong "genius"...

    Didn't think you could...lol
  • Lee BARRY0619 2012/07/13 23:02:18 (edited)
    Lee
    +1
    It's all wrong. And it's so incredibly stupid, that it doesn't rate any serious rebuttal.


    By the way, did you know that Mitt Romney wears magic underwear?

    He thinks it protects him from evil. And that brings up the question:

    Do we really want a President who wears magic underwear?

    Do we want the country to go in that direction?

    thinks protects evil brings president wears magic underwear country direction
  • BARRY0619 Lee 2012/07/14 15:29:44
    BARRY0619
    Didn't think you could refute the post genius.

    By the way, I could care less what underwear Romney wears. You trying to tell us in a round about way that you are secretly attracted to him Lee? Well, please keep those feelings to yourself. ROFL!!
  • Lee BARRY0619 2012/07/14 16:48:31 (edited)
    Lee
    +1
    Your post is a ridiculous lie . . . everything in it.

    lol

    And you think I'm secretly attracted to Romney? Let me think . . . . Nope.

    He definitely doesn't attract me as a Presidential candidate, or as person.

    He's as phony as a three dollar bill.

    He's all pretense . . . Just like the vast majority of your Right Wing leadership.
  • BARRY0619 Lee 2012/07/15 01:15:31 (edited)
    BARRY0619
    It's okay genius if you are attracted to him...I could care less... but you're the one that brought up his underwear genius...or did you forget? lol
  • Lee BARRY0619 2012/07/15 05:37:03
    Lee
    +1
    No I didn't forget.

    Saint M*tt, who's full of Sh*t, also wears magic underwear .. . Underwear blessed by the Holy Spirit that supposedly protects him from evil.

    Do we really want the nation to head in that direction?

    I mean really? Magic Underwear?

    If Romney becomes President, it's only a matter of time before the Department of Homeland security forces all of us to wear this magic underwear for our own protection.

    And who is going to pay for 300 MILLION pairs of magic underwear?

    . . . The American Taxpayer, that's who.
  • BARRY0619 Lee 2012/07/15 20:36:25
    BARRY0619
    Want to compare Romney's lies and flipflops to O'Turd's? If Mitt is full of it, it should be an easy right? LOL
  • Lee BARRY0619 2012/07/15 23:06:44
    Lee
    No . . . It would be easy enough.

    But then . . .you would be introducing a bunch of lies and exaggerations into the mix . . . as Right Wing Nut Jobs tend to do . . . And so what's the point?
  • BARRY0619 Lee 2012/07/15 23:13:39
    BARRY0619
    "No . . . It would be easy enough." Okay, then let's compare....I even have videos...
  • Lee BARRY0619 2012/07/15 23:26:38
    Lee
    yeah . . .but they're all made up bull sh*t videos.

    You know how you right wingers are.

    Just the same old lies and mindless blah blah.

    it gets boring.
  • BARRY0619 Lee 2012/07/16 00:07:17
    BARRY0619
    Nope many are direct quotes from O'Turd's mouth:

    obama fly gif
  • Lee BARRY0619 2012/07/16 00:12:29
    Lee
    Stupid graphics are no substitute for logic and solid evidence.

    But if that's all you've got, that's all you've got.
  • BARRY0619 Lee 2012/07/16 00:15:30
    BARRY0619
    I still have my irrefutable direct quote videos. The "Stupid" graphic fits O'Turd to a T.
  • Roger47 BARRY0619 2012/08/07 20:43:44
  • Scalded Eagle 2012/06/18 13:48:44
    yes, explain
    Scalded Eagle
    Yeppers, if it walks like a duck and lies like a smuck...
  • beach bum 2012/06/17 11:23:01
    other, I think this
    beach bum
    unsure
  • Magnus ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮ 2012/06/17 08:34:20
    yes, explain
    Magnus ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮
    Yes he is, but I wish people would stop using the pseudonyms of MARXISM.

    Synonyms: Bolshevik, Bolshevist, Communist Party member, Castroite, Commie, Leninist, Maoist, Marxist, Party member, Red, Socialist, Stalinist, Trotskyite, Viet Cong, apparatchik, com-symp, comrade, fellow traveler, member of the Communist Party, pinko, sympathizer.
    Antonyms: Capitalist, Conservative, Fascist

    Communist & Socialist [same meaning for both entries]:
    left-wing | Liberal
    Synonyms: communist, leftist, radical, socialist

    Totalitarian | Dictatorial:
    Synonyms: Nazi, absolute, authoritarian, autocratic, communist, despotic, fascistic, monolithic, one-party, oppressive, total, totalistic, tyrannical, undemocratic
    Antonyms: democratic
  • real.ity.58 2012/06/17 07:51:43 (edited)
    yes, explain
    real.ity.58
  • TheTruth1313 2012/06/17 07:02:25
    yes, explain
    TheTruth1313
    OH HELL YES!! I've only been pointing this out for longer than I have been on SH.
  • Joe C Sr 2012/06/17 01:59:45
    yes, explain
    Joe C Sr
    Do you think?
  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/17 01:42:04
    yes, explain
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +1
    He is putting through the Cloward-Piven strategy to turn any country into a socialist state.
  • Scalded... Temlako... 2012/06/18 13:46:09
    Scalded Eagle
    +1
    Indeed he is my friend.
  • abubincrazy 2012/06/17 01:34:44
    yes, explain
    abubincrazy
    +1
    He socialized (stole) our health care industry. It won't stand, as it is clearly unconstitutional, but he did it.
    His policies steal money from the private sector, and tax the bejeezus out of people with jobs, and give that money to him and his partners in crime to "redistribute" as they see fit.
    He stole $5 trillion so far, and gave most of it to unions-his biggest backers.
    He's promised to steal more from us. No wonder unemployment is "unprecedented".
    YEP-he's a frigging socialist.
  • will 2012/06/16 22:35:23
    yes, explain
    will
    +1
    Look who his friends are
    obama china leader

    friends
  • none 2012/06/16 22:28:09
    yes, explain
    none
    +2
    Everything he does points in that direction, he obviously doesn't like capitalism or businesses in the US.
  • redhorse29 2012/06/16 21:53:58
    yes, explain
    redhorse29
    +1
    Just looks at his record and personal/political belief structure.
  • Maci 2012/06/16 20:29:43
  • ray Maci 2012/06/16 22:49:27
    ray
    +1
    You're right. They love him!
  • bgf97 ray 2012/08/06 05:22:51
    bgf97
    As a Communist, I can say we most certainly do not love Obama. He is no friend of the class struggle. He is a sympathizer of the Bourgeoisie just as much as Romney is.
  • Kaleokualoha 2012/06/16 20:16:55
    no, explain
    Kaleokualoha
    Again?? (Heavy sigh!!) Anyone who supports ANY government regulation may be considered a "socialist," but only those who believe in the replacement of capitalism with collective ownership of the means of production and distribution are MARXIST socialists!

    Just as Chicken Little started a "sky is falling" hysteria based on a falling acorn, so too are various critics pushing a "socialist" or "Marxist" Obama hysteria based on Obama's economic policies. Not only do they conveniently forget that the 2008 bailout was initiated by the Bush administration, but they also seem to have forgotten some basics from Econ 101. They could easily avoid such non sequitur nonsense by following the evidence instead of jumping to conclusions.

    According to dictionary.com, socialism is "a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. In Marxist theory, it is the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles."

    Please note that it is the stage FOLLOWING capitalism. Capitalism has many forms in a mixed economy, with public (collective) ownership of various ...















    Again?? (Heavy sigh!!) Anyone who supports ANY government regulation may be considered a "socialist," but only those who believe in the replacement of capitalism with collective ownership of the means of production and distribution are MARXIST socialists!

    Just as Chicken Little started a "sky is falling" hysteria based on a falling acorn, so too are various critics pushing a "socialist" or "Marxist" Obama hysteria based on Obama's economic policies. Not only do they conveniently forget that the 2008 bailout was initiated by the Bush administration, but they also seem to have forgotten some basics from Econ 101. They could easily avoid such non sequitur nonsense by following the evidence instead of jumping to conclusions.

    According to dictionary.com, socialism is "a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. In Marxist theory, it is the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles."

    Please note that it is the stage FOLLOWING capitalism. Capitalism has many forms in a mixed economy, with public (collective) ownership of various enterprises based upon economic conditions. Limited public ownership does not comprise Marxist socialism, which requires complete public ownership. When controlled by a police state, however, limited public ownership may become fascism ("national socialism"), Marxist socialism, or even "perfect implementation of collectivist principles." Limited public ownership occurs at virtually every point on the mixed economy spectrum.

    Every advocate of greater government economic control might be called a "socialist," but none are true socialists unless they advocate the complete elimination of private enterprise, which requires the complete replacement of capitalism with collectivism. True (laissez-faire) capitalism means zero government control of private enterprise, which is economic anarchy. Neither of these extremes works in the long run. Every successful economy is a mixed economy, existing somewhere on a spectrum between both extremes. Every successful economy is part capitalist and part socialist. They all contain a mix of private and public ownership, and they all have some government control of private enterprise. The only relevant question is "WHERE on this spectrum can we achieve the greatest success?" The rise of Asian economies, with their varying degrees of centralized planning, proves that economic planning helps economic development.

    Both laissez faire capitalism and true communism are artificial constructs, as impossible to sustain as cold fusion. Every successful society requires private enterprise regulated by public policy, regardless of Ayn Rand's fantasies. Extremists on either fringe are equally delusional. In some ways regulation is a necessary evil like body fat: too much or too little are both lethal. The normal tendency is to add layers with age. The challenge is to find the level that will produce the optimum outcome, all things considered.

    Unless someone advocates the complete replacement of capitalism with collectivism, they do not truly advocate socialism or communism. To accuse them of either, when they have not explicitly advocated as much themselves, suggests either unfamiliarity with mixed economies or intellectual dishonesty. Even George W. Bush and John McCain were accused of advocating socialism based upon their support of 2008 bailout legislation.

    The bottom line is simple. If you consider any variation of a mixed economy, including ANY public ownership or regulation of industry to be "socialism," then the United States and ALL other economies are "socialist." The debate is over, because by that definition we have been "socialist" since the 18th century. If you only consider complete collectivism to be "socialism," according to Marxist theory, then no successful economy is actually "socialist." The closest to a Marxist socialist economy is the economic basket case, North Korea. If you consider socialism to occur at some other point on the spectrum between unregulated capitalism and Marxist socialism, then any such point would be arbitrary.

    To accuse a mixed economy advocate of being a socialist or communist suggests that you believe that ANY degree of government regulation qualifies as "socialism," or that you believe that any regulation beyond an indefinite "trigger point" qualifies as "socialism,", and that YOU get to set the trigger point. The "trigger point" explanation reminds me of the egocentric explorer who says that anyone who explores farther into dangerous territory is a fool, but anyone who doesn’t explore as far as he does is a coward. His arrogance presumes that his own boundaries are common standards.

    Marxist "socialism," in contrast to European "democratic socialism," requires collective ownership of the means of production in lieu of capitalism. That is the death of private enterprise. We may or may not be on a path to collectivism, just as a dating couple may or may not be on a path to pregnancy. Traveling on a path in any direction does not imply any specific goal. For example, traveling on Interstate 10 does not imply that either coast is the goal.

    "Direction" is one thing. "Goal" is another. All mixed economies exist at some point in the spectrum between the fatal terminuses of unregulated capitalism and true socialism. In most Marxist states, however, capitalism reappeared as people recognized the lethal consequences of such extremes. Russia, China and other communist nations now recognize the virtue of mixed economies. They learned the hard way.

    I await empirical evidence, instead of specious speculation, that Obama wants to eliminate capitalism by moving to that extreme. To say Obama advocates the goal of socialism, based upon his movement on the spectrum instead of being based on his explicit advocacy, is to create a straw man. It is intellectually dishonest and unworthy of serious debate.
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  • ray Kaleoku... 2012/06/16 22:58:40
    ray
    +1
    This post seems to have a lot BS.
  • Vision of Verve 2012/06/16 20:11:08
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/06/16 19:47:06
    no, explain
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    NO.... get over it!

    But everyone here on Sodahead seems to support "socialism" for THE WEALTHY!
  • ray Lady Wh... 2012/06/16 22:50:57
    ray
    +1
    Obama is a socialist. He wants to be a dictator, but since he can't be one he has to settle for a socialist.

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