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Is it time to seriously consider a change of the two party system?

CAPISCE 2012/08/12 01:47:42
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  • U-Dog 2012/08/12 02:28:29
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    U-Dog
    +6
    Actually, it is past time to change the one party illusion of a two party system.

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  • frank 2012/08/12 18:21:30
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    frank
    Unless there is a change to the way these two parties refuse to do business together America must thing about putting together a third party. I don't bean a Ron Paul party, he is too much like Berry Goldwater was (people don't want to hear the truth; it scares the hell out of them).
  • jackolantyrn356 2012/08/12 15:39:04
    YES
    jackolantyrn356
    +1
    Since it has been a Democrat ownership of Congress these past 80 or so years it is about time to eliminate the Democrats and have only one party rullership until the Democrats are vetted as Constitutionalists
  • CAPISCE jackola... 2012/08/12 16:35:53 (edited)
    CAPISCE
    This group are NOT Democrats
  • ģhøṡτ øώl 2012/08/12 13:18:30
    Undecided
    ģhøṡτ øώl
    +1
    Maybe. I suggest an absolute 3 party system. Allow Republicans, Democrats and Independents to each elect a Presidential Representative and then make the 3 work together. I believe this would massively reduce a lot of the bickering and polarization and force each party to focus on their own philosophies rather than pointless arguing. Also it would force each party to more closely scrutinize (vetting) their choices of representatives.
  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/08/12 12:05:40
    YES
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +1
    The Republican Party might be open to a change--actually a takeover--from within. The Democratic Party is not.
  • CAPISCE Temlako... 2012/08/12 12:06:11
    CAPISCE
    +1
    Good point
  • NoBama Man 2012/08/12 09:34:37 (edited)
    YES
    NoBama Man
    +1
    I think that the system needs to change...there needs to be Open primaries.

    By open primaries I mean that ALL candidates run in an open system in the primaries...
    they can affiliate themselves with any party they choose.

    The primaries are held like the general election...every body votes on the same day...
    The voters are given ballots with EVERY BODY running from every party and voters are allowed to vote for ANY BODY...regardless of the voter or the candidates party affiliation.

    The votes are tallied....and the TWO candidates with the most votes, FROM TWO DIFFERENT PARTIES, then run in the general national election the following year.

    If it is a Democrat and a Libertarian candidate, or whether its a Republican and a Green party candidate, than so be it...the two candidates from different parties run...and that is it.

    Leaving a two party system really only achieves the dilution of the vote. In other words we cannot have more than two candidates because that only allows a candidate to win the election with less than 50 % or a majority of the votes...

    For example...the 1992 election between Clinton, Bush and third party candidate Perot was won by Bill Clinton with only 43% of the votes.

    By holding the primaries as open elections for candidates the voters are not stuck voting for any par...
    I think that the system needs to change...there needs to be Open primaries.

    By open primaries I mean that ALL candidates run in an open system in the primaries...
    they can affiliate themselves with any party they choose.

    The primaries are held like the general election...every body votes on the same day...
    The voters are given ballots with EVERY BODY running from every party and voters are allowed to vote for ANY BODY...regardless of the voter or the candidates party affiliation.

    The votes are tallied....and the TWO candidates with the most votes, FROM TWO DIFFERENT PARTIES, then run in the general national election the following year.

    If it is a Democrat and a Libertarian candidate, or whether its a Republican and a Green party candidate, than so be it...the two candidates from different parties run...and that is it.

    Leaving a two party system really only achieves the dilution of the vote. In other words we cannot have more than two candidates because that only allows a candidate to win the election with less than 50 % or a majority of the votes...

    For example...the 1992 election between Clinton, Bush and third party candidate Perot was won by Bill Clinton with only 43% of the votes.

    By holding the primaries as open elections for candidates the voters are not stuck voting for any particular party...and thus the two candidates elected by the people are the only two candidates on the ballot in November....eliminating the possibility of a president being elected with 34% of the vote.
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  • CAPISCE NoBama Man 2012/08/12 12:07:06
    CAPISCE
    Agree the voting system sucks for us Independents
  • Alex 2012/08/12 08:27:35
    no
    Alex
    +1
    I think we need to take the focus off of changing the PARTY system and instead changing the PEOPLE IN the system. The problem isn't the PARTIES it's the PEOPLE who represent them and thereby "lead" us. If we can stop playing the "party vs. party, us vs. them" game and support REAL leaders we can see some real change. But, I really don't see that happening anytime soon--it's far too tempting and too much to smear other candidates and parties instead of taking responsibility.
  • TheTruth1313 2012/08/12 06:10:14
    YES
    TheTruth1313
    +2
    A change is quite overdue actually.
  • Sage 2012/08/12 05:11:55
    YES
    Sage
    +2
    We need more than two parties to pick from. I remember seeing another nation on the news that was just starting to adapt voting into their system and they had something like 26 different parties to choose from. I actually like that idea. It be sort of a mess having all those people get their air time in but it be great to have so many options when voting time came around.
  • FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX 2012/08/12 04:56:43
    YES
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    +1
    The Tea Party should definitely organize formally as a separate official party.
  • CAPISCE FAWKES'... 2012/08/12 12:08:06
    CAPISCE
    Look at that, we agree
  • KingdomNow 2012/08/12 03:59:05
    YES
    KingdomNow
    +1
    Democracy is a failure when idiots learn to vote themselves another person's wealth.
  • cupcakes 2012/08/12 03:57:18
    YES
    cupcakes
  • DoxieDad 2012/08/12 03:41:27
    YES
    DoxieDad
    +2
    This election season will be the tipping point that finally allows a third party to become a serious threat to the two mainstream political monopolies.
  • Red 2012/08/12 03:35:35
  • ken 2012/08/12 02:52:51
    YES
    ken
    +2
    If something doesn't change soon we're in big, big trouble.
  • U-Dog 2012/08/12 02:28:29
    YES
    U-Dog
    +6
    Actually, it is past time to change the one party illusion of a two party system.

    demopublican gif
  • Jester ... U-Dog 2012/08/12 02:57:00
    Jester M.S.
    +2
    I really like that statement. I am willing to bet you I steal that line at some point.
  • U-Dog Jester ... 2012/08/12 03:00:30
    U-Dog
    +2
    Feel free to spread the word, we all learn from each other,-)
  • Dagon 2012/08/12 02:22:19
  • ken Dagon 2012/08/12 02:53:40
    ken
    +2
    If only it were that simple.
  • Dagon ken 2012/08/12 04:26:38
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  • Arizona1950 2012/08/12 02:19:34
    YES
    Arizona1950
    +4
    No doubt in may mind that to continue to follow the status quo is the continuation of the take-down of America. More than anytime in our history a vote for 3rd Party this November is truly a vote for America.
  • ken Arizona... 2012/08/12 02:54:17
    ken
    +2
    I'm finally coming around to that idea.
  • Arizona... ken 2012/08/12 03:13:39
    Arizona1950
    +1
    You know I couldn't be more pleased ken ... to me and many its just common sense. Thank you for "coming out" and letting me know. I believe that took a lot of guts. :-)

    I hope you don't mind my play on words. I just feel all good inside and giggley.
  • ken Arizona... 2012/08/12 03:17:01
    ken
    +1
    It's all Romney's doing. He couldn't even make his own VP pick. I thought he'd at least be able to do that. I guess I was wrong. Anyway, this will be the first presidential election that I don't vote for a Democrat or a Republican. It feels kind of liberating.
  • Arizona... ken 2012/08/12 03:23:25
    Arizona1950
    +1
    I know what you mean ... it will be the first for me too! :-)
  • Scott (o)(o) 2012/08/12 02:10:41
    YES
    Scott (o)(o)
    +3
    Hell Yes !!!!!!!!!!
  • Ken 2012/08/12 02:06:55 (edited)
    YES
    Ken
    +4
    Long past time. Or have multiple candidates for each party with a runoff instead of party primaries. That would give the people a say in who the winner really is.
  • Jester M.S. 2012/08/12 02:00:49
    YES
    Jester M.S.
    +4
    I am already way ahead of you.
  • Informed Voter 2012/08/12 01:54:40
    YES
    Informed Voter
    +1
    Start off with dumping Democrats in their entirety, since they've openly stood with Socialists and Communists.

    Dump ALL RINO GOP who've forgotten their conservative, Constitutional principles.

    And how about placing the following on a National Referendum THIS YEAR?

    Proposed Constitutional Amendments:

    1) Term Limits Amendment: Limits a U.S. Representative to no more than six, 2-year terms, and a U.S. Senator to no more than 2, six-year terms. No compensatory annuity shall be granted following any term of service for Congress or the President.

    2) Balanced Budget Amendment: Congressional spending is forthwith limited to ONLY those enumerated powers set forth in the body of Article I of the Constitution. The Federal government is hereby limited to spending only what it takes in for any given budgetary period. Emergency spending is forthwith limited to times the nation is at war, and ONLY to be used to support national security.
    Congress shall receive NO pay raise until the budget is balanced, and upon the latter, only the people may grant such an increase through their assent once every two years. Such increase shall NOT be more than two-thirds of a percent greater than the cost of living.

    3) Streamline Legislation Amendment: Limits the size and scope of legislat...








    Start off with dumping Democrats in their entirety, since they've openly stood with Socialists and Communists.

    Dump ALL RINO GOP who've forgotten their conservative, Constitutional principles.

    And how about placing the following on a National Referendum THIS YEAR?

    Proposed Constitutional Amendments:

    1) Term Limits Amendment: Limits a U.S. Representative to no more than six, 2-year terms, and a U.S. Senator to no more than 2, six-year terms. No compensatory annuity shall be granted following any term of service for Congress or the President.

    2) Balanced Budget Amendment: Congressional spending is forthwith limited to ONLY those enumerated powers set forth in the body of Article I of the Constitution. The Federal government is hereby limited to spending only what it takes in for any given budgetary period. Emergency spending is forthwith limited to times the nation is at war, and ONLY to be used to support national security.
    Congress shall receive NO pay raise until the budget is balanced, and upon the latter, only the people may grant such an increase through their assent once every two years. Such increase shall NOT be more than two-thirds of a percent greater than the cost of living.

    3) Streamline Legislation Amendment: Limits the size and scope of legislation to ONLY those features which support the title of proposed legislation. Legislation for any given session of congress MUST be apportioned in the annual budget. The only discretionary spending authorized beyond that which has been allocated for in the budget, shall be deemed necessary by reasons of national security. As a check and balance to congressional abuses, the executive is granted the line-item veto to eliminate ONLY those previsions not germane to the title of said bill.
    The application and force of all laws passed by the legislature shall apply equally to the legislators.

    4) Judicial Review Amendment – The constitutionality of all bills passed by the legislative branch must be determined by the U.S. Supreme Court before it goes to the president for consideration.

    5) Flat Tax Amendment: Repeal the 16th Amendment! Institute a flat tax structure to replace the 16 Amendment

    Career politicians; you are now on notice! Your era of limitless spending and life-long entitlement to public office is OVER!

    It is long past time to dethrone those career politicians that have this country by the throat and to inaugurate the era of the true representative, the citizen politician so envisioned by our founding fathers.
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  • gregory... Informe... 2012/08/12 02:04:08
    gregory.ditzler
    Sounds like you want a single party system.
  • Scott (... gregory... 2012/08/12 02:11:43
    Scott (o)(o)
    +2
    how about a NO party system
  • gregory... Scott (... 2012/08/12 02:13:00
    gregory.ditzler
    I don't think that's possible.
  • Informe... gregory... 2012/08/12 14:31:17
    Informed Voter
    King George III probably thought that way about the impending separation of the Colonies from England.
  • Informe... gregory... 2012/08/12 14:29:51
    Informed Voter
    I want a NO party system!

    The "Citizen" Legislator (the only TRUE) representative of the people, doesn't have to hide behind the branding of Party, but stand on a platform of principled ideas tempered by the limits of the Constitutuion.

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