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Is It Time For a NEW Declaration of Independence & Constitution?

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Is It Time to Call for a Second Declaration of Independence & Constitution?


Declaration-of-Independence_full_600Let’s
start with a shocking, but true premise: If you are a patriotic
American, you believe that there are circumstances under which it is
right to take up arms against your own government. That statement feels
wrong to me. It reeks of militia and McVeigh and toothless loons holed
up with guns in cabins in order to avoid paying income taxes.

But the fact remains that the rationale for the existence of the
nation known as the United States of America, which first appeared in
print 236 years ago today, is entirely dependent on the premise that
there are indeed times “…when in the Course of human events, it becomes
necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have
connected them with another…” and that such times may require the first
group of people to “…mutually pledge to each other [their] Lives,
[their] Fortunes and [their] sacred Honor.” And that having dissolved
those political bands with another people, the newly liberated people
(“…and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy
War…”) may, among other things, protect themselves from a tyrannical
power which engages in “…a long train of abuses and usurpations,
pursuing invariably the same Object [which] evinces a design to reduce
them under absolute Despotism…”


This is the argument presented to the world by Adams, Jefferson, and
Franklin. It was adopted and approved by the Continental Congress. It
has been graphically represented in the Great Seal of the United States
and it is treated as the origin of the American Republic not just in the
Declaration of Independence itself, but also in the Constitution.


In other words the Constitution was signed in the fall of 1787, which
was during the 12th year of the United States, which places the event
which initiated the Republic sometime before September 1776. Is there
any other event, save the Declaration, which would fit the historical
bill? Of course not. And just in case any would argue, as Bork tried to
in our debate, that this is simply a matter of a date to which no
significance can be attributed, I would point out that the Great Seal of
the United States, which was the result of several years of
deliberation, labels the foundation (it is a literal architectural
foundation at the base of a pyramid) with the Roman numerals for the
year 1776. In short, the Declaration and the principles on which it is
based are the foundational ideas of our Republic. One can deny their
truth, but one cannot deny their legal authority.


This implies something very important: No governmental official can
deny the right of the people to dissolve the political bands which tie
them to a tyrannical government without at the same time denying the
Declaration and, by extension, the Constitution on which his own power
is based. If he says, “The Declaration no longer applies; you must obey
my authority no matter what.” We can rightly reply, “If the Declaration
no longer applies, then the government of which you are a part no longer
possesses legitimacy; which means you have no authority in the first
place and therefore have no right to demand that we obey.”








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  • Gwendol... Justin ... 2012/07/06 17:39:09
    Gwendolyn Harper
    I think you meant "touching" not "touche." Touche means "Oops. Stepped on a toe!"
  • Justin ... Gwendol... 2012/07/06 20:53:04 (edited)
    Justin Teufel Hunden
    +1
    Touché - Used to acknowledge a hit in fencing or a successful criticism or an effective point in argument. Go bother someone else.
  • stl.sha... stormy rae 2012/07/06 07:57:23 (edited)
    stl.shamrock
    +2
    I couldn't explain it better. Thank you.

    (edited for spelling)
  • shadow76 stormy rae 2012/07/06 10:45:11
    shadow76
    +2
    That young woman is a great speaker! I hope it didn't fall on deaf ears.
  • Flamingolady 2012/07/06 03:19:42
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Flamingolady
    +4
    The one we have now, has been good up until BO decided to use it as his own personal toilet paper. I say get a new PRESIDENT!!!
  • stormy rae Flaming... 2012/07/06 03:51:15
    stormy rae
    +1
    Why cant I rave posts like yours more than once Joan
  • Wyzard 2012/07/06 00:30:02
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Wyzard
    +4
    Only a dumb ass liberal, socialist, anti-American and Obama supporter low life would vote yes to this!
  • WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA 2012/07/06 00:04:09
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA
    +4
    Heck NO!
  • WinterLynn 2012/07/05 23:04:32
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    WinterLynn
    +6
    Sadly our Constitution is being destroyed by that POS Hussein Odumbo.

    sadly constitution destroyed pos hussein odumbo
  • Arel 2012/07/05 22:56:38
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Arel
    +5
    It is time for a new Congress, POTUS and we the people our country couldn't be further from what our founding fathers envisioned.
  • Savious 2012/07/05 22:09:26
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Savious
    +3
    A very interesting argument; but I fail to see how it applies to anything right now; or how it was calling for a new declaration or constitution.
  • Child of light 2012/07/05 22:01:22 (edited)
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Child of light
    +6
    No, we do not need a new Declaration of Independence. What we need is for We the People to overthrow everyone in federal office and elect new people. We need to show this corrupt, communist administration that We the People want freedom and not dependence on government. Power to the People!!! What we also need is for people to stand up against tyranny and tyrant peoeple who want more power. Demand the impeachment for all public officials who openly and repeatedly do unconstitutional acts and ignore the Constitution in general. Case in point, when Obama passed his version of the "dream act" overstepping Congressional reponsibilities and authority, I was outraged to hear that very few government officials spoke out against this. It doesn't matter if Congress has blocked most or all of Obama's plans. Unfortunately for him, that is simply part of our Checks and Balances process. If he doens't like it, he can go take over some other country.
  • HillaryLover 2012/07/05 21:46:05
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    HillaryLover
    +3
    Fughgetaboutit!
  • john Kills 2012/07/05 21:42:35
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    john Kills
    +3
    It's time we once again declare our independence from a tyrannous government and restore the constitution. The tree of liberty needs refreshing, needs blood
  • JackSchitt 2012/07/05 21:15:57
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    JackSchitt
    +5
    Our current documents are some of the best in human history. Any issues with the Constitution can and should be addressed through amendments.

    Can you even IMAGINE it being re-written by the clowns we have in office today?

    new constitution
  • stormy rae JackSchitt 2012/07/06 03:57:25
    stormy rae
    +2
    thats why she said this about who needs to have the guns


  • stormy rae JackSchitt 2012/07/06 04:00:22
    stormy rae
    +2
    thanks for the reminder of why they need to get the hell out Great Picture
    trespassers will be shot picture of gun on sign
  • Brat 2012/07/05 21:15:23
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Brat
    +3
    Absolutely not!
  • Pm 2012/07/05 20:26:35
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Pm
    +4
    WHy do you libs want to ruin this country?
    And declare Independence from what?
  • stl.sha... Pm 2012/07/06 07:37:20
    stl.shamrock
    Independence from the current laws they're breaking and the People are calling them out about.
  • Pm stl.sha... 2012/07/07 22:17:16
    Pm
    WHO IS THEY? WHAT LAWS ARE BEING BROKEN?
  • stl.sha... Pm 2012/07/09 06:06:10
    stl.shamrock
    Are you really that dense? The "they" I referred to are our politicians. As for the laws they are breaking? Do you really need someone to spell them out? I don't think you're naive (or dumb) enough to think they don't break the law when it's convenient for them. From campaign finances to dodging those pesky tax laws, the people we've (as a collective) voted into positions of power, are lining their pockets and crapping on the Constitution and Bill of Rights..
  • Pm stl.sha... 2012/07/10 19:24:28
    Pm
    Thanks for showing no laws are broken lib.
  • stl.sha... Pm 2012/07/11 05:25:27
    stl.shamrock
    Hmmm... Typically, trolls don't show a face.

    Instead of copying and pasting, I'll give you this:

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=politici...

    Click on the first link (Wiki) and read.

    Was that "Lib" enough of a response?
  • Pm stl.sha... 2012/07/11 18:18:14
    Pm
    And when they have, they have faced the consequences. Every0one does so.
    I was wondering which specific laws and which specific politicians you were referring to. If you cannot discuss this, then you are a lib because they can never discuss what is said without resorting to lib tactics.
  • stl.sha... Pm 2012/07/11 19:03:51
    stl.shamrock
    So, because I refer to politicians that have been caught (and faced consequences) I'm to assume that no one else in politics has broken the law and gotten away with it? Sorry, but I believe people from all walks of life get away with breaking laws all the time.

    As for me being a Liberal, you're barking up the wrong tree. I want to peel back government until it bleeds, then peel it back a little more. I've been rather outspoken on how screwed up this country (and the government) has gotten. Just because I can't give specific examples of who did what, doesn't mean it isn't happening.
  • Pm stl.sha... 2012/07/14 18:50:31
    Pm
    so your an anarchist. The anarchists of the past, well known, are all libs now. Check for yourself.
    "Just because I can't give specific examples of who did what, doesn't mean it isn't happening."
    ^I rest my case.
  • Mary Ann 2012/07/05 19:48:30
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Mary Ann
    +4
    No, it was what made this country great, desirable and prosperous.
  • John 2012/07/05 19:08:17
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    John
    +2
    When our forefathers spoke of dissolving political bonds they were speaking of a foreign power not their fellow countrymen.
  • cowboy 2012/07/05 18:59:01
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    cowboy
    +4
    Lets just kick out the ones trying to change it.
  • intolerantrwj 2012/07/05 18:37:01
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    intolerantrwj
    +4
    .... NOPE .... simply re-instituting The Original 13th Amendment will cure most all of our woes !
  • Ken 2012/07/05 18:36:10
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Ken
    +6
    There is nothing wrong with the Constitution other than the way it's been interpreted out of existence.

    "Our peculiar security is in possession of a written Constitution. Let us not make it a blank paper by construction." -- Thomas Jefferson,
    "I entirely concur in resorting to the sense in which the Constitution was accepted and ratified by the nation. In that sense alone it is the legitimate Constitution." -- James Madison

    Our Supreme Court, using "deference" to congress as its excuse, has allowed to happen exactly what two of the greatest of our founders, Madison and Jefferson, warned against. They have made a blank paper of the Constitution by construction.

    The answer is not a new Constitution, it is a group of ten amendments known as the Bill of Federalism, proposed by Georgetown Law professor Randy Barnett. Prof. Barnett's amendments would require the Supreme Court to interpret the Constitution in its original sense and would declare unconstitutional all departments and agencies that aren't authorized under Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution and give the federal government five years to shut them down.

    Here is a link to an article in Forbes (it also appeared in the Wall Street Journal) describing the Bill of Federalism. It includes a resolution for state ...

    There is nothing wrong with the Constitution other than the way it's been interpreted out of existence.

    "Our peculiar security is in possession of a written Constitution. Let us not make it a blank paper by construction." -- Thomas Jefferson,
    "I entirely concur in resorting to the sense in which the Constitution was accepted and ratified by the nation. In that sense alone it is the legitimate Constitution." -- James Madison

    Our Supreme Court, using "deference" to congress as its excuse, has allowed to happen exactly what two of the greatest of our founders, Madison and Jefferson, warned against. They have made a blank paper of the Constitution by construction.

    The answer is not a new Constitution, it is a group of ten amendments known as the Bill of Federalism, proposed by Georgetown Law professor Randy Barnett. Prof. Barnett's amendments would require the Supreme Court to interpret the Constitution in its original sense and would declare unconstitutional all departments and agencies that aren't authorized under Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution and give the federal government five years to shut them down.

    Here is a link to an article in Forbes (it also appeared in the Wall Street Journal) describing the Bill of Federalism. It includes a resolution for state legislatures to adopt to force the congress to either put the amendments up for a vote of the states or convene a constitutional convention: http://www.forbes.com/2009/05...

    I SUGGEST THAT EVERYONE CUT AND PASTE THE LINK AND CONTACT YOUR STATE LEGISLATORS TO GET A MOVEMENT GOING ON THIS. AFTER THE SCOTUS DECISION ON OBAMACARE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS, QUITE LITERALLY, "UNCHAINED," AND IN A POSITION TO FORCE UPON THE POPULOUS ANYTHING THEY DAMNED WELL PLEASE!
    (more)
  • actionjksn Ken 2012/07/05 19:33:45
  • Ken actionjksn 2012/07/06 01:23:32
    Ken
    +4
    All that needs to be done is to "analyze" the Constitution as the contract that it is. It is a contract between the original states,to which each state signed on to as they joined the union, by which they created a central, "federal government" with limited powers. To make sure it was understood that the federal government had only the powers delineated in Article I, Section 8, they added the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, providing that all other powers, even those not mentioned, were retained by the States, or by the people. The Supreme Court has turned the Constitution on its head and given the federal government, which was created by the states, every single bit of power they wish to usurp from the states.
  • stormy rae Ken 2012/07/06 04:05:08
    stormy rae
    +1
    not analysis of the Constitution, analysis with taser shocks need to be done on the heads of anyone that seeks to rewrite the only thing that if we hold onto we can nullify and denounce the POTUS that is committing the biggest fraud and robbery in American History to the American People! Take note folks. The way events is happeneing will never go down in your History Books like you remember it. This is the making of the Revolution. I bet it would be just that Ms. Nancy talking about We have to ratify the new one to find out whats inside. No Thanks. I think we are doing a great job of interpreting it without radical extreme jumping of the fence that the American People stand behind.
  • Maddog 2012/07/05 18:29:06
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Maddog
    +4
    The original Constitution is just fine. It's what made America a great country and the envy of the world. We need to hold our politicians' feet to the fire to insure that they adhere to the spirit of this venerable document!
  • boneman1 2012/07/05 18:26:24
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    boneman1
    +4
    There's no problem with our Declaration of Independence and Constitution. The problem is that we've got politicians, lawyers and judges that have twisted it beyond recognition at times. We need to elect people that will govern based strictly on what's written in the constitution and interpreted as intended by our forefathers.
  • KG 2012/07/05 18:17:12 (edited)
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    KG
    +2
    We need to FALLOW the ONE WE'VE GOT!
  • frank 2012/07/05 18:17:10
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    frank
    +1
    In order to write a new constitution you would need 50 people, (one from each state) who could sit down and agree on the wording or meaning of a new constitution..
  • stl.sha... frank 2012/07/06 07:41:47
    stl.shamrock
    +1
    If it ended up like most Bills in Congress, it would be 300+ pages and full of lawyer-speak. No one would fully understand what it meant, so it would mean everything to some and nothing to others.

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