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Let’s
start with a shocking, but true premise: If you are a patriotic
American, you believe that there are circumstances under which it is
right to take up arms against your own government. That statement feels
wrong to me. It reeks of militia and McVeigh and toothless loons holed
up with guns in cabins in order to avoid paying income taxes.
But the fact remains that the rationale for the existence of the
nation known as the United States of America, which first appeared in
print 236 years ago today, is entirely dependent on the premise that
there are indeed times “…when in the Course of human events, it becomes
necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have
connected them with another…” and that such times may require the first
group of people to “…mutually pledge to each other [their] Lives,
[their] Fortunes and [their] sacred Honor.” And that having dissolved
those political bands with another people, the newly liberated people
(“…and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy
War…”) may, among other things, protect themselves from a tyrannical
power which engages in “…a long train of abuses and usurpations,
pursuing invariably the same Object [which] evinces a design to reduce
them under absolute Despotism…”
This is the argument presented to the world by Adams, Jefferson, and
Franklin. It was adopted and approved by the Continental Congress. It
has been graphically represented in the Great Seal of the United States
and it is treated as the origin of the American Republic not just in the
Declaration of Independence itself, but also in the Constitution.
In other words the Constitution was signed in the fall of 1787, which
was during the 12th year of the United States, which places the event
which initiated the Republic sometime before September 1776. Is there
any other event, save the Declaration, which would fit the historical
bill? Of course not. And just in case any would argue, as Bork tried to
in our debate, that this is simply a matter of a date to which no
significance can be attributed, I would point out that the Great Seal of
the United States, which was the result of several years of
deliberation, labels the foundation (it is a literal architectural
foundation at the base of a pyramid) with the Roman numerals for the
year 1776. In short, the Declaration and the principles on which it is
based are the foundational ideas of our Republic. One can deny their
truth, but one cannot deny their legal authority.
This implies something very important: No governmental official can
deny the right of the people to dissolve the political bands which tie
them to a tyrannical government without at the same time denying the
Declaration and, by extension, the Constitution on which his own power
is based. If he says, “The Declaration no longer applies; you must obey
my authority no matter what.” We can rightly reply, “If the Declaration
no longer applies, then the government of which you are a part no longer
possesses legitimacy; which means you have no authority in the first
place and therefore have no right to demand that we obey.”
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Today, politicians pale in comparison, & appear to be somewhat of a circus-running back & forth on every issue, & campaign promise from '08.
We need true patriots NOW, but in keeping with our Declaration of Independance, & Constitution.
Excerpt from President Roosevelt's January 11, 1944 message to the Congress of the United States on the State of the Union
It is our duty now to begin to lay the plans and determine the strategy for the winning of a lasting peace and the establishment of an American standard of living higher than ever before known. We cannot be content, no matter how high that general standard of living may be, if some fraction of our people—whether it be one-third or one-fifth or one-tenth—is ill-fed, ill-clothed, ill-housed, and insecure.
This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights—among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty.
As our nation has grown in size and stature, however—as our industrial economy expanded—these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness.
We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. “Necessitous men ar...
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Excerpt from President Roosevelt's January 11, 1944 message to the Congress of the United States on the State of the Union
It is our duty now to begin to lay the plans and determine the strategy for the winning of a lasting peace and the establishment of an American standard of living higher than ever before known. We cannot be content, no matter how high that general standard of living may be, if some fraction of our people—whether it be one-third or one-fifth or one-tenth—is ill-fed, ill-clothed, ill-housed, and insecure.
This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights—among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty.
As our nation has grown in size and stature, however—as our industrial economy expanded—these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness.
We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. “Necessitous men are not free men.” People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.
In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.
Among these are:
The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;
The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
The right of every family to a decent home;
The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
The right to a good education.
All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.
America’s own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for our citizens.
Jefferson felt our or any constitution should be burned every 20 years so that our Children and Grandchildren will not be bound by our mistake's ignorance’s bigotry s and the fact that we may be wrong.(I paraphrase) Our Constitution has served us well but its time to make it work for all Americans unlike when it was written the only free man were the one who owned land if you did not (own land) you could not vote so the founder great men all, but they could never have imagined the complexity of our modern society.
He (Jefferson) said the constitution is a contract with the living, not the dead.
Jefferson thought the dead should not rule the living, thus constitutions should expire frequently, but the fact is that the U.S. Constitution quickly became enshrined by the public and is the oldest constitution in the world,” said Zachary Elkins, a professor of political science at Illinois.
Here is the quote, this combined with the rebellion every 20 years quote makes his views pretty clear.
"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."
T. Jefferson
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Source:
The Public Papers & Addresses of Franklin D. Roosevelt (Samuel Rosenman, ed.), Vol XIII (NY: Harper, 1950), 40-42
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Second, a person's rights cannot and should not come from government, which is what you are espousing. The role of government is to ensure that all persons have equal opportunity, not outcome, and that all are free to choose a path in life that they deem best for themselves as individuals. True freedom comes from the ability to pursue an individual course of action without government intrusion or interference impeding that action. Economic security cannot be guaranteed by government, but rather by individuals themselves.
The moment government confers rights on an individual is the moment that the individual becomes a slave to the very body that has conferred those rights.
The biggest problem with our system is the over abundance of attorneys in public office. For some reason, we've given up on the idea of a normal citizen representing his fellow American by holding an office for a short period of time and keeping Americas best interest at heart. We now have representation that only thinks of themselves and views Americans as "the little people", while they give themselves more power and wealth.
The strange part of this philosophy is that it is the American public who really holds the power and if we were to realize that power the poor politician would loose their power. I believe this to be the real reason that Democrats and Republicans keep us divided during elections. Think about it, once in office, they all behave pretty much the same (the Republicans were just as big on spending prior to loosing the house and senate in 2006) and pass laws that really only benefit themselves as...
The biggest problem with our system is the over abundance of attorneys in public office. For some reason, we've given up on the idea of a normal citizen representing his fellow American by holding an office for a short period of time and keeping Americas best interest at heart. We now have representation that only thinks of themselves and views Americans as "the little people", while they give themselves more power and wealth.
The strange part of this philosophy is that it is the American public who really holds the power and if we were to realize that power the poor politician would loose their power. I believe this to be the real reason that Democrats and Republicans keep us divided during elections. Think about it, once in office, they all behave pretty much the same (the Republicans were just as big on spending prior to loosing the house and senate in 2006) and pass laws that really only benefit themselves as they fill their pockets.
I don't believe we need a new Declaration of Independence or Constitution, I do believe we as Americans should stop being so apathetic and allowing the government more and more power. I also believe that we do need an amendment to the Constitution, requiring that any laws passed on the American public MUST also apply to each member of Congress. They should never be allowed to vote themselves a salary increase and there should be no government retirement plan for them; effectively forcing term limits.
Any attempts to alter the Constitution will be met with show of force that will amaze the anarchists, our forefathers banded together against overwhelming forces to gain our Freedom and Liberty from the British King and if need be we will do it again to preserve what our founders fought and died for. 87% of the people on this forum say "NO" so you would be destroyers of our Liberties better beware of a opponent you have never witnessed before.
"We, the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution." Abraham Lincoln
(....hope i don't get sued for stealing someone's line there - lol)....
Besides, do any of you honestly really want the liars, scoundrels, and thieves that are in Wasington to rewrite a Constitution for us? You think they are self serving now. Let them write a document that we have to make laws from