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California Democrats want to increase the number of parents a child can have. SB 1476 would allow a child to have more than two parents at the same time in order to accommodate same-sex parents, surrogates, assisted reproduction, and other non-traditional parental relationships.

SacBee.com reports: Mom and Dad, same-sex couples or blended families, California law is clear: No more than two legal parents per child. State Sen. Mark Leno is pushing legislation to allow a child to have multiple parents.

"The bill brings California into the 21st century, recognizing that there are more than Ozzie and Harriet families today," Leno said. But some disagree. "It comes as no surprise that he would try to say that a child has more than two parents – that's absurd," said Benjamin Lopez, a legislative analyst for Traditional Values Coalition, a Bible-based civil rights group.

SacBee points out potential problems and complexities caused by SB 1476:
Tax deductions, citizenship, probate, public assistance, school notifications and Social Security rights all can be affected by determinations of parenthood, notes the Association of Certified Family Law Specialists.

Examples of three-parent relationships that could be affected by SB 1476 include: 1) A family in which a man began dating a woman while she was pregnant, then raised that child with her for seven years. The youth also had a parental relationship with the biological father. 2) A same-sex couple who asked a close male friend to help them conceive, then decided that all three would raise the child. 3) A divorce in which a woman and her second husband were the legal parents of a child, but the biological father maintained close ties as well. How do you feel about the proposed bill?

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  • Boetica Margare... 2012/07/06 04:35:09
    Boetica
    Oh sure.
  • Mary Ann 2012/07/05 19:59:46
    No
    Mary Ann
    +4
    No for legal purposes......but a solid extended family does not need the government to make a family work.
  • acacia86 Mary Ann 2012/07/05 21:18:10
    acacia86
    except in regard to school functions, emergency medical proceedures, ect. If both biological (or primary) parents are out of country on business, child is home with step-parent or other legal guardian, falls down the stairs, lands awkwardly on a solid object and needs surgery to repair an internal injury, the adult should have the full legal ability to consent to it in case bio parents cannot be reached.
  • Boetica acacia86 2012/07/06 04:35:57
    Boetica
    There are forms for that. This law is unnecessary and is meant to accomodate the gay lifestyle.
  • acacia86 Boetica 2012/07/06 06:18:07
    acacia86
    Oh wow, forms. A child's bleeding to death but let's check the paper work.

    Are you sure it isn't just your prejudice blinding you to other possibilities?

    Legally, the only next of kin to make medical decisions for me (even though i'm over 20 yrs old) without a power of attourney document are my parents. Well, my father's deceased and my mother believes little green men from Saturn are going to give her a new uterus and also that the squirrels are plotting to steal her eyes. So if I didn't spend the lawyer fee to name two power of attourney I'd be screwed in an emergency.

    This sort of law could also be made to extend to next of kin rights to other immediate relatives, aunts, uncles, ect, which would keep the cost of getting a P of A document in the pocket of people in my situation rather than a lawyer's.
  • Mary Ann acacia86 2012/07/07 20:10:02
    Mary Ann
    or leave a parental consent form - I do it (legally) all the time when I travel
  • acacia86 Mary Ann 2012/07/09 01:32:38
    acacia86
    Glad to k now you take that precaution. Not everyone does. They just think, 'oh it won't happen to us'.
  • JJ 2012/07/05 19:42:32 (edited)
    No
    JJ
    +4
    The normal way to do things is to have...one mother, one father, grandparents from both mother and father, couzins, etc...this is called a family. The other way is called, SICK!
  • Amy 2012/07/05 19:31:07
    Yes
    Amy
    Did anyone actually read the conditions? Those are perfectly fine. It just legally makes room for the adults in the child's life whom are already considered parents. It basically says that a kid can have a biological mother, a biological father, and legally recognized step-parents. That's not absurd at all.
  • Mary Ann Amy 2012/07/05 19:58:41
    Mary Ann
    +1
    Yes and they point out some significant pit falls such as:

    Tax deductions, citizenship, probate, public assistance, school notifications and Social Security rights all can be affected by determinations of parenthood, notes the Association of Certified Family Law Specialists.

    And then with this:

    1) A family in which a man began dating a woman while she was pregnant, then raised that child with her for seven years.

    So based on this, when this man leaves after 7 years, he's stuck paying child support or if he's luckiy spliting it with the biolgical.
  • gaylehelen Amy 2012/07/05 20:17:47
    gaylehelen
    +1
    And what about when yet another divorce occurs, more stepfathers, ex-stepfathers, etc.? Let's face it, in today's world and with the divorce rate what it is, it's just a matter of time. More legalities means more government. Is that what you really want? Not me!
  • shaltov72 Amy 2012/07/05 22:46:29
    shaltov72
    +1
    That is very true but why do you need the government to have their faulty ways always in the citizens business??????
  • FatherL... Amy 2012/07/05 23:10:26
    FatherLiberty
    You cant consider someone a parent. They either are or are not. Parent is defined by the biological connection to the child. DEFINE PARENT: 1. one that begets or brings forth offspring. 2. the material or source from which something is derived. 3. Biology. any organism that produces or generates another.

    A parent by definition is the biological creator of the child. The mother is the one whose egg was fertilized by the sperm. The father is the one who provided the sperm. PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!! Anyone else is simply a GUARDIAN or STEP-parent. Unless a woman had two (or more) dicks shoved in her pussy and both men spewed their load at the same time, simultaneously fertilizing the egg with one sperm from each man, then there CAN NOT be more then two parents. Show me the DNA results proving that more then 1 man's DNA can be found in the childs genetic makeup.
  • Boetica FatherL... 2012/07/06 04:38:26
    Boetica
    Well, sexual deviants have almost changed the definition of marriage, so this certainly is the next step.
  • acacia86 FatherL... 2012/07/06 06:03:38 (edited)
    acacia86
    which is, in my opinion, BS. I brought that up at my Dad's Eulogy actually. That the definition of 'parent' is one term where Webster FAILS to convey what a parent actually is. Since it was my dad, I focused mainly on 'father'. The best definiton for a father that I found was in a poem:

    A Dad is a person
    who is loving and kind,
    And often he knows
    what you have on your mind.
    He's someone who listens,
    suggests, and defends.
    A dad can be one
    of your very best friends!
    He's proud of your triumphs,
    but when things go wrong,
    A dad can be patient
    and helpful and strong
    In all that you do,
    a dad's love plays a part.
    There's always a place for him
    deep in your heart.
    And each year that passes,
    you're even more glad,
    More grateful and proud
    just to call him your dad!
    Thank you, Dad...
    for listening and caring,
    for giving and sharing,


    The last line says "But most of all for being you!"

    And that is the TRUE definition of a father. I'm sorry but any man can spew out genetic material and claim paternal rights. Doesn't make him a Dad, it just makes him successfully fertile. A parent's duties only START with genetic connection, what happens after is what truly defines if one is a parent or not.
  • FatherL... acacia86 2012/07/06 15:29:32
    FatherLiberty
    That can also be a friend, mother, or a rapist trying to gain access by getting the child to trust him. You are not going to convince me what a word means by posting a poem. Sorry, but nothing says the person who wrote that poem is correct. But, we are talking about the definition of "parent", not "dad". I track terms back to their origin and trace the context of the terms in use throughout history. People can think words change over time by how they use them, but they dont change in the context of application to law, specifically international commerical code. For example, most people call another person in their car a "passenger", but never realize that they have just legally bound themselves into UCC commerical code by admitting involvement in commerce. "Passenger" is someone transporter for hire, thus the transporter (driver) is required to obtain a permit or license as one would need operating a business.
  • acacia86 FatherL... 2012/07/06 17:05:20 (edited)
    acacia86
    The poem simply states the qualities necessary of a parent. And of course you're going to bring rape into this due to your narrow-mindedness. All I'm saying is a man who shoots, leaves, impregnant a woman and has nothing to do with the child or the pregnancy should not have legal rights to that child, nor ever able to gain those rights, the people who help the woman through her pregnancy and provide child care when she's at work, or come over to help out during the first year, or even move in to help out should have a legal say over that child's well being because they are the ones who actually care about the child. Same deal for a man who beats his pregnant wife, or a mother who poisons her child and fakes a serious childhood illness to gain sympathy and attention. She doesn't care about the child, only herself. She has a genetic bond though so her rights should trump all, that's how California law is currently written.

    My Dad's cousin in Cali went from being a bachlor, to a husband and step-father to being a grandfather in 1.5 years. His youngest step-daughter abandoned her son. She left him with my Dad's cousin and his wife, and took off across the boarder to Mexico. She returned four years later with another baby and a third on the way. You know the disgusting thing? Despi...



    The poem simply states the qualities necessary of a parent. And of course you're going to bring rape into this due to your narrow-mindedness. All I'm saying is a man who shoots, leaves, impregnant a woman and has nothing to do with the child or the pregnancy should not have legal rights to that child, nor ever able to gain those rights, the people who help the woman through her pregnancy and provide child care when she's at work, or come over to help out during the first year, or even move in to help out should have a legal say over that child's well being because they are the ones who actually care about the child. Same deal for a man who beats his pregnant wife, or a mother who poisons her child and fakes a serious childhood illness to gain sympathy and attention. She doesn't care about the child, only herself. She has a genetic bond though so her rights should trump all, that's how California law is currently written.

    My Dad's cousin in Cali went from being a bachlor, to a husband and step-father to being a grandfather in 1.5 years. His youngest step-daughter abandoned her son. She left him with my Dad's cousin and his wife, and took off across the boarder to Mexico. She returned four years later with another baby and a third on the way. You know the disgusting thing? Despite the fact that she horribly abused her first son, her rights trumped theirs and she was granted custody of all three of her sons. Now, my Dad's cousin worries himself sick every day wondering if his grandsons are alright because of how she is. She also put a restraining order on them citing parental interferrance and only because she is the birth mother. So they can't call, write, nothing to know how the boys are. How is that fair to the child or to the couple who spent four years raising him without reservation when it was fully unexpected?

    Best part: They wanted to adopt him, and they were told legally they weren't allowed to because there was no written consent from the birth mother. She ditched her 8 month old son and her rights were still that strong. That needs to be altered drastically, and this might be a good way to do it. Then instead of having to legally adopt him, his grandparents could've just said, "add us as additional legal guardians/parents for *child*" and she wouldn't have been able to pull the stunt she did.

    That being said I guess adoptive parents aren't parents by your defintion?
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  • FatherL... acacia86 2012/07/06 17:17:31 (edited)
    FatherLiberty
    To answer your question, no, they are not "parents". ONCE AGAIN, the definition of a PARENT is the one who created the child, provided the offspring, whether or not they are in the childs life. A FATHER or MOTHER, on the other hand, is someone who raises the child. Two different titles with different definitions. I dont care what you or someone else wants to 'believe' the word means. The accurate definition based on the historical context from which the word derived is that a parent is the provider of offspring that created the childs genetic code. So, no, a child can not have more then two parents, but, a child CAN have more then two mothers or fathers.
  • acacia86 FatherL... 2012/07/06 17:23:33 (edited)
    acacia86
    Thank you for admitting that a child can have more than two mothers or fathers, as your original post could've been taken to mean that they cannot.

    While I will conceed we all need the biological prospect to be here and the biological can never be altered, people never say, "I'm being raised by my adoptive mother and father" they say "I'm being raised by my adoptive parents".

    So saying that there is only one set of parents and only two people are the parents can be taken in more than one way.
  • Boetica Amy 2012/07/06 04:37:07
    Boetica
    It is an unnecessary law. The biological parents have rights over the child, and the step-parent should have none, unless there is an uninvolved biological parent.
  • GeorgeAMartini 2012/07/05 19:27:18
    No
    GeorgeAMartini
    +4
    For one, its physically impossible. Secondly, its idiotic. Why is it always the Democrats that come up with this crazy crap? Oh yeah, they're insane statists.
  • jon 2012/07/05 19:24:46
    No
    jon
    +2
    Just dumb
  • AdrianM... jon 2012/07/05 20:35:11
    AdrianMcTiernan
    +4
    Dumb is the new cool, perhaps?
  • jon AdrianM... 2012/07/05 23:00:08
    jon
    No the proposed law is dumb, to much complication. no forethought. for liberals these kind goofy laws/proposals are the norm.
  • kurtanderson1 2012/07/05 19:18:22
    No
    kurtanderson1
    +3
    I get the feeling lawmakers have a little too much time on their hands.....
  • gaylehelen kurtand... 2012/07/05 20:19:00
    gaylehelen
    +5
    No wonder California has such financial problems.
  • AdrianM... gaylehelen 2012/07/05 20:32:15
    AdrianMcTiernan
    +4
    Lawyers will love it - I wouldn't be surprised if they had a hand in trying to get this passed
  • AdrianM... kurtand... 2012/07/05 20:32:48 (edited)
    AdrianMcTiernan
    +4
    More like a lottle too much, if you ask me - I would need a mother and a father who love me and each other, and no-one else - it's too confusing - where is a child's love? - towards the parents, and there can't be more than two, even the biology tells us that. Frankenstein move over a bit
  • shaltov72 kurtand... 2012/07/05 22:48:32
    shaltov72
    +2
    You are so right, but you forgot to mention to much of our money, all liberals progressives are very good spending everyone elses money!
  • Alexander T Steward 2012/07/05 19:12:04
    No
    Alexander T Steward
    +1
    No. It'd be confusing for the child. What would they call their parents? Daddy, Daddy and Donnermommy?
  • acacia86 Alexand... 2012/07/05 19:16:20
    acacia86
    +1
    It isn't confusing, usually it's "Dad" "Dad *insert first name of non bio dad* and mom."

    source: I know a few people who have done the donor staying involved in child's life thing.
  • jon acacia86 2012/07/05 23:07:33
    jon
    The donor???
  • acacia86 jon 2012/07/06 05:58:59 (edited)
    acacia86
    'donor' meaning the third person involved in creating a child with a same-sex couple. Or even a heterosexual couple who are infertile. I think it's a good idea for them to have legal rights to the child. There's a way to do that currently, called 'God Parent', but somehow that just seems..... less than adequate.
  • jon acacia86 2012/07/06 15:04:55
    jon
    BURP !!!!!
  • acacia86 jon 2012/07/06 15:12:13
    acacia86
    +1
    Well thank you for pointing out and admitting your IQ level as well as your maturity.
  • jon acacia86 2012/07/06 15:33:32 (edited)
  • acacia86 jon 2012/07/06 16:11:53 (edited)
    acacia86
    I never once claimed I was exalted, great or complicated.They asked a question with limited knowledge, I provided an answer from experience. Simple as that.

    It's really no different than when people tell an asthmatic to go sit outside when they have trouble breathing. Being outside could expose them to allergens and make the attack worse, or if you're in my area today, the terribly air quality would do the trick, but people don't always think like that. They only think back to how they were raised and what works for them thinking it must apply to all. It doesn't. Every situation and every person is as unique as a snowflake.

    Edit: my mistake, I replied to this in a hurry and didn't realise the error in my typing. You didn't start this original piece of the thread, for that I apologize. However, calling me a coward because I didn't want any added stress to my life that particular day and was well aware you'd likely reply with a myriad of insults for my view not being the same as yours, I took a precaution and protected myself. Oh dear, how terrible of me. After all, I'm still recovering mentally from the only parent (yes PARENT not parents) that I've known dying after watching them waste away from illness for nearly 4 years, and now the only other family I have, a cat, is gravely...






    I never once claimed I was exalted, great or complicated.They asked a question with limited knowledge, I provided an answer from experience. Simple as that.

    It's really no different than when people tell an asthmatic to go sit outside when they have trouble breathing. Being outside could expose them to allergens and make the attack worse, or if you're in my area today, the terribly air quality would do the trick, but people don't always think like that. They only think back to how they were raised and what works for them thinking it must apply to all. It doesn't. Every situation and every person is as unique as a snowflake.

    Edit: my mistake, I replied to this in a hurry and didn't realise the error in my typing. You didn't start this original piece of the thread, for that I apologize. However, calling me a coward because I didn't want any added stress to my life that particular day and was well aware you'd likely reply with a myriad of insults for my view not being the same as yours, I took a precaution and protected myself. Oh dear, how terrible of me. After all, I'm still recovering mentally from the only parent (yes PARENT not parents) that I've known dying after watching them waste away from illness for nearly 4 years, and now the only other family I have, a cat, is gravely ill. So excuse me if I decide to block you until I'm mentally and emotionally prepared to deal with your cyber bullying attempts to pull wool over my eyes and view things as you view them. To quote my dad: I'm being crude here, but opinions are like butts. Everyone's got one. We don't always have to agree, as long as there's a degree of civility, it's all fine.

    Your response of "BURP!!!!!!" is a far cry from civil, blantly put, it's plain rude. Calling someone a coward because they're tired of your immaturity and your view of your opinion being the only possible view point simply because of your age, education level, ect speaks to your character, and not my own.

    Third, as an asthmatic perhaps I understand that analogy better than you. But let me put it in another way: Someone tells you to eat a banana. You say "No, I don't like bananas they make me sick."
    They jam the banana down your throat, and you throw up all over them. The person who forced the banana down your throat is at fault for forcing the banana on you. Not everyone likes bananas, not everyone can stomach bananas, we don't have anyway of identifying people who don't like bananas by looking at them, but simply have to take their word for it that they do not like bananas or cannot tolerate them, least we chance harming them or being puked on.

    Has it come through yet? You know what's best for you, but you are not everyone, nor can you speak for everyone. This is why different opinions are a reality. It's also the reason why I'd support this law. Because while having more than one parent (Dad) legally able to make decisions regarding my health, education, ect was not in my best interest, for others it may be more beneficial to have a tie breaker to help make decisions regarding their upbringing as some parents cannot compromise and in those situations there's usually a third party (grandparent, aunt, godparent, step-parent) who acts as a referee between the two and is able to step out of an emotionally charged argument to see the child's best interest. Yes there's potential for disaster as in reality there is with any new law. There's also great potential for good as well. I simply prefer to see it as a positive rather than a negative. That's my right as a free-thinking human being. You don't have to agree with me, but you don't have the right to degrade me for my view either nor do you have the right to name call or instigate an argument all you had to say in a civil manner was, 'scroll up hun, you misread the thread'. That would've been civil. Name calling and antagonizing isn't. I try to be civil, perhaps at times I get emotionally charged and it doesn't come across properly especially in a topic like this, but your posts, from all I can see are just blantent with disrespect for non-like minded humans and frankly I don't need somebody like that either in real life or in cyber space following me around or interacting with me. Good day.
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  • Bob 2012/07/05 19:02:16
    No
    Bob
    +1
    Well maybe only in California, The land of fruts & nuts and Demorats.
  • Tre 2012/07/05 18:58:13
    No
    Tre
    +1
    Really??? How much more bllsht can people come up with????
  • Weronikus 2012/07/05 18:55:34
    No
    Weronikus
    +1
    Two is the ideal number, for where one goes wrong, the other can help. If there were to be more, there would be more arguments over how to raise the child than the raising itself.

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