Is it time to revisit Roe vs Wade and overturn it?!

by Andrew Posted 2011/06/03 13:18:37

Related Topics: Abortion, Supreme Court, Rights, Court, Adoption, 40 Years, Connecticut

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	Yes! Let's revisit Roe vs Wade and toss it out because it is a very poor decision!	4 votes	40%
	No! Roe vs Wade is the Law of the land and regardless of how weak the decision is, it should stand regardless!	2 votes	20%
	Other (pease elaborate)!	4 votes	40%

Roe vs Wade is almost 40 years old! In fact, the first arguments before the Supreme Court on this issue happened in 1971! those who argued the case for abortion were very careful not to debate in a way that would place the Court in the position of arguing when life begins. They did this so as not to jeopardize their carefully laid plans to ram it through ignoring the rights of the child and focusing on the perceived "rights" of the woman.

They also argued that the Fourteenth Amendment did not recognize the child as life. William Rehnquist in his dissenting opinion note this:

“To reach its result, the Court necessarily has had to find within the scope of the Fourteenth Amendment a right that was apparently completely unknown to the drafters of the Amendment. As early as 1821, the first state law dealing directly with abortion was enacted by the Connecticut Legislature. By the time of the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment in 1868, there were at least 36 laws enacted by state or territorial legislatures limiting abortion. While many States have amended or updated their laws, 21 of the laws on the books in 1868 remain in effect today.”

Would you support the revisting of Roe vs Wade and would you support the rescinding of this bad decision by the Supreme Court?

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JULIE 2011/06/20 12:37:51

Other (pease elaborate)!

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Muskoka 2011/06/05 18:22:57

No! Roe vs Wade is the Law of the land and regardless of how weak the decisi...

It was not a weak decision at all. It uphold the rights of women and their autonomy over their bodies. Women are not baby making machines and men have no right to dictate what they do with their own bodies. Slaver was abolished decades ago.

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Andrew to Muskoka 2011/06/06 18:18:28

Then the woman should not have engaged in the baby making process! Once the baby is made, choice was already exercised! Now is the time to accept responsibility for the choice!

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Muskoka to Andrew 2011/06/07 04:17:54

Women should not...........do you think they were doing it by themselves?

Sex is not something that needs to be punished, but then again that is the christian perspective, is it not?

Women are not baby machines and slavery has been abolished. The legal system have give women autonomy over their own bodies. People of your ilk have repeatedly tried to enslave woman and take away their human rights and control their lives as all men did in the past. Now you are resentful that we are now under your control any more.

Women are not possessions and have exactly the save rights and privileges as men do. No man is every forced against his will to undergo any medical process against his will. But you expect women to simply because they are women.

If you do not like the idea of abortion the choice is your, do not have one. You do not have the right to dictate and/or force your opinion on others. Other peoples believes and opinions are equally as important as your is. Deal with it.

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Andrew to Muskoka 2011/06/07 11:30:03 (edited)

So, you are with the President in saying that children are a punishment. We are a pretty sick society when that is how we feel about the blessing of children. If you were honest, you would acknowledge that the woman who voluntarily engages in sex, and then murders the infant she joined with some man to procreate is not only selfish, but barbaric as well. So is the man who does not protect and provide for the child. It is a two way street. But to even dream of such barbaric behavior is just sick. It is no wonder young people today are so troubled today. We tell them they are no better than animals and that their existence has no more significant than a worm. Then we show them by example and action that had we not wanted a pet to play with, we would have "offed" them before birth. I am glad my children realize that they meant more to me and God than that.

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Muskoka to Andrew 2011/06/07 13:26:20

That is not what we are saying at all. We are saying that women should not be punished by being forced to have a pregnancy they do not want. Men have never been forced to do that and they have frequently walked away when they did not want to.

Not everyone who engages in sex want children. Many people who continue to pop out children are completely selfish also. They think that others are responsible for supporting them and their kids. So you argument defies all logic.

You idea to force people into a life they do not want is equally barbaric and disgusting. You need not bring animals into this discussions, as animals do not treat their own like people do. They do not starve their young to death or abuse them the way humans do. They do not rape infants either.

Even god is not pro-life which is proven in the bible by his commanding the slaughter of innocent children and the unborn.

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Andrew to Muskoka 2011/06/07 15:57:34

If a woman does not want children, then she shouldn't have sex. Sex is not a right that one can participate in without consequences. To kill that which you chose to procreate just because you don't have the courage to fulfill your responsibilities is murder. No, not in the eyes of this world, but in the eyes of God. Many women suffer greatly because instinctively they know it was their duty to protect the life growing within them and they did the opposite. That is why the suicide rate for women having abortions is very high, along with drug addiction and alcoholism. At least 15% of women who have abortions are unable to have a baby later on and that is directly linked to the procedure. ,o, woman don't die in back alleys anymore. They die in doctors office, like the one that just dies recently and it was discovered this doctor wasn't disposing of the babies properly and was shopping their bodies. Your reference to God ignores the fact that God is merciful, and patiently wait for man to come to Him. Since He created man, we are His. He gave us a whole universe to enjoy and to see Him and His greatness through it. But we attribute His wonderful creative power to chance, ignoring that life could not have happen, but had to have its origin in some powerful eternal being...

If a woman does not want children, then she shouldn't have sex. Sex is not a right that one can participate in without consequences. To kill that which you chose to procreate just because you don't have the courage to fulfill your responsibilities is murder. No, not in the eyes of this world, but in the eyes of God. Many women suffer greatly because instinctively they know it was their duty to protect the life growing within them and they did the opposite. That is why the suicide rate for women having abortions is very high, along with drug addiction and alcoholism. At least 15% of women who have abortions are unable to have a baby later on and that is directly linked to the procedure. ,o, woman don't die in back alleys anymore. They die in doctors office, like the one that just dies recently and it was discovered this doctor wasn't disposing of the babies properly and was shopping their bodies. Your reference to God ignores the fact that God is merciful, and patiently wait for man to come to Him. Since He created man, we are His. He gave us a whole universe to enjoy and to see Him and His greatness through it. But we attribute His wonderful creative power to chance, ignoring that life could not have happen, but had to have its origin in some powerful eternal being. Yes, God's patience runs out for everyone who rejects Him eventually. One day, He will judge the earth. All will suffer His judgment and none who has rejected Him will escape. Now is the time, while His mercy is still extended to receive Him. But, if you reject Him, don't expect His mercy when you stand before His judgment throne. Then, it will already be too late!
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Muskoka to Andrew 2011/06/15 04:10:52

Now don't you come out of the stone age. Sex is a right and so is the right to control our own bodies. That includes women as well as men. Women do not lose rights to their bodies simply because they become pregnant. That is slavery and that has been abolished decades ago. If you want to live like that I suggest you live in a country where that kind of mind set is acceptable.
Woman are human beings with EQUAL RIGHTS, we are not second class citizens any more. We are not baby machines.

The second issue is that women are not having sex by themselves. If you think your theory on sex applies to women, then until men step up and take FULL responsibility for the entire financial burden of supporting the woman and child until that child is 18 years old, they have no right to sex either.

You are also wrong in your stats on sterility after abortion, it is STD's that is the cause, not the abortion:

"Researchers have reported that 3 to 5 percent of aborted women are left inadvertently sterile as a result of the operation's latent morbidity.6 7 The risk of sterility is even greater for women who are infected with a venereal disease at the time of the abortion."

Do not preach to those who are not interested. You god is not pro-life and never has been. Remember the passover.

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Andrew to Muskoka 2011/06/15 10:36:38

Until you can prove with undeniable evidence that the infant, growing within a mothers womb is NOT a life, then you are willing to murder to achieve your own selfish ends! I agree with you that men should be required to assume all financial responsibility, but execution of innocent babies is NOT an answer. I am appalled at the calloused attitude of the pro abortion crowd. For your information, God is merciful, yet He is also just. We interpret justice in terms of our finite lives, but God does so through His eternality. All of us die. Some old and some young. Regardless of how long our physical lives are, what is more important is what happens after physical life on this earth is over. From the Bible, we understand that innocent children who cannot comprehend good and evil, go to heaven. Perhaps those children who died at passover were spared the fate of being corrupted of soul by being removed from this evil world in what we would call a premature fashion. However, when that occurs is God's prerogative, not ours, which is why Passover was just and abortion is unjust! What we say when we take a life is that we are playing God in His place!

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Muskoka to Andrew 2011/06/15 23:49:39

Until you can prove that women are slaves then your argument is ridiculous. No man would ever consider being forced into any medical procedure against his will, however, you believe that women are baby machines do not have the right to make decision about their own body.

As for 'god' there is no proof that he/she exists or that any of the other 4700 other god exist either. If you can empirically prove that they do, then we will have something to discuss rationally. Christians never discuss anything rationally, it is always in terms of mythology and superstition.

The other issue with your god is that he/she is not and never was pro-life. He/she commanded the slaughter of innocent children and the unborn in the thousands as told in the bible, and disobedient children are to be put to death. Nothing can be clearer than that ! !

You make all kinds of excuses for your god. He/she is no better than a terrorist. I dismiss that kind of hypocracy for what it is. Bigotry and intolerance against everything except everything except your own lifestyle. There is no morality or integrity in that. Only hate.

You know you have created god in your own image, when god hate the same things you hate !

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Leslie ... to Muskoka 2011/06/16 16:14:28

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To believe we have autonomy over our own bodies is pretty unrealistic. A friend of mine is battling cancer in eight organs. By the time my father died he was blind from macular degeneration, his kidneys had failed, he had a defibrillator-pacemaker to keep his heart beating and he could barely walk. Personally if I had the right to choose, I would never get a cold. Except for rape victims, women do have the autonomy to choose not to get pregnant. Once a baby has been conceived, it is too late to make that choice.

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Muskoka to Leslie ... 2011/06/18 14:48:23

You do have autonomy to make decisions over our bodies. AND men have that completely. Just because women have the ability to produce children does not made them subservient to anyone or slaves.

The fact that you believe in abortion on any conditions, mean that you do believe in it, but YOU want to control it and women as well. That is where your controlling nature and the human rights issue and discrimination is violated. Women have to be consenting to be pregnant otherwise it is HER personal choice what to do with HER body, nobody else's

Once control freaks like you get that straight this planet will be much better off. You do not have the right to force anyone into any medical procedure that will permanently damage their body against their will. Sex is not consent for pregnancy.

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Leslie ... to Muskoka 2011/07/15 15:02:43

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Your response has me confused. What medical procedure am I trying to force someone into?
And for the record, I am pro-life. You say I "believe in abortion on any conditions," which is incorrect.

Sex might not exactly be consent for pregnancy, but pregnancy is always a possible outcome of sex. As Natalie Merchant wrote so long ago, "You risk the game by taking dares with 'yes.' "

And, I am not a control freak.

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Muskoka to Leslie ... 2011/07/15 21:39:19

The delivery of a child is a medical procedure that will permanently damage every womens body. AND in frequently require surgery to repair that damage a few years later. That is the mecical procudure your are truying to force women into.

If you are trying to take away the human rights of other groups, you are a control freak by demaning their right be suspended because of your beliefs. You want to control the lives of others. I wonder how much control of your life you are willing to give up?

Sex is not a punishable offense either. Yet I hear that statment a lot in the abortyon issue. Why do people expect women to be punished for having sex and let men simply disappear into oblivion?

If men were forced to support every woman and child they father until that child was 18, and provide financial assistnace ABOVE the poverty level, I am sure this problem would certainly be irraticated very quickly.

Sex is not a dare and it is not a consent for pregnancy either.

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Andrew to Muskoka 2011/07/15 21:52:32

So is an abortion. So if you don't want children, don't have sex!

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Muskoka to Andrew 2011/07/16 04:19:34

How immature and outrageously ignorant can you possible be ! ! !

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Lady Whitewolf 2011/06/04 11:41:43

No! Roe vs Wade is the Law of the land and regardless of how weak the decisi...

JUST.... NO.

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Andrew to Lady Wh... 2011/06/06 18:19:07

That appears to be fraught with desperation!

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hazel 2011/06/03 16:01:21

Yes! Let's revisit Roe vs Wade and toss it out because it is a very poor dec...

+1
yes yes yes yes a thousand times yes

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Andrew to hazel 2011/06/03 17:50:16

It is such a poor decision for so many reasons! The left fears a revisit because they know how bad it really is. I would prefer waiting until we had six clearly conservative strict constructionists on the Court, but I cannot imagine anothe 10,000,000 babies being butchered in the interim!

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Superman 2011/06/03 15:41:05

Yes! Let's revisit Roe vs Wade and toss it out because it is a very poor dec...

I think the fundamental question on abortion is when life beins. Thats not just a religious question, its a human question that all people should have a voice on. I think Roe is bad law and should be overturned in favor of allowing individual states to tackle the question. Then humans can decide when life begins and legislate accordingly.

Pro-Lifers won't like my stance because I don't believe in a federal ban on abortion either. The Constitution doesn't define when life begins, just like it doesn't define marriage. The Tenth Amendment should apply - states rights. Each state should dedcide the issue for itself.

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FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX 2011/06/03 14:13:04

Other (pease elaborate)!

Nice loaded responses.

Addressing Roe v Wade is the only proper way to approach the abortion controversy. Attempting to circumvent the Supreme Court ruling by introducing legislation and budget cuts for the purposes of denying, hindering or otherwise interfering with the rights provided under it is unconstitutional and possibly criminal.

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Mr. Rock "n" Roll 2011/06/03 13:35:47

Other (pease elaborate)!

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The argument that a woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body bothers me. The baby, or fetus if you wish, is not part of her body and in fact is a separate life created by her and the man that fertilized the egg. Why is the choice left up to the woman alone to destroy what two people created?

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Andrew to Mr. Roc... 2011/06/03 13:41:42

Many times the man wants nothing to do with the baby and it is a travesty! he should be made to give his support, especially in this day of DNA testing! Promiscuousness has really run amuck in this country and around the world!

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Mr. Roc... to Andrew 2011/06/03 13:55:22

Promiscuousness takes two people and dealing with the result of their actions should not be left to only one of them. Forcing a man to support aborting his child is a travesty.

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Andrew to Mr. Roc... 2011/06/03 13:58:19

I meant financially support!

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Mr. Roc... to Andrew 2011/06/03 14:04:39

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Yes but in many cases, even though the man wants to be part of the baby’s life and provide financial support, the choice to bring the baby into the world is left solely to the woman.

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Andrew to Mr. Roc... 2011/06/03 17:32:41

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In other words, you think the man ought to have equal interest in that new life as the woman?

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Mr. Roc... to Andrew 2011/06/03 17:40:19

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Yes the baby is as much a part of him as it is her!

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Andrew to Mr. Roc... 2011/06/03 17:52:57

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I am with you there, but I want the abortion option to go away and EVERYONE held to a moral standard of responsibility!

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Mr. Roc... to Andrew 2011/06/03 18:21:35

People will argue that it’s their right to abort a baby if they wish and I guess it is. They are the ones that have to face God and explain why they ended an innocent life. Of course God is only a concept that many don’t believe in so they see no problem. As long as my hard earned dollars aren’t paying for their mistake let them roll the dice betting that they never have to stand in front of the concept I know as God!

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Andrew to Mr. Roc... 2011/06/03 18:31:22

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I am clearly with you as they will face God whether or not they believe in Him. I guess more than a "rule change" we need a national heart change! Then, the rule change would be a natural!

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Mr. Roc... to Andrew 2011/06/03 18:37:44

+1
God bless!

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Muskoka to Andrew 2011/06/05 18:26:31

Just try chasing down a man who does not want to be caught.

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Muskoka to Andrew 2011/06/05 18:25:12

Promiscuity is not the issue here. Abortion has been part of society since biblical times. Now that it can be done in medical facilities it is safe and women are not dying.

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Andrew to Muskoka 2011/06/07 06:51:30

Women are not dying, huh! Apparently you don't read much news nor do you pay attention to statistics. Many women are injured in the process and can never have children later when they desire them. Also, the rates of depression and suicide climb dramatically among women who have abortions. Better check it out for yourself if you aren't inclines to believe me.

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Muskoka to Andrew 2011/06/07 13:28:47

Child birth is the most dangerous part of a woman life. Until the 20th century it was the leading cause of death in all woman and still is today in third world countries. Even child birth under ideal situation results in death and so does pregnancy. So you should educate yourself.

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Andrew to Muskoka 2011/06/16 19:16:39

Yeah, but pro-abortion women have successfully changed that. Now, the most dangerous time in a woman's life are the nine months she spends in the womb prior to birth! Congratulations!

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Muskoka to Andrew 2011/06/18 14:50:12

We are not and never have been pro-abortion. We are pro-choice. The is a vast difference.

Pregnancy and child birth are a very dangerous experience for both mothers and fetus even when abortions are factored out.

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Andrew to Muskoka 2011/06/18 15:15:45

Let me rephrase that! You are not Pro-abortion, but Pro-Infanticide! Sorry!

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