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Is It Time For a NEW Declaration of Independence & Constitution?

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Is It Time to Call for a Second Declaration of Independence & Constitution?


Declaration-of-Independence_full_600Let’s
start with a shocking, but true premise: If you are a patriotic
American, you believe that there are circumstances under which it is
right to take up arms against your own government. That statement feels
wrong to me. It reeks of militia and McVeigh and toothless loons holed
up with guns in cabins in order to avoid paying income taxes.

But the fact remains that the rationale for the existence of the
nation known as the United States of America, which first appeared in
print 236 years ago today, is entirely dependent on the premise that
there are indeed times “…when in the Course of human events, it becomes
necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have
connected them with another…” and that such times may require the first
group of people to “…mutually pledge to each other [their] Lives,
[their] Fortunes and [their] sacred Honor.” And that having dissolved
those political bands with another people, the newly liberated people
(“…and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy
War…”) may, among other things, protect themselves from a tyrannical
power which engages in “…a long train of abuses and usurpations,
pursuing invariably the same Object [which] evinces a design to reduce
them under absolute Despotism…”


This is the argument presented to the world by Adams, Jefferson, and
Franklin. It was adopted and approved by the Continental Congress. It
has been graphically represented in the Great Seal of the United States
and it is treated as the origin of the American Republic not just in the
Declaration of Independence itself, but also in the Constitution.


In other words the Constitution was signed in the fall of 1787, which
was during the 12th year of the United States, which places the event
which initiated the Republic sometime before September 1776. Is there
any other event, save the Declaration, which would fit the historical
bill? Of course not. And just in case any would argue, as Bork tried to
in our debate, that this is simply a matter of a date to which no
significance can be attributed, I would point out that the Great Seal of
the United States, which was the result of several years of
deliberation, labels the foundation (it is a literal architectural
foundation at the base of a pyramid) with the Roman numerals for the
year 1776. In short, the Declaration and the principles on which it is
based are the foundational ideas of our Republic. One can deny their
truth, but one cannot deny their legal authority.


This implies something very important: No governmental official can
deny the right of the people to dissolve the political bands which tie
them to a tyrannical government without at the same time denying the
Declaration and, by extension, the Constitution on which his own power
is based. If he says, “The Declaration no longer applies; you must obey
my authority no matter what.” We can rightly reply, “If the Declaration
no longer applies, then the government of which you are a part no longer
possesses legitimacy; which means you have no authority in the first
place and therefore have no right to demand that we obey.”








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  • frank stl.sha... 2012/07/06 16:41:19
    frank
    Much like the way they interpret the constitution to day.
  • stl.sha... frank 2012/07/06 17:15:43
    stl.shamrock
    Exactly. It would be twisted to their own agendas and not ours.
  • Brother Bo 2012/07/05 18:15:03
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Brother Bo
    +4
    There's nothing wrong with the constitution we have, we just need politicians in charge who actually want to follow it. Besides, the people who voted for Obama don't want independence, they want to depend on the government to take care of them from cradle to grave. The last thing they want is to be responsible for their own lives and free of government intervention.
  • Minarchist 2012/07/05 18:10:20
    Undecided
    Minarchist
    +1
    I would go for a decleration of soveriegns.
    Looking at the comments below many are nationalists and not patriots. A nationalist will protect his nation even as it is falling apart. A patriot will protect property rights aka country aka real estate and family. For even there some that will go at great links to sacrifice property rights to protect the family i.e. migrant workers, travelers, gypsys, nomads, and bedowins. This country is filled with people that said 'screw it, I will seek life elswhere' why should we be no different? Be loyal to yourself not a nation. If I get sick from a resturant do I continue to go out of loyalty? or do I have freedom of choice? A soveriegn says I don't need a government.
  • Mary Ann Minarchist 2012/07/05 19:51:04
    Mary Ann
    +3
    That's just you humble opinion.....I don't read the comments he way you interpret them.
  • Bear 2012/07/05 17:49:50
    YES! What is taking so long?
    Bear
    good idea
  • john Kills Bear 2012/07/05 21:45:20
    john Kills
    +2
    You're on the wrong side, the side that will get you killed. There is a war coming.
  • WinterLynn Bear 2012/07/05 23:06:32
  • biggerman 2012/07/05 17:33:49
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    biggerman
    +3
    No - we don't want PC liberals getting their scissors anywhere near our liberties.
  • warkitten 2012/07/05 17:11:13
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    warkitten
    +2
    We could have a declaration of communism if ya like..I mean..??? What should be the alternative to independence...should we go back to English rule? Why would you change the declaration of independence? as for the constitution..that's what amendments are for
  • Dave 2012/07/05 17:07:42
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Dave
    +3
    It is wrong to think that we should be governed outside the guideline set forth in our Constitution.

    Thinking our Constitution is outdated is pure New Age Progressive garbage.
  • Lord Emperor of Dune 2012/07/05 17:04:53
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Lord Emperor of Dune
    +2
    Nothing wrong with the one we have. It's a compelling question and I understand why YOU asked it, but I wonder why the people who want a new one are asking for it. Do they hate that God is mentioned? Do they think that they can improve upon our inalienable rights?

    Most of them I have seen are just angry that America has given them so much but not absolutely everything their hearts desire, so they feel the need to complain. Also, I don't know anyone over the age of 25 (with an IQ to match) who thinks we need a new DoC.

    I wonder how many of the 22 voters who are being petulant have actually read the DoC. All of it...
  • Odinsown 2012/07/05 16:53:18
    Undecided
    Odinsown
    +2
    Yes we need a new declaration, no we don't need a new constitution, what we need is a government that will follow the constitution
  • bill 2012/07/05 16:44:21
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    bill
    +6
    The Declaration of Independence & Constitution we have now is what has brought this country to being the most envied and greatest country of freedom in the world! If it is changed we will lose liberty! Don't try to fix something that is not broke! America just needs to leave the rest of the world alone and lead by example!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Mark Twain 2012/07/05 16:40:35
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Mark Twain
    +3
    Defending the one we have is like picking which wall you think is under attack in the Alamo.
  • J 2012/07/05 16:24:55
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    J
    +4
    And even if it was time, we don't have people smart enough now to write one.
    The Original Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution were written by men who KNEW what would happen under differing circumstances and tried to draft plans that would unite and strengthen the PEOPLE. Now we have a bunch of politicians that just want to rule over the people, have bankrupted our children and grandchildren for their selfishness. You know they couldn't draft squat that would prepare and protect our future.
  • ronbo 2012/07/05 16:14:03
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    ronbo
    +6
    I,d be happy if our leaders would just respect and follow the original.
  • susan 2012/07/05 16:10:30 (edited)
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    susan
    +4
    The current documents are fine. It's the politicians and the courts that have distorted them that are the problem.

    Does anyone remember what happened in Venezuela in recent history? One of the major planks in Hugo Chavez's election campaign was to rewrite the Venezuelan Constitution. He proposed dissolving the Congress and convening a constitutional assembly to write a new constitution.

    With Chavez' election in 1998, a new elected assembly was given the task of writing a new constitution to be submitted to the people for ratification. During that process, the Assembly (under Chavez' leadership) began to create new commissions, to assume the power of dissolving existing elected bodies. It took on the Supreme Court of Venezuela and forced 192 judges out of office (falsely claiming corruption), including the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

    The rest, of course, is the takeover of Venezuela through an "enabling act," giving Chavez total control under the new constitution, the subsequent addition of the 49 "laws" by decree that were used to control dissent, and the completion of the rise of the dictator Hugo Chavez, currently in power in that country.



    Parallels of many of the events in Venezuela seem to be happening here, including this call for a new constitution by people who have no clue what they are asking for.
  • Charge 2012/07/05 15:55:31
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Charge
    +4
    Only those that would "fundamentally" change the United States would seek to usurp our Constitution.
    They are not going steal our country.
  • Riella 2012/07/05 15:44:23
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Riella
    +4
    The only issue is the politicians who seem incapable of following them well as of late.
  • Chris - The Rowdy One! #187 2012/07/05 15:36:27
  • mallobarb 2012/07/05 15:10:12
    Undecided
    mallobarb
    uhhhhh
  • WinterLynn mallobarb 2012/07/05 23:07:12
  • Aurora 2012/07/05 15:09:32
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Aurora
    +4
    Nah, we just need decent, caring, loving individuals to honor and follow it.
  • kir 2012/07/05 15:06:13
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    kir
    +6
    There is no need for a new declaration of independence; there is most definitively no need for a new constitution, but we definitely have to start following the ones we have.
  • Tuna 2012/07/05 14:44:08
    YES! What is taking so long?
    Tuna
    +2
    Our founding fathers were willing to DIE for this republic; we have 49% that would not give up their Givement check for it. Our freedoms are fading fast.
    "Under the progressive rule we will see our freedoms gradually erode; we wil NEVER know those freedoms again." REAGAN
  • Dave Tuna 2012/07/05 17:14:31
    Dave
    +3
    Seems to me your answer is really YES. The constitution we currently have is brilliantly written and does not need Obama and his cronies trampling on it.
  • Tuna Dave 2012/07/05 17:17:01
    Tuna
    +2
    It's not the Constitution; it's the crowd SWORN to uphold it. The progressives have activist judges in place to interpret as they please; Obama and his thugs are perfectly capable of bribery, extortion, and trickery; Obama and Holder have destroyedthe balance of power.
  • john Kills Tuna 2012/07/05 21:49:25
    john Kills
    +1
    It's not the job of our politicians to uphold the constitution. It's our ( the people's ) job. Our founding fathers told us we would need to rebel because all governments turn into tyranny. The power and the responsibility belong to the people.
  • Tuna john Kills 2012/07/06 13:20:28
    Tuna
    What do you mean, not their job?? Their OATH of office is to "protect, uphold, and defend" the Constitution. That's why the Tea Party began passing out pocket versions, because so many politicians have NO IDEA what's in our Bill of Rights.
  • john Kills Tuna 2012/07/06 22:45:24
    john Kills
    +1
    you're clearly clueless. look at history. every government has turned to tyranny and our founders told us this government would also.
  • Tuna john Kills 2012/07/07 15:30:45
    Tuna
    Actually it really began with Bush 41, after they got Reagan out of the way and JFK before him. You know they tried to remove Reagan the same way they removed JFK; ever heard of them trying to eliminate FDR or Carter or Clinton or Obama; hell no, they are part of "THEM".
  • john Kills Tuna 2012/07/08 15:32:00
    john Kills
    +1
    You are correct. I remember bush sr giving a whole speech promoting the new world order. Kennedy did warn us and was killed for not going along.
  • Tuna john Kills 2012/07/09 13:41:17
    Tuna
    I am glad there IS someone else; republicans refuse to do self evaluation. The republican partyneeds HELP !! They hated Reagan; nuff said.
  • john Kills Tuna 2012/07/09 16:16:48
    john Kills
    I am still and will remain a registered reproblem so I don't have to sit out the primary elections but, I am loyal to no party. If more people would pay attention and abandon blind loyalty, we wouldn't be in this mess. Football, family guy, jerry springer, american idol, is more important to the majority of voters than paying attention to our elected politicians and their criminal activities.
  • Tuna john Kills 2012/07/09 16:18:55
    Tuna
    +1
    We have gotten to the point where we go to the polls thinking "anybody but that guy that is in there" and that is what we get, "anybody".
  • john Kills Tuna 2012/07/09 16:44:23
    john Kills
    +1
    And anybody equals, somebody who ain't worth a damn like, dumney
  • Tuna john Kills 2012/07/09 17:43:15
    Tuna
    +1
    The list grows every election.
  • politicalsoldier 2012/07/05 14:43:06
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    politicalsoldier
    +4
    And let me guess, this second Declaration you are hoping for will closely mirror the old Soviet Union's so called "Declaration", am I right?
  • bags the Indigenous Guru 2012/07/05 14:31:51
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    bags the Indigenous Guru
    +5
    Men wiser than you and I drafted and implemented what is the longest lived democracy/democratic republic in the history of mankind. We are NOT wiser than they. Leave it alone....AND FOLLOW IT.

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