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Is It Time For a NEW Declaration of Independence & Constitution?

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Is It Time to Call for a Second Declaration of Independence & Constitution?


Declaration-of-Independence_full_600Let’s
start with a shocking, but true premise: If you are a patriotic
American, you believe that there are circumstances under which it is
right to take up arms against your own government. That statement feels
wrong to me. It reeks of militia and McVeigh and toothless loons holed
up with guns in cabins in order to avoid paying income taxes.

But the fact remains that the rationale for the existence of the
nation known as the United States of America, which first appeared in
print 236 years ago today, is entirely dependent on the premise that
there are indeed times “…when in the Course of human events, it becomes
necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have
connected them with another…” and that such times may require the first
group of people to “…mutually pledge to each other [their] Lives,
[their] Fortunes and [their] sacred Honor.” And that having dissolved
those political bands with another people, the newly liberated people
(“…and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy
War…”) may, among other things, protect themselves from a tyrannical
power which engages in “…a long train of abuses and usurpations,
pursuing invariably the same Object [which] evinces a design to reduce
them under absolute Despotism…”


This is the argument presented to the world by Adams, Jefferson, and
Franklin. It was adopted and approved by the Continental Congress. It
has been graphically represented in the Great Seal of the United States
and it is treated as the origin of the American Republic not just in the
Declaration of Independence itself, but also in the Constitution.


In other words the Constitution was signed in the fall of 1787, which
was during the 12th year of the United States, which places the event
which initiated the Republic sometime before September 1776. Is there
any other event, save the Declaration, which would fit the historical
bill? Of course not. And just in case any would argue, as Bork tried to
in our debate, that this is simply a matter of a date to which no
significance can be attributed, I would point out that the Great Seal of
the United States, which was the result of several years of
deliberation, labels the foundation (it is a literal architectural
foundation at the base of a pyramid) with the Roman numerals for the
year 1776. In short, the Declaration and the principles on which it is
based are the foundational ideas of our Republic. One can deny their
truth, but one cannot deny their legal authority.


This implies something very important: No governmental official can
deny the right of the people to dissolve the political bands which tie
them to a tyrannical government without at the same time denying the
Declaration and, by extension, the Constitution on which his own power
is based. If he says, “The Declaration no longer applies; you must obey
my authority no matter what.” We can rightly reply, “If the Declaration
no longer applies, then the government of which you are a part no longer
possesses legitimacy; which means you have no authority in the first
place and therefore have no right to demand that we obey.”








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  • dave b 2012/07/06 15:54:08
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    dave b
    +1
    Our founding documents are fine the way they are.
  • jere.chievres 2012/07/06 15:53:50
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    jere.chievres
    +1
    The original is fine , just ENFORCE IT!
  • santa6642 2012/07/06 15:17:38
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    santa6642
    +2
    the one we have works . if only the liberals would follow it with out trying to destroy this country.
  • JIM 2012/07/06 14:49:17
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    JIM
    +2
    no just follow what we have
  • mac9 2012/07/06 14:48:28
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    mac9
    +1
    Ours is the best instrument for freedom and democracy in the world. It has been tweeked and interpreted to death. It is simple to understand and guarantees rights to the people and keeps government in check. Anyone who can't see that has been nowhere else in the world. .......PROTECT IT DEFEAT OBAMA 2012!
  • Stacy F 2012/07/06 13:55:28 (edited)
  • Rick 2012/07/06 13:50:55
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Rick
    +1
    Follow the laws set forth! We should follow the path provided to us in order to get rid of the current GOV that has gone amuck, and restore it! It is gettng to that point especially over the last three years and even before that. Patriots are waiting for the call and a leader should we continue down this path! O' Commies liked the Arab Spring what about an American Spring! I'm not pusing this but this post sure spells it out if we continue with ignoring or founding document. The Constitution!!! GBA! We are a country founded on God, inalienable rights, and Laws that the following forget. Down with dictators, crooked politicians & judges! Where did we put the Tar and Feathers?
  • jimmy d 2012/07/06 13:50:44 (edited)
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    jimmy d
    +3
    This country has been the envy of the world for over 200 years. It's not broken so why fix it.
    obama standing on constitution
  • Studied 2012/07/06 12:50:48
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Studied
    +3
    Our constitution has been working just fine and should not be dismantled. OUr forefathers were forward thinking and created a constitution that could be amended as needed. We do NOT need a new Constitution or Declaration of Independence.
  • Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody 2012/07/06 12:09:30
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody
    +3
    I see no one around that I would trust to write a new one.
  • Mr. T Dwight-... 2012/07/06 15:28:35
    Mr. T
    +2
    Exactly.
  • Luke 2012/07/06 12:07:41
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Luke
    +2
    Play the game that got you here!!!!!
  • pollofrito 2012/07/06 11:33:53
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    pollofrito
    +3
    No No No: It is not the Constitution that needs remedial treatment. It is, however, the nuances applied to the language of the Constitution by politicians and judges through policy enactment and judicial interpretations that need to be revisited, repealed or set aside.
  • shadow76 2012/07/06 10:36:37
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    shadow76
    +4
    It was written by geniuses the like of which will never be again. There is no way anyone could write a better one!
  • Airhead shadow76 2012/07/07 19:39:00
    Airhead
    They are here but they are usually thrown in jails, defamed, or ignored.
  • shadow76 Airhead 2012/07/07 19:40:33
    shadow76
    Name some!
  • Airhead shadow76 2012/07/07 19:50:10
    Airhead
    Countless activists who fight for our rights daily are jailed
    Julian Assange defamed
    Ron Paul ignored
  • shadow76 Airhead 2012/07/08 09:08:13
    shadow76
    Julian Assange? Name more of the countless.
  • Airhead shadow76 2012/07/08 09:23:21
    Airhead
    I've had friends who were in the jailed category and I dont need to list names here. Almost everyone knows of at lest one injustice served by our current system.
  • shadow76 Airhead 2012/07/08 09:36:55
    shadow76
    You really have nothing, know nothing and are really a complete airhead!
  • stl.shamrock 2012/07/06 07:32:22
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    stl.shamrock
    +2
    The very same passages that were quoted were used just before the Civil War (or "War of Northern Aggression" depending on where you were raised). Was it wrong for people to take up arms against a government that was attempting to over-rule the states' rights to govern themselves? I'd have to answer, "No." Agree with their reasons or not, they defended their rights.

    The Constitution (and Bill of Rights) are the most concise rules that could have been penned. If a revolution started to drive the insane (career) politicians out of office, I'd stand and fight. Call me a "toothless loon holed up with guns in cabins in order to avoid paying income taxes" if you'd like. But, freedom isn't free.

    Sorry for straying off topic...

    Why should we re-write two of the most perfectly written documents in our history? Instead of re-writing them, why shouldn't we be following them to the letter?

    All men (women, straight, gay, etc) are created equal? Check.
    Life, Liberty, & Pursuit of Happiness? Check.
    Checks and balances for government? Check.

    Why can't we leave well enough alone? Re-writing the Declaration of Independence & Constitution to be more politically correct is similar to re-carving "David" wearing boxers because people are offended by his dinky penis showing. Sounds kin...



    The very same passages that were quoted were used just before the Civil War (or "War of Northern Aggression" depending on where you were raised). Was it wrong for people to take up arms against a government that was attempting to over-rule the states' rights to govern themselves? I'd have to answer, "No." Agree with their reasons or not, they defended their rights.

    The Constitution (and Bill of Rights) are the most concise rules that could have been penned. If a revolution started to drive the insane (career) politicians out of office, I'd stand and fight. Call me a "toothless loon holed up with guns in cabins in order to avoid paying income taxes" if you'd like. But, freedom isn't free.

    Sorry for straying off topic...

    Why should we re-write two of the most perfectly written documents in our history? Instead of re-writing them, why shouldn't we be following them to the letter?

    All men (women, straight, gay, etc) are created equal? Check.
    Life, Liberty, & Pursuit of Happiness? Check.
    Checks and balances for government? Check.

    Why can't we leave well enough alone? Re-writing the Declaration of Independence & Constitution to be more politically correct is similar to re-carving "David" wearing boxers because people are offended by his dinky penis showing. Sounds kind of silly, doesn't it? Well, in this case, our masterpiece was the basis of an entire country's laws.

    This country is quickly going to Hell in a handbasket. More and more people are lining up, unwittingly or not, and letting it happen.

    *shrugs* Maybe this is just the ranting of a loon, but it makes perfect sense to me. *grin*
    (more)
  • Rick stl.sha... 2012/07/06 13:56:15
    Rick
    +1
    We don't have anybody that has not been corrupted these days that I'd trust! Everybody has their own agenda and views. I mean both party's!
  • stl.sha... Rick 2012/07/06 17:14:42
    stl.shamrock
    I agree completely.
  • Curious George 2012/07/06 06:54:14
    YES! What is taking so long?
    Curious George
    +2
    personally, the only change needed is to make the supreme court accountable to the will of the american people by allowing congress to request a referendum of the people without presidential approval for overturning unpopular court decisions.
  • Edwin 2012/07/06 05:16:26
    Undecided
    Edwin
    +1
    I'm not sure why you wouldn't opt instead for a Constitutional Convention or a couple dozen new amendments.
  • Rick Edwin 2012/07/06 13:58:20
    Rick
    Because there are to many that have agendas and run by party politics. Leave well enough alone. Follow the laws we have on the books and stop reading into them.
  • Justin Teufel Hunden 2012/07/06 05:15:52
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Justin Teufel Hunden
    +2
    If we would stick to some basic law, as our constitution has listed, we wouldn't be in this crap. Too many attorneys rewriting laws and altering our constitution. Barry says it's out of date and doesn't mean what it did then. Wtf? It has some pretty plain Jane words from my reading. I.E. illegal immigration....an immigrant for president .... Bunch of O.J. Attorney/Bull Clinton walking thesaurus of bullsh!t. Bill Clinton - 'depends on what the definition of is is'
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
  • Gwendolyn Harper 2012/07/06 04:48:02
    YES! What is taking so long?
    Gwendolyn Harper
    I think they should change it, like not everyone should have the right to bear arms. Only citizens who have shown to an authority they they know the mechanics of a gun.
  • jimmy d Gwendol... 2012/07/06 13:53:04 (edited)
    jimmy d
    Guns don't kill; people do!
    "The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." -Thomas Jefferson
  • Savious Gwendol... 2012/07/06 16:06:32
    Savious
    Absolutely; and only Citizens who have shown to the authorities that they have a good understanding of grammar and spelling should be allowed free speech. And only those, who have shown, that they fully understand all the details of a situation, should have the right to protest, or redress the government for grievance.

    While we’re at it; how about quartering troops; yea, let them show the government that they can’t support the troops before they are guaranteed the right to not be imposed upon.

    And those pesky 4th and 5th amendments; I’m sure we could find some clause there as well, where a person would have to show why they apply as well.

    The right to self defense is paramount; we don’t ban the freedom of speech because some people abuse it, why would we ban the ownership of firearms.
  • Gwendol... Savious 2012/07/06 17:31:56
    Gwendolyn Harper
    I see your point. But guns are guns.
  • Savious Gwendol... 2012/07/06 18:54:07
    Savious
    +1
    Yes, guns are guns, they are tools, nothing more, and nothing less. There are many tools which are capable of killing a person, and many besides guns which are directly designed to kill a person.

    For a religous person, let me ask you this; when Cain killed Able, did God ban rocks, or Cain?
  • Gwendol... Savious 2012/07/06 19:19:30
    Gwendolyn Harper
    God banned Cain. And in answer to another question, I wouldn't give a nutty guy a blender, either. Sears should have a list of nuts that they cannot sell blenders to.
  • fa2nd chu Gwendol... 2012/07/06 22:58:02
    fa2nd chu
    +1
    Criminals know the mechanics of a gun. So, they are OK?
  • MarcusRP 2012/07/06 04:12:21
    Undecided
    MarcusRP
    While I think that the Constitution should be amended, I don't think it should be done away with entirely.
  • stormy rae 2012/07/06 03:49:06
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    stormy rae
    +2
    Hey heres a thought, the sitting POTUS is rewriting it by way of Executive Order, and he finds the original one to be old and timeless. He says flawed. I happen to think his thought process is fundamentally flawed, and his head need be examined by one of them same doctors they will have prescribing us all sorts of new meds. I vote he take them as the human trial while we watch, since he needs therapy at the present moment.
  • RT 2012/07/06 03:25:02
  • stormy rae RT 2012/07/06 03:56:00
    stormy rae
    +6
    If you watch the video she will explain at the end the need to bear arms


  • Gwendol... stormy rae 2012/07/06 04:55:16
    Gwendolyn Harper
    +2
    I was very moved by this video. I hope that this never happens to me.
  • Justin ... stormy rae 2012/07/06 05:25:41
    Justin Teufel Hunden
    +2
    Touché.

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