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Is Morgellons 'Crawling Skin' Disease Purely Psychological?

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Morgellons disease is supposedly a skin condition characterized by a "crawling" sensation in the skin, and though it is not a real diagnosis it's often used to describe any number of related symptoms that can't be explained. However, after analysis of skin and blood samples from more than 100 patients, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control is ruling the condition out as a psychological phenomenon.

Spokesman Daniel Rutz explained, "We saw a growing number of people complaining about these unusual symptoms, and as a public health agency we felt the need to see what was going on. It was important to rule out an infectious cause because a lot of people were concerned about transmission ... These sores appear often to be the result of people picking at themselves, as they would if they had a chronic irritation that couldn't be resolved any other way."

According to ABC News, the CDC also found that they detected drug use in about half of the patients and "a neuropsychiatric condition." This has lead scientists to look at other possibilities. One neurologist, Dr. Anne Louise Oaklander of Massachusetts General Hospital, suggests the irritation might be the result of nerve damage that "causes them to fire without appropriate cause."
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  • H H 2012/01/26 21:45:50
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    H H
    +14
    I'm not sure about Morgellons, but I would not be influenced by anything the CDC said. The CDC maintained a position for years that chronic fatigue syndrome was not a real physical illness but a psychological problem. Saying the patient must be crazy for something that is not yet understood by doctors is not good science or good medicine. The CDC lost all credibility with me when they did that.

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  • Zammo Lucy 2012/01/28 21:02:48
    Zammo
    +3
    Ha! Ha! My sister always says she can't stand perfume or men's cologne - it makes her sick. However, I tried dousing myself with some and not telling her and she never noticed. Then I used just a little the next time I saw her and said "I'm trying new aftershave. What do you think?" and she said it was way too strong. She's also always saying she's tired. I said "get more sleep" and she got mad! Go figure.
  • Lucy Zammo 2012/01/29 22:59:08
    Lucy
    +1
    Oh boy! That was a good test. I think I'll try it on one woman I know. She works in a library and she can't clean it (yeah right) because she is sensitive to the cleanser and toilet brush or the dust cloth. Once she took her car to a dealer to be cleaned after her dog was in it alot and when she got the car back, she could not drive it due to the 'smell'. So her husband actually gave in and bought her another car. Unbelievable!!! What are ya gonna do.
  • Zammo Lucy 2012/01/29 23:02:07
    Zammo
    +1
    That's one way to get a new car.
  • Lucy Zammo 2012/01/29 23:04:40
    Lucy
    Yeah, I know. i could not believe he actually gave in to her BS. He is known as Saint Jack, where we live. Once I had a little perfume on my wrist for the Thanksgiving Diner that I was invited to at their home. Just before we left, her sister told me I better wash it off. I was so mad, but I really wanted that dinner so I did.
  • Zammo Lucy 2012/01/29 23:07:43
    Zammo
    That seems like a rude thing to say.
  • Lucy Zammo 2012/01/29 23:10:57
    Lucy
    I know, it was. I thought why should I have to wash off what I thought was a nice touch just because of one loony person. That entire family is another story that could go into a book on bizzarre cases in psychiatry.
  • Zammo Lucy 2012/01/29 23:13:17
    Zammo
    +1
    There seem to be a lot of those around!
  • Lucy Zammo 2012/01/29 23:14:30
    Lucy
    Ha-ha.
  • Kelly K... Lucy 2012/01/28 23:37:54
    Kelly Kearns
    +2
    But that is not common of all or even most of the people with a true diagnosis of CFS. People with a true diagnosis generally feel horrible when they have a flare up and would much prefer to be active than suffer through the flare up. Since CFS does not have a specific diagnosing tool, but is rather generally diagnosed by ruling other things out, you might have met two people that know exactly how to act and what to tell the doctor to get a diagnosis of CFS.

    I have a cousin and a good friend that have CFS and both of them do as much as I do, I can tell by their faces when they don't feel good and/or in pain. They never complain when they aren't doing well, if you don't know them well, then you generally have no idea when they are feeling bad and/or hurting.
  • Lucy Kelly K... 2012/01/29 22:55:34
    Lucy
    I am sorry for them and I know they feel awful, but I will always wonder if it triggered by stress or nerves.
  • Kelly K... Lucy 2012/01/30 00:12:03
    Kelly Kearns
    no, most likely triggered by their autoimmune disorder, lupus.
  • Lucy Kelly K... 2012/01/30 04:00:21
    Lucy
    They don't have lupus. I mean the ones I know.
  • Kelly K... Lucy 2012/01/30 04:41:35
    Kelly Kearns
    +1
    oh thought you meant the ones i know hahahaha

    remember depression goes along with it and is even made worse when people are so physically tired and then being more depressed makes them more physically tired...it's like a circle. some of them just having no motivation at all could very well be depression and depression will also make physical symptoms worse.
  • Lucy Kelly K... 2012/01/30 22:36:07
    Lucy
    I think you figured it out. I do think it is depression and not being able to deal with life when it gets tough. I wonder how a parent can prepare someone better for the real world. Have you noticed it is almost always women who have chronic fatigue syndrome?
  • Kelly K... Lucy 2012/01/31 00:49:24
    Kelly Kearns
    +1
    but it is not always someone not being prepared. people handle stress differently. what you said is why this (the syndrome this thread is about) is a Psychological disorder. if we don't handle stress and handle it in the correct way, it will eventually manifest itself in physical ways.

    what about the stress in the lives of the people you know? also, it might not seem like a lot, but if they don't know how to manage stress in a healthy manner, every day kind of stress and just a little not so normal stress; then it can affect them in a much more pronounced way than you or me.
  • Lucy Kelly K... 2012/01/31 05:26:40
    Lucy
    That is really true. Right now my entire family is stressed by my sister who is in assisted living. We are all different; my nephew was shaking the other day, whereas his sister just gets angry.
  • Kelly K... Lucy 2012/01/31 05:31:14
    Kelly Kearns
    +1
    EXACTLY!!! and some in the same situation might get depressed
  • lemmeknow 2012/01/28 19:06:38 (edited)
    Yes
    lemmeknow
    They see little crystals that form from their drug use of crystal meth. It is when the body processes the chemicals through their pours of the skin, the poison.
  • jimrthy... lemmeknow 2012/01/28 21:53:39
    jimrthy BN-0
    +1
    I've never seen anyone else describe it that way. I think meth is probably the nastiest drug out there, but this seems to be something totally different.
  • bob h. lemmeknow 2012/01/28 22:00:48
    bob h.
    +2
    Anything that causes the nerves to overheat and migrate to the surface to cool, will cause the "bugs".
  • RoseLyle 2012/01/28 17:46:07
    No
    RoseLyle
    +2
    I am saying no because, for a long time I have had a itching back, It started during the last 10 years. I remember my Aunt had the same problem when she was my age. There could be all kinds of things that cause it, and I doubt if any of them are physiological. I certainly wouldn't tell people that is what causes it.
  • lemmeknow RoseLyle 2012/01/28 19:08:34 (edited)
    lemmeknow
    +2
    You probably have a dry back that needs a moisturizer that does not block the pours.
    You don't see little crystals on your back like a crystal meth user does.
  • Kelly K... lemmeknow 2012/01/28 20:51:50 (edited)
    Kelly Kearns
    +1
    how do you know what she probably has and what is needed for it and that she doesn't see little crystals on her back?
  • jimrthy... RoseLyle 2012/01/28 21:51:37
    jimrthy BN-0
    +1
    This sounds like something totally different.

    I've never experienced it, but the symptoms sound pretty horrifying. I don't *ever* want to find out what it's like.
  • oreo 2012/01/28 17:14:13
    Undecided
    oreo
    +1
    i dont know i guess so
  • Arinn 2012/01/28 17:05:45
    Undecided
    Arinn
    +1
    Could be. What about OCD? ocd
  • Lucy Arinn 2012/01/28 19:53:37
    Lucy
    Now that is a real illness, from the brain maybe not getting enough dopamine? Anyway it is neurological though. My relatives have it and I don't and they really have a struggle.
  • Arinn Lucy 2012/01/28 20:02:18
    Arinn
    +1
    Yes it is hard to struggle with. I haven't heard of the one they are talking about. I wonder if they made it up?
  • Lucy Arinn 2012/01/28 20:03:15
    Lucy
    I think it is a drug addict's side effect.
  • Arinn Lucy 2012/01/28 20:07:41
    Arinn
    The skin crawling disease? I have never done drugs so I wouldn't know.
  • jimrthy... Arinn 2012/01/28 21:49:54
    jimrthy BN-0
    The study said that drug use was about a 50% thing. So it may well be a factor. But in the other half...
  • Arinn jimrthy... 2012/01/28 22:51:25
    Arinn
    I don't know either
  • jimrthy... Lucy 2012/01/28 21:48:30
    jimrthy BN-0
    This is possible, though it doesn't seem all that likely to me.

    Whether it is or not, the real question is "Why?"
  • Kelly K... Lucy 2012/01/29 00:08:11 (edited)
    Kelly Kearns
    It didn't say what drug or type of drug. It didn't say illicit drugs or abuse of a prescription drug. It didn't say if the "drug use" was a drug used for a common condition that all of them had.

    Now, they very well may say it is abuse of a prescription drug or use of an illicit drug in the study, but we can't assume what they did not say.

    I have just finished searching the study at the CDC and this is what I have found about the drugs.

    "At least one drug was detected in hair samples of 20/40 (50%) case-patients; these included amphetamines (3), barbiturates (1), benzodiazepines (8), cannabinoids (7), cocaine (2), opiates (8), and propoxyphene (1). All chest radiographs were interpreted as normal."

    Actually all those drugs listed above can show up in a drug test and the medication is taken for medical use and not abused. Cocaine is still used in many sinus surgeries and sinus treatments, but it is not used often. Cannabinoids can show up because there are pills that are prescription, that contain THC that are given for many cancer treatments. Certain cannabinoids have anticancer properties where they stop some cancer cells from growing and actually kill some types of cancer cells and don't hurt the non-cancer cells. The rest of the drugs listed are all very, very common drugs...







    It didn't say what drug or type of drug. It didn't say illicit drugs or abuse of a prescription drug. It didn't say if the "drug use" was a drug used for a common condition that all of them had.

    Now, they very well may say it is abuse of a prescription drug or use of an illicit drug in the study, but we can't assume what they did not say.

    I have just finished searching the study at the CDC and this is what I have found about the drugs.

    "At least one drug was detected in hair samples of 20/40 (50%) case-patients; these included amphetamines (3), barbiturates (1), benzodiazepines (8), cannabinoids (7), cocaine (2), opiates (8), and propoxyphene (1). All chest radiographs were interpreted as normal."

    Actually all those drugs listed above can show up in a drug test and the medication is taken for medical use and not abused. Cocaine is still used in many sinus surgeries and sinus treatments, but it is not used often. Cannabinoids can show up because there are pills that are prescription, that contain THC that are given for many cancer treatments. Certain cannabinoids have anticancer properties where they stop some cancer cells from growing and actually kill some types of cancer cells and don't hurt the non-cancer cells. The rest of the drugs listed are all very, very common drugs, given for numerous very common conditions. They could have been given for legit medical purposes and taken in the proper manner or they could have been abused, the study still does not address that factor.

    It goes on further in the study to say:

    "We found evidence of drug use in 50% of participants. Formication can be a side affect drug use (prescription and illicit) and drug withdrawal, but the extent to which case-patients' drug use contributed to, or was being used as a treatment for, the condition was not determined. The high prevalence of drug use also may represent some case-patients' attempts to alleviate frustration or symptoms associated with the illness."

    Here they make it clear that they didn't even determine if the drugs were abused or normal use.

    So we can not assume that 50% of them are having side effects of drug abuse, the study is crystal clear about that.
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  • Lucy Arinn 2012/01/28 20:04:16
    Lucy
    You know what though, I had a short bout of OCD for about a year and have never had it since.
  • Arinn Lucy 2012/01/28 20:09:45
    Arinn
    +1
    Really that's good. It takes so long to do anything sometimes. There have been studies done on OCD though.
  • jimrthy... Arinn 2012/01/28 21:47:13
    jimrthy BN-0
    I've read enough about it over the past few years to believe that it's real
  • Arinn jimrthy... 2012/01/28 22:50:43
    Arinn
    Which one is real?
  • jimrthy... Arinn 2012/01/29 21:46:37
    jimrthy BN-0
    Morgellon's. There's some crazy stuff involved that isn't just in their heads.

    OCD is pretty much all in the head. But that doesn't make it any less real. I made the mistake of shacking up with a girl a while back who suffered from it. We couldn't have possibly been worse for each other.

    I'm all about laid-back, relaxed, be mellow, take life as it comes. I'm a slob. She was all about middle of the night panic attacks, waking up in the middle of the night to empty out the cabinets and scrub them down with bleach.

    She's a wonderful person, but we were toxic together. Live and learn.
  • Arinn jimrthy... 2012/01/29 21:51:53
    Arinn
    Panic attacks are different from OCD. OCD is mostly counting, checking door locks, stoves, washing hands a certain number of times. It can vary from mild to severe OCD too.If Morgellan's is not who knows what it could be from? Environmental Or food additives It probably could be any number of things I'll bet.

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