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Is It Time For a NEW Declaration of Independence & Constitution?

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Is It Time to Call for a Second Declaration of Independence & Constitution?


Declaration-of-Independence_full_600Let’s
start with a shocking, but true premise: If you are a patriotic
American, you believe that there are circumstances under which it is
right to take up arms against your own government. That statement feels
wrong to me. It reeks of militia and McVeigh and toothless loons holed
up with guns in cabins in order to avoid paying income taxes.

But the fact remains that the rationale for the existence of the
nation known as the United States of America, which first appeared in
print 236 years ago today, is entirely dependent on the premise that
there are indeed times “…when in the Course of human events, it becomes
necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have
connected them with another…” and that such times may require the first
group of people to “…mutually pledge to each other [their] Lives,
[their] Fortunes and [their] sacred Honor.” And that having dissolved
those political bands with another people, the newly liberated people
(“…and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy
War…”) may, among other things, protect themselves from a tyrannical
power which engages in “…a long train of abuses and usurpations,
pursuing invariably the same Object [which] evinces a design to reduce
them under absolute Despotism…”


This is the argument presented to the world by Adams, Jefferson, and
Franklin. It was adopted and approved by the Continental Congress. It
has been graphically represented in the Great Seal of the United States
and it is treated as the origin of the American Republic not just in the
Declaration of Independence itself, but also in the Constitution.


In other words the Constitution was signed in the fall of 1787, which
was during the 12th year of the United States, which places the event
which initiated the Republic sometime before September 1776. Is there
any other event, save the Declaration, which would fit the historical
bill? Of course not. And just in case any would argue, as Bork tried to
in our debate, that this is simply a matter of a date to which no
significance can be attributed, I would point out that the Great Seal of
the United States, which was the result of several years of
deliberation, labels the foundation (it is a literal architectural
foundation at the base of a pyramid) with the Roman numerals for the
year 1776. In short, the Declaration and the principles on which it is
based are the foundational ideas of our Republic. One can deny their
truth, but one cannot deny their legal authority.


This implies something very important: No governmental official can
deny the right of the people to dissolve the political bands which tie
them to a tyrannical government without at the same time denying the
Declaration and, by extension, the Constitution on which his own power
is based. If he says, “The Declaration no longer applies; you must obey
my authority no matter what.” We can rightly reply, “If the Declaration
no longer applies, then the government of which you are a part no longer
possesses legitimacy; which means you have no authority in the first
place and therefore have no right to demand that we obey.”








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  • steelcore1085 2012/08/01 20:14:53
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    steelcore1085
    Why change something that has worked for over 200 years? I'd rather keep what we have rather than change it!
  • PDenoli 2012/07/11 00:23:02
    Undecided
    PDenoli
    +1
    My desire to see wrongs righted is overwhelmed by the ability of the leadership of the past 40 years to make things worse. Far worse.
  • Lanikai 2012/07/10 15:44:38
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Lanikai
    +1
    No, it is time to demand congress follow the existing one, period.
  • Andrew 2012/07/09 21:28:21
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Andrew
    +1
    NO!!! And just rip it up and replace it? I don't think so, I know they say new is better but in this case the old Constitution is best.
  • syl 2012/07/09 18:01:00
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    syl
    +1
    The authors of these amazing documents knew how to think circles around us these days. They came from a time where "thinking" was held in the highest regard, & cultivated extensively.


    Today, politicians pale in comparison, & appear to be somewhat of a circus-running back & forth on every issue, & campaign promise from '08.

    We need true patriots NOW, but in keeping with our Declaration of Independance, & Constitution.
  • SteveMarine- JLA 2012/07/09 05:55:32
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    SteveMarine- JLA
    +2
    No I dont see anything wrong with how it is...I guess some things sort of change with the times...but our traditions and old ways are what made this country... Why destroy all of that? I say we need to work on Goin back to the way things were.....
  • pumpkin1960 2012/07/09 05:00:19
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    pumpkin1960
    +2
    Sort of Amen and ditto. Great post!
  • flyingseaturtle BN 2012/07/07 23:04:24
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    flyingseaturtle BN
  • Dolly 2012/07/07 22:54:10
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Dolly
  • Airhead 2012/07/07 19:33:02
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Airhead
    And don't go saying that liberals or conservatives are against the constitution. It seems that both conservatives and liberals like to use it as toilet paper and then dig it out of the toilet when it suits them.
  • Mr.Steve 2012/07/07 13:59:30
  • dave s 2012/07/07 12:20:47
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    dave  s
    +1
    the original documents will do just fine, as soon as the politicians get out of the way
  • ruralntex 2012/07/07 10:19:58
    Undecided
    ruralntex
    While I am dubious of the federal government, I do love the USA. It is the 21st century, perhaps it is time for some changes, as Washington DC is out of control chasing some dram I am unaware of much less resigned too.
  • ktmg 2012/07/07 08:58:31
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    ktmg
    Our fore fathers did something right, or we wouldn't have people from every other country on earth trying to become citizens. Speak up America, Stand your ground, Stop bending over without even getting a kiss first!
  • Sophie 2012/07/07 06:18:53
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Sophie
    +1
    The simple answer is NO.
  • davidgoessplat 2012/07/07 04:19:32
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    davidgoessplat
    If that ever happened it would be one of the most tragic events in the history of the world.
  • Mog of War 2012/07/07 03:28:53
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Mog of War
    Yeah... The deal is, a new Declaration of Independence and the writing of a new constitution would require a new revolution which would be quite violent, and most of us do not our nation to be once again torn apart in civil war, because a few people want to reshape our nation's charter according to THEIR view of what the rights of human beings are, which is not in line with that of the majority if they lack the wherewithal to initiate a constitutional amendment.
  • RepublicanDefender 2012/07/07 02:32:07
  • RepublicanDefender 2012/07/06 23:58:17
  • Republic 2012/07/06 23:09:26
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Republic
    I see there are 16 scum bags that voted Yes.
  • DougE 2012/07/06 23:04:28
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    DougE
    There's nothing wrong with the one we have, it's the politicians who fail to follow it. And the new one woudl be abused as well.
  • chicagosjentleone 2012/07/06 21:25:58
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    chicagosjentleone
    +1
    We need the people on the hill to stick to it!
  • Patrick Moser 2012/07/06 21:12:16
    YES! What is taking so long?
    Patrick Moser
    FDR had lived maybe this would all be a mute point, freedom with economic security (or at least a fair shot) is no freedom at all.

    Excerpt from President Roosevelt's January 11, 1944 message to the Congress of the United States on the State of the Union

    It is our duty now to begin to lay the plans and determine the strategy for the winning of a lasting peace and the establishment of an American standard of living higher than ever before known. We cannot be content, no matter how high that general standard of living may be, if some fraction of our people—whether it be one-third or one-fifth or one-tenth—is ill-fed, ill-clothed, ill-housed, and insecure.

    This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights—among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty.

    As our nation has grown in size and stature, however—as our industrial economy expanded—these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness.

    We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. “Necessitous men ar...







































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    FDR had lived maybe this would all be a mute point, freedom with economic security (or at least a fair shot) is no freedom at all.

    Excerpt from President Roosevelt's January 11, 1944 message to the Congress of the United States on the State of the Union

    It is our duty now to begin to lay the plans and determine the strategy for the winning of a lasting peace and the establishment of an American standard of living higher than ever before known. We cannot be content, no matter how high that general standard of living may be, if some fraction of our people—whether it be one-third or one-fifth or one-tenth—is ill-fed, ill-clothed, ill-housed, and insecure.

    This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights—among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty.

    As our nation has grown in size and stature, however—as our industrial economy expanded—these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness.

    We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. “Necessitous men are not free men.” People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.

    In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

    Among these are:

    The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

    The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

    The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

    The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

    The right of every family to a decent home;

    The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

    The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

    The right to a good education.

    All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

    America’s own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for our citizens.

    Jefferson felt our or any constitution should be burned every 20 years so that our Children and Grandchildren will not be bound by our mistake's ignorance’s bigotry s and the fact that we may be wrong.(I paraphrase) Our Constitution has served us well but its time to make it work for all Americans unlike when it was written the only free man were the one who owned land if you did not (own land) you could not vote so the founder great men all, but they could never have imagined the complexity of our modern society.

    He (Jefferson) said the constitution is a contract with the living, not the dead.

    Jefferson thought the dead should not rule the living, thus constitutions should expire frequently, but the fact is that the U.S. Constitution quickly became enshrined by the public and is the oldest constitution in the world,” said Zachary Elkins, a professor of political science at Illinois.

    Here is the quote, this combined with the rebellion every 20 years quote makes his views pretty clear.

    "I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."
    T. Jefferson

    -----------------------------...

    Source:
    The Public Papers & Addresses of Franklin D. Roosevelt (Samuel Rosenman, ed.), Vol XIII (NY: Harper, 1950), 40-42

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    a new bill of rights for americans fdr
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  • Republic Patrick... 2012/07/06 23:11:56
    Republic
    +3
    go join the Taliban it is clear your all for em.
  • dave s Patrick... 2012/07/07 12:34:01
    dave  s
    +2
    First of all, the word is m-o-o-t; not m-u-t-e.

    Second, a person's rights cannot and should not come from government, which is what you are espousing. The role of government is to ensure that all persons have equal opportunity, not outcome, and that all are free to choose a path in life that they deem best for themselves as individuals. True freedom comes from the ability to pursue an individual course of action without government intrusion or interference impeding that action. Economic security cannot be guaranteed by government, but rather by individuals themselves.

    The moment government confers rights on an individual is the moment that the individual becomes a slave to the very body that has conferred those rights.
  • DMC4196 2012/07/06 20:20:50 (edited)
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    DMC4196
    +1
    Why would anyone try to change the one we have? The problem is not what we have had for more than 200 years. No other nation has created such wealth (even our poor experience a higher level of living than the rest of the worlds poor; hence the reason they all want to come here), people who are born poor here don't have to remain as such; unlike many other nations.

    The biggest problem with our system is the over abundance of attorneys in public office. For some reason, we've given up on the idea of a normal citizen representing his fellow American by holding an office for a short period of time and keeping Americas best interest at heart. We now have representation that only thinks of themselves and views Americans as "the little people", while they give themselves more power and wealth.

    The strange part of this philosophy is that it is the American public who really holds the power and if we were to realize that power the poor politician would loose their power. I believe this to be the real reason that Democrats and Republicans keep us divided during elections. Think about it, once in office, they all behave pretty much the same (the Republicans were just as big on spending prior to loosing the house and senate in 2006) and pass laws that really only benefit themselves as...

    Why would anyone try to change the one we have? The problem is not what we have had for more than 200 years. No other nation has created such wealth (even our poor experience a higher level of living than the rest of the worlds poor; hence the reason they all want to come here), people who are born poor here don't have to remain as such; unlike many other nations.

    The biggest problem with our system is the over abundance of attorneys in public office. For some reason, we've given up on the idea of a normal citizen representing his fellow American by holding an office for a short period of time and keeping Americas best interest at heart. We now have representation that only thinks of themselves and views Americans as "the little people", while they give themselves more power and wealth.

    The strange part of this philosophy is that it is the American public who really holds the power and if we were to realize that power the poor politician would loose their power. I believe this to be the real reason that Democrats and Republicans keep us divided during elections. Think about it, once in office, they all behave pretty much the same (the Republicans were just as big on spending prior to loosing the house and senate in 2006) and pass laws that really only benefit themselves as they fill their pockets.

    I don't believe we need a new Declaration of Independence or Constitution, I do believe we as Americans should stop being so apathetic and allowing the government more and more power. I also believe that we do need an amendment to the Constitution, requiring that any laws passed on the American public MUST also apply to each member of Congress. They should never be allowed to vote themselves a salary increase and there should be no government retirement plan for them; effectively forcing term limits.
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  • Mr. Stark 2012/07/06 19:47:39
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Mr. Stark
    Our constitution is a living document, meaning that it can be changed to resolve issues and reverted back once those issues are resolved in order to maintain liberty, and freedom. There's no need to re-write the constitution, it is, for all intents and purposes, a document which created a perfect union. We need only live by it to see such perfection.
  • DMC4196 Mr. Stark 2012/07/06 20:28:27 (edited)
    DMC4196
    +2
    Those who push this idea of replacing these sacred documents are fearful that America will one day wake up and take their power away. After all, even with them taking control of more and more, with our current system, we hold the power and many of them don't like it. ( "Those/Them/Their" being bureaucrats and "Us/We" being "We The People".)
  • DUGGINS 2012/07/06 19:03:41 (edited)
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    DUGGINS
    +1
    The only people that want to change the Constitution are those that have a problem with certain amendmnets like the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 10th and few others. There isn't a politician in the last 50 or 60 years that had the foresight the signers of this magnificent piece of legislation had. The Constitution has been under attack for quite a while by forces that want to control the way Americans, pray, work, live and any other way Americans act out their lives on a daily basis. The main dissenters are liberals aka communists.

    Any attempts to alter the Constitution will be met with show of force that will amaze the anarchists, our forefathers banded together against overwhelming forces to gain our Freedom and Liberty from the British King and if need be we will do it again to preserve what our founders fought and died for. 87% of the people on this forum say "NO" so you would be destroyers of our Liberties better beware of a opponent you have never witnessed before.
  • The Gipper~PWCM~JLA 2012/07/06 18:48:46
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    The Gipper~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    We'd be a lot better off if we'd just followed the original for the last couple decades!
  • DMC4196 The Gip... 2012/07/06 20:41:20
    DMC4196
    +1
    AMEN to that! That is the simplest and shortest way to state the truth.
  • Jack Sprat 2012/07/06 18:20:30
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    Jack Sprat
    +3
    Hell no, use the one we have correctly.

    "We, the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution." Abraham Lincoln


    masters congress courts overthrow constitution overthrow pervert constitution abraham lincoln

    obama destroying the constitution
  • shenendoah 2012/07/06 17:52:23
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    shenendoah
    +1
    Damn, snell, what's the point? Raved you anyway...see you on next blog.
  • snell/G... shenendoah 2012/07/11 06:37:52
    snell/GOD & COUNTRY-zero cliques
    +2
    I don't think ANYthing needs to be changed personally - Washington DC just needs a thorough House cleaning - top to bottom, bug spray and all. I just report - YOU decide.
    (....hope i don't get sued for stealing someone's line there - lol)....
  • shenendoah snell/G... 2012/07/11 07:32:08
    shenendoah
    LOL
  • newhon63 2012/07/06 17:28:36
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    newhon63
    +1
    There is nothing wrong with the one that was written. The problem is with the Officials following it without doing their best to twist the words and the meaning our forefathers intended.

    Besides, do any of you honestly really want the liars, scoundrels, and thieves that are in Wasington to rewrite a Constitution for us? You think they are self serving now. Let them write a document that we have to make laws from
  • DMC4196 newhon63 2012/07/06 20:44:24
    DMC4196
    +1
    Besides, they wouldn't know what was in it until they passed it anyway. Then we'd really be screwed!
  • Sherlock Dog BL - a Gazillion 2012/07/06 17:05:01
  • hgababu 2012/07/06 16:25:49
    NO! What's wrong with the Ones Our Forefathers Created?
    hgababu
    +1
    DAMN LIBERALS
  • Jane hgababu 2012/07/13 12:34:23
    Jane
    You are to young to allow yourself to be brainwashed in one direction. Broaden your horizons. If you only listen to one side telling you what the other side believes than you are under educated.
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