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Is it the church or the man...... many have issues with the vile anti american veiws of mr. wright. A new pastor has taken over. Obama agrees wwith the views of the church.. but not the man..If that is the case. Is Obama racist.. lets look

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CHICAGO — The new pastor of Barack Obama’s church delivered a defiant defense of its retiring reverend Sunday, comparing media coverage of Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. to a modern-day lynching that resembles Jesus’ death at the hands of the Romans.
In a sunrise Easter sermon, Rev. Otis Moss III never mentioned Wright by name, but implied that his mentor, who has delivered sermons in which he likened the U.S. to the Ku Klux Klan and declared it damned for its “state-sponsored terrorism,” is facing the same challenges Jesus did.”No one should start a ministry with lynching, no one should end their ministry with lynching,” Moss said.
“The lynching was national news. The RNN, the Roman News Network, was reporting it and NPR, National Publican Radio had it on the radio. The Jerusalem Post and the Palestine Times all wanted exclusives, they searched out the young ministers, showed up unannounced at their houses, tried to talk with their families, called up their friends, wanted to get a quote on how do you feel about the lynching?” he continued.
The criticism surrounding Wright has not softened the services at Trinity United Church of Christ, where Obama has been a congregant for 20 years. Instead, Moss defiantly defended their method of worship, referencing rap lyrics to make his point.”If I was Ice Cube I’d say it a little differently — ‘You picked the wrong folk to mess with,’” Moss said to an enthusiastic congregation, standing up during much of the sermon, titled “How to Handle a Public Lynching.”
Wright’s sermons were criticized for casting the country as institutionally racist and Obama sharply condemned Wright’s remarks as racially divisive in a high-profile speech Tuesday, though the candidate would not renounce the pastor himself. Church officials said Wright, who is now on sabbatical and entering retirement after nearly 40 years of service with the church, was not attending any service Sunday.
Obama and his family were spending Easter on vacation and also were not attending services.
Though the church recently moved a once-prominent section on its Web site about the “Black Value System,” the congregation still describes itself as “unashamedly black and unapologetically Christian.” A plaque states this prominently behind the front desk.
The sermons Sunday, which kept references to Wright as a common thread, implied that the firestorm over Wright’s remarks has taken the church’s teachings out of context.
Bishop Vashti Murphy McKenzie, the first female bishop in the AME Church, also delivered a sermon, in which she talked about visionaries like King and Gandhi and “Jeremiah” (it was unclear whether she meant Wright), and argued that their words weren’t about “anger,” but about “a passion that demands confrontation.”
“The purveyors of information are trying to be judge and jury over prophetic utterances,” she said.
The church program handed out Sunday also included an essay called “Not on My Watch” from the Rev. Samuel B. McKinney of Mount Zion Baptist Church in Seattle. McKinney said he was “greatly disturbed” by the “media feeding frenzy that has tarnished everyone in the process.”
“Dr. Wright represents the best among us … An attack on this man of God is an attack on all those of the cloth who believe in the social Gospel of liberation. And I will not stand for it,” he wrote.
Moss issued several pleas to congregants to donate to what he called the “Resurrection Fund,” stressing that during this time of battle, money is needed to defend the church. He offered no additional specifics about the fund, telling churchgoers he didn’t want to get into it because Trinity is streaming the service live on the Web and the services are available for purchase on DVD.
He concluded with another analogy, saying, “In order to crucify him you’ve got to lift him up … he had more visibility on the cross than he did during his entire ministry.”

Ok. now with that. lets look at the about us part of his church

"We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community."
They took this part down... But i still have it. you can google it if you think I'm lying.

"Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:

Commitment to God Commitment to the Black Community Commitment to the Black Family Dedication to the Pursuit of Education Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence Adherence to the Black Work Ethic Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness" Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System. The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

A congregation committed to ADORATION. A congregation preaching SALVATION. A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION. A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA. A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION. A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION. A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA. A congregation committed to LIBERATION. A congregation committed to RESTORATION. A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY"

now for fun. change the word black to the word white and read again. does that sound racist to you?
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  • Sam 2008/03/24 21:31:30
    Yes
    Sam
    +3
    The reference to "We are an African People" and remain true to our native land galls me. These people are no more African then I am a true Italian. I was born here 2nd generation. My native land Is the USA. These folks were not born in Africa and will probably never visit it either. They where born here and it has probably been gererations since any of their family can be traced to Africa, if ever. Slavery was abolished over a hundred years ago so they have never been slaves either. Time to face facts. We are all American and this is our native land if we were born here. If we all become seperatist than we could all have are own little colonies or districts and become just like a lot of third world countries that keep their people apart.

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  • Sandy 2008/04/10 03:14:37
    Yes
    Sandy
    If Obama didn't agree with the Rev. Wright, he would not have stayed in that church for 20 years! You can't tell me he didn't know what Wright was all about!
  • Live Free Or Die 2008/04/08 19:35:04 (edited)
    Yes
    Live Free Or Die
    +1
    Meant to vote: Undecided.

    I don't agree with all of the church, but African-American pride and knowing your roots is fine by me. now as far as the pastor, i have listened to more sermons (but I don't have the complete picture), but in one it was very deep, brought me to tears - just him talking about developing a personal relationship with God and asking us to think about the innocent people who have been hurt by US bombs and weapons, to just consider them, because it's not only our enemies, the terrorists, who are dying, but our men and civilians in their country. I felt moved to tears as I said and did not see this as racist. Thanks.
  • Shylee Live Fr... 2008/04/08 19:52:43
    Shylee
    jamie,your a flip floper,i guess your unpatriotic,how pathetic,
  • Live Fr... Shylee 2008/04/08 19:57:18
    Live Free Or Die
    +1
    i'm not a flip flopper, i've been listening to different speeches from this guy - and some of it's true! It seems like Americans don't know about the things going on overseas like they should - and that's wrong to me. If I'm unpatriotic in saying so, then so be it.
  • Live Fr... Live Fr... 2008/04/08 19:59:23
    Live Free Or Die
    and another thing.........if Bush lied, then why do so many people 100,000 civilians killed over there, over a million with lost limbs and so forth - babies being burned. Now, if I'm unpatriotic, then so be it, like I said. If something's wrong, then I feel a need to speak out.
  • Live Fr... Live Fr... 2008/04/08 20:11:13 (edited)
    Live Free Or Die
    and I'm done with these damn polls; just because I agree with the pastor about the war, doesn't mean I agree with him about everything - or his cronies.
  • Carol Nobama 2008/04/06 08:50:18 (edited)
    Yes
    Carol Nobama
    I know of no other United Church of Christ with those values. A church is a house of God. Obama's "church" has a pastor who is a racist. He does not belong in a church or anywhere else. Since Obama stood by him in that "church" that would make him a racist too. Why would anyone belong to a church that preaches hate?
  • granny1944 2008/04/05 16:39:16
    No
    granny1944
    What does God has to do with how white people treat or think of black people and the fact they think that they are better becauce of the color of their skin? I do not see this in the bible, it is there please someone send me an email.
  • Roxie 2008/03/29 14:11:19
    Yes
    Roxie
    +1
    It sure looks that way and if a white preacher had said this WOW would he be in the craper.
  • fll 2008/03/24 23:24:03
    No
    fll
    Senator Obama is not a racist but he is a very clever, ambitious, cynical, opportunistic politician who used his church, pastor as his political base to get electd to the US Senate, and become a candidate for the democratic presidential nomination. Unable to cut off his ties to them, after the reverend's true colors came out, he deftly and adroitly changed the anti-American hatred, and lack of or faulty judgment to race, hence the speech to challenge America on the race issue! I must admit it seems to have worked to his advantage, to my surprise! I thought he was finished as a candidate for the dem nomination having displayed such bad judgment....for a potential Commander in Chief!!!
  • mentonemommyisgoingtofacebook 2008/03/24 21:35:04
    No
    mentonemommyisgoingtofacebook
    +1
    This is getting so old-let it go already. Everyone knows about it and most are ready-and have been ready-to move on. Obama is not a racist any more than you all are by bringing this up over and over again. All you are doing is proving Mr. Wright correct in his theories.
  • Sam 2008/03/24 21:31:30
    Yes
    Sam
    +3
    The reference to "We are an African People" and remain true to our native land galls me. These people are no more African then I am a true Italian. I was born here 2nd generation. My native land Is the USA. These folks were not born in Africa and will probably never visit it either. They where born here and it has probably been gererations since any of their family can be traced to Africa, if ever. Slavery was abolished over a hundred years ago so they have never been slaves either. Time to face facts. We are all American and this is our native land if we were born here. If we all become seperatist than we could all have are own little colonies or districts and become just like a lot of third world countries that keep their people apart.
  • fluer 2008/03/24 21:14:18
    Yes
    fluer
    +2
    Racism is racism no matter if it is white on black or blck on white. This is still promoting racial division not equality. Judgement is not the place of humans judgement is God's work and they are judging even if they do not see it.
  • Dogg ~ ... fluer 2008/03/24 21:16:02
    Dogg ~ Ready for war
    +2
    as much as I'm against the whole God angle. I will give ya props, your right.
  • fluer Dogg ~ ... 2008/03/24 21:25:59
    fluer
    +2
    dogg I am so tired of all this race stuff. I grew up in Alabama during the time of George Wallace and one thing I do not want is to see that era again and we are right at that door. But this church is preaching diversity not equality and that is not their place. I do not hate Blacks God knows I would vote for a Colin Powell and sleep well knowing a competent man was in charge I could vote for Hillary and feel fine knowing a competent woman was in charge color is not what it is about. To me Obama is just as 100% always right at George Bush with his superior judgement. Let me ask you what sort of parent would take their small children to a church where this sort of racism and hate is spoken. That breeds another generation of hate. Judgement like that is worse to me than Hillary voting for the Iraq war when the idea of a mushroom cloud was not so foreign to the people who voted for her in New York. The president had approval ratings in the 80's and the consensus of the American people was for going to get those who got us. Yet her judgement to vote the will of the people who voted her there is flawed and Obama takes his tiny kids to hear this sort of hate and that is not considered poor judgement? I will vote for McCain before I will vote for Obama that is how much I trust his jud...''
    dogg I am so tired of all this race stuff. I grew up in Alabama during the time of George Wallace and one thing I do not want is to see that era again and we are right at that door. But this church is preaching diversity not equality and that is not their place. I do not hate Blacks God knows I would vote for a Colin Powell and sleep well knowing a competent man was in charge I could vote for Hillary and feel fine knowing a competent woman was in charge color is not what it is about. To me Obama is just as 100% always right at George Bush with his superior judgement. Let me ask you what sort of parent would take their small children to a church where this sort of racism and hate is spoken. That breeds another generation of hate. Judgement like that is worse to me than Hillary voting for the Iraq war when the idea of a mushroom cloud was not so foreign to the people who voted for her in New York. The president had approval ratings in the 80's and the consensus of the American people was for going to get those who got us. Yet her judgement to vote the will of the people who voted her there is flawed and Obama takes his tiny kids to hear this sort of hate and that is not considered poor judgement? I will vote for McCain before I will vote for Obama that is how much I trust his judgement. I am an American before I am a democrat and this country needs someone who can lead not a racist arrogant george bush who is black. Sorry I can't vote for this black man even though I could vote for Powell. I am just not capable of handing this country over to someone I don't trust to take care of it.
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  • ~BINK~ 2008/03/24 20:47:45
    Yes
    ~BINK~
    +2
    i would have no problem with a white church embracing a heritage that they lost.

    i don't see that being racist! if you want to tech your children your root and the things that you valued. i would want my children to grow and know their african american roots and to take pride in being black.
  • Dogg ~ ... ~BINK~ 2008/03/24 20:49:17
    Dogg ~ Ready for war
    +1
    do you know your roots? truely?
  • ~BINK~ Dogg ~ ... 2008/03/24 20:58:59
    ~BINK~
    +2
    no if i had the chance to i would. it a good thing for blacks to know but were not educated about that
  • Dogg ~ ... ~BINK~ 2008/03/24 21:04:29
    Dogg ~ Ready for war
    I agree it be great to know. And if there was a way to find out, I be all for it. but the sad fact is, most don't know their roots. or which tribes sold who to who. Now since most blacks don't know their roots. But know how they over came what went down here in america. could they just be american, with out all the hate? a forest is started not by a bunch of trees, but by one seed. a single act, person. and so is a forest fire. it isn't started by a bunch of fires. but by one spark, one match, one flame. so do we create or destory. It is this thought that I think black america would do well thinking of.
  • ~BINK~ Dogg ~ ... 2008/03/25 03:22:26
    ~BINK~
    +1
    last week a little white boy spit on my nephew and called him a nigger. my nephew is 5 he dont know what that means so why does the other baby know what it means? it is the way children ar teached.


    the thing about this church:

    congregation committed to ADORATION. A congregation preaching SALVATION. A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION. A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA. A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION. A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION. A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA. A congregation committed to LIBERATION. A congregation committed to RESTORATION. A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY"



    Why is that such a bad thing for black to want to inprove their community and to teach our black children to respect eachother and educate themselves?
  • Dogg ~ ... ~BINK~ 2008/03/25 12:02:57
    Dogg ~ Ready for war
    +1
    those words be great if you were african. and lived in africa. but you not. your american, you live in america. we were the country that ended slavery. blacks shoud have a commitment to america. And do you know what RECONCILIATION means? allow me:
    Reconciliation means to overcome the distrust or animos-ity’, ‘to appease’, ‘to regain or to try to regain a friendship orgoodwill by pleasant behaviour’, ‘to make or to attempt tomake compatible

    as a conflict handling mechanism entails the following core elements:

    a) Honest acknowledgment of the harm/injury each party has inflicted on the other;

    b) Sincere regrets and remorse for the injury done:

    c) Readiness to apologize for one’s role in inflicting the injury;

    d) Readiness of the conflicting parties to ‘let go’ of the anger and bitterness caused by the conflict and the injury;

    e) Commitment by the offender not to repeat the injury;

    f) Sincere effort to redress past grievances that caused the conflict and compensate the damage caused to the extent possible;

    g) Entering into a new mutually enriching relationship.

    now do you still feel this church even knows the words it say. do you think Obama knows?
  • ~BINK~ Dogg ~ ... 2008/03/25 13:16:50
    ~BINK~
    +1
    well why do you feel we should have a commitment to America?Our ancestors didn't just come on their own will, they were forced. Im over that but iv been committed to America all my life and if i want to learn about my roots, why cant i? its not against the law. people are so ready to jump on Obama for another mans words, but they wont admit that they have said much worse thing about other races.

    i know what reconciliation means. but you mean to tell me its not a good thing to preach it in our churches, hell thats something we need to preach to our children. maybe then there wont be so much violence in our schools and on the streets.


    Now i think Obama knows what that means and i do to.

    i have said this once and its true. Until you have walked in someones shoes you don't know what their life is like.
  • Sam ~BINK~ 2008/03/25 14:19:24
    Sam
    +1
    You for sure should be proud to learn of you ancestors, their culture and all other thing about them just as I am about mine, but that is not what that church is teaching. Slaves were not just brought here by white people, there were also many black slave traders amongst others, but this country has put and end to that. We have made huge strides. Again though, just as I love my Italian heritage I am an American first and this is my native country. This is my country first and foremost. That is how it should be. I have never heard one of my many black friend spew the hatred I heard from this shameful man. If you have children they will grow up in the greatest country in the world, and hopefully it will be even better for them.
  • ~BINK~ Sam 2008/03/25 14:30:53
    ~BINK~
    +2
    i have been an American first all my life ( that wont change) but it still wont hurt for me to know my roots. im not going to judge that man cause i have not heard everything he has said just those clippings, so i don't have anything to say about that.Neither you nor i have been to that church everytime the man has preached so we have no right to judge him. if the black community could teach what the church teaches not the mans words(i don't care for what he has to say) but if black could teach our children to love and respect each other then it would go along way.i want to teach my child ADORATION, SALVATION, RECONCILIATION ,BIBLICAL EDUCATION, CULTURAL EDUCATION, and the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA. i find nothing wrong with that. i respect your opinion but i don't agree with it all.

    slaves were brought here by white people and later there were black slave owners(African American history in college).
  • Lykos 2008/03/24 20:14:06
  • Headhunter 13 2008/03/24 19:49:46
    Yes
    Headhunter 13
    +2
    it is leaning that way. I noticed the took God and Jesus out of their 10 point Visions. so let's just tak ethe 1st point and who do the adore fill in the space with your choice or Revernd Wright or Obama? There needs to be an object of adoration
  • MadHatter 2008/03/24 19:40:51
  • Headhun... MadHatter 2008/03/24 19:47:33
    Headhunter 13
    +4
    I would love to see an intelligent black man become president . Is Obama dropping out to let some else run.
  • Dogg ~ ... Headhun... 2008/03/24 19:56:00
    Dogg ~ Ready for war
    hear hear. alan keys is a good choice
  • Headhun... Dogg ~ ... 2008/03/24 20:03:22
    Headhunter 13
    +4
    Alan Keyes is Bush in black face. I was think more along the lines of Colin Powell.
  • Roxie Dogg ~ ... 2008/03/29 14:15:37
    Roxie
    Alan Keys.. he is also racist.
  • Dogg ~ ... MadHatter 2008/03/24 19:57:24
    Dogg ~ Ready for war
    +1
    if he was black maybe. But obama is arab. and calling this man intelligent is true pushing it.
  • Headhun... Dogg ~ ... 2008/03/24 20:02:03 (edited)
    Headhunter 13
    +1
    Dogg you know better than that BS. if you aren't from Saudi Arabia or you ancestors aren't then you are not Arab. Obama is of Kenyan descent with an arabic language name based from his father's religious beliefs.
  • Dogg ~ ... Headhun... 2008/03/24 20:03:57
    Dogg ~ Ready for war
    +2
    well if madhatter can spew b.s. on something that is clear racial, why can't i spew a little b.s about blood lines. I figured you make him arab, then the black white thing would be no good. but your right. I'm sorry hatter..... BUT HE IS RACIST
  • Headhun... Dogg ~ ... 2008/03/24 20:11:20
    Headhunter 13
    +2
    Madhatter is a blind loyalist of Bush Light. Even the truth in Obama's own words does not dissuade him for his views.
  • Dogg ~ ... Headhun... 2008/03/24 20:13:35
    Dogg ~ Ready for war
    +3
    then he is a fool. who's action shall break this nation. along with anyone who supports this man.

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