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Is It fair that a convenience store clerk to lose her job.After she refused to take a customer’s Electronic Balance Transfer card to pay for cigarettes?

Steverno~POTL~PWCM~JLA 2012/06/28 02:51:55
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PETERBOROUGH — Jackie R. Whiton of Antrim had been a six-year employee at the Big Apple convenience store in Peterborough until a single transaction sent her job up in smoke.
The store clerk was fired after she refused to take a customer’s Electronic Balance Transfer card to pay for cigarettes.
Whiton said a young man came in to the store to buy two packs or cigarettes on May 29. When she asked him for his ID, he handed her his EBT card.
EBT cards are used for both food and cash assistance programs. There are two types of cards: one can only be used for food. The other can be spent on anything and used just like a debit card.
Whiton said she did not think EBT cards could be used to purchase cigarettes and refused to sell to him. The two “had a little go-around” as the line got longer behind him, said Whiton.
“I made the statement, ‘do you think myself, that lady and that gentlemen should pay for your cigarettes?’ and he responded ‘yes,’ ” Whiton said.
The next day Whiton said the customer’s foster mother came to the store to complain. Whiton received a call later that day from the company’s home office in Maine, telling her it had received a complaint about her and reprimanded her.
“I said I would bow out gracefully and give my notice because I didn’t want to be a part of it. I’m 65 years old, you know?” Whiton said.
Charles E. Wilkins, the general manager of the C.N. Brown Co. that runs the stores, said the EBT cards in the cash phase could be used for any items, including alcohol, tobacco and gambling. Wilkins said the company gave Whiton the option of staying but she said she would not accept the cards anymore.
“She didn’t think it was right and just wasn’t going to sell to people in that program anymore,” Wilkins said.
Whiton said when she came to work the next day, her manager asked her how much notice she was giving. When she responded “a week,” she was told the home office had just called and fired her.
Wilkins said she would have had to accept the cards within that week.
Whiton said she was not looking for another job.
Whiton said she does not object to using the programs for food assistance, but does not think a person should be able to use public funds to buy cigarettes.
“They can’t even buy toilet paper with the EBT grocery cards but they can buy beer and cigarettes with the EBT cash cards,” Whiton said, “Go figure.”

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  • Kat ♪ 2012/06/28 02:55:56 (edited)
    Using a welfare card for cigarettes is wrong because....
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    We pay for their food, we do not need to be buying them cigarettes, gambling or booze. Need to go back to the old system. Go down to a federal building and pick up commodities. This welfare system is disgusting.

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  • shansera whitewu... 2012/06/28 15:35:21
    shansera
    +2
    Yeah, what was she thinking!! She actually cared more about "us" and her morality than her job, she is my new hero! :-)
  • Rebel Uke whitewu... 2012/06/28 16:49:15
    Rebel Uke
    was fired? She quit on her own, did you even read the article?
  • Mechelle Rebel Uke 2012/06/30 05:34:03
    Mechelle
    +1
    Did you? She was fired. She gave notice but the GM told her corporate called and said she was fired.
  • Rebel Uke Mechelle 2012/06/30 14:17:15
    Rebel Uke
    she put in her notice before any corporate calls came, therefore she quit.
  • exhon2009 2012/06/28 15:11:52
    Using a welfare card for cigarettes is OK by me because....
    exhon2009
    +1
    With the direction the country is headed eventually we'll be using them for everything, so get used to it. Number mine 666.
  • Sheila 2012/06/28 15:06:54
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    Sheila
    +4
    The issue at hand here is not the use for certain items and whether it is good or bad. The issue is the clerk did not OWN THE STORE and is an employee. It is NOT the employees discretion. She simply had to do her job.

    Now is it ok to use an ebt card for cigarettes? Morally? Hell no. THAT is NOT what we the people who pay those benefits give them to someone for. Legally? Must be or this would not have been an issue.

    The right thing to do is change the law. And that is not done at the store level. It CAN be started at the store level. Set out a petition and ask for signatures. Lobby for it if your boss is ok with that. But a clerk doesn't have the authority to do what she did.
  • DMack 2012/06/28 15:06:33
    Using a welfare card for cigarettes is wrong because....
    DMack
    +3
    welfare is basically used to cover the food cost from the government.
  • Sheila DMack 2012/06/28 15:09:28
    Sheila
    +3
    That is actually foodstamps. Here in LA the food program is very picky about what you buy, but the cash benefit card can be used for whatever. You can go to an ATM and withdraw cash with it, so they would just do that and pay cash at the store anyway.
  • DMack Sheila 2012/06/28 15:15:31
    DMack
    +2
    looks like my mind is in another place lol. Thank You for the correction.
  • Sheila DMack 2012/06/28 15:40:39
    Sheila
    +2
    No problem! I don't agree with the law as it stands, but the way to handle it is get the laws changed.
  • DMack Sheila 2012/06/28 15:56:28
    DMack
    +2
    Agreed.!
  • bags th... Sheila 2012/06/28 15:30:51
    bags the Indigenous Guru
    +3
    And it's the same in NH...except here BOTH benefits are on the same stupid card. Makes for many headaches.
  • Sheila bags th... 2012/06/28 15:40:02
    Sheila
    +3
    Exactly, so the clerk in question may not have even known the difference, but if it is food only they won't clear the purchase! It runs on a system that refuses the ring up or puts it in a different category and wont allow a food only card to clear on a non food item.
  • bags th... Sheila 2012/06/28 17:31:49
    bags the Indigenous Guru
    +2
    Clerk knew...clerk was trying to inject her political leanings into her workplace. It cost her the job, as it was neither corporate policy NOR legal.
  • Sheila bags th... 2012/06/28 18:19:56
    Sheila
    +3
    Agreed. My point was she didn't need to know which card it was. Her job is to ring up the sale and handle it. The system would have told her if the card did not support the sale.
  • bags th... Sheila 2012/06/28 18:22:34
    bags the Indigenous Guru
    +2
    Exactly, but she's been there long enough to know that. She wasn't new.
  • Sheila bags th... 2012/06/28 18:24:28
    Sheila
    +3
    Yup...but even with the benefit of the doubt she was in the wrong.
  • Pedalpusher 2012/06/28 15:00:23
    Using a welfare card for cigarettes is wrong because....
    Pedalpusher
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    I didn't even know they have such a card! I highly object to them being able to buy anything with a card like that! The reason is that some people don't have the presence of mind to know what they should be buying (what's needed to live on) and will things that are not needed to survive.....why are we paying for their ciggs, booze, gambling and what ever, when a lot that are on the edge and don't qualify can't buy stuff like that? What the hell is wrong with a state that allows such things?
  • whitewu... Pedalpu... 2012/06/28 15:22:24
  • *Mahoga... whitewu... 2012/06/30 05:35:27 (edited)
    *Mahogany Goddess
    This has nothing to do with Obama; Minnesota on the state level is why people are allowed cash. Minnesota is one of the most care free states when it comes to welfare, so you should put the blame where it belongs.
  • Skeptikat 2012/06/28 14:59:51
  • Playerazzi 2012/06/28 14:50:22 (edited)
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    The title is misleading. It sounds like she was fired. She was not.

    She quit.

    Anyway, it's not the business of the establishment to dictate morals to its customers.

    Only law, like if it's illegal to sell alcohol to minors, or after a certain hour.

    However, they CAN place a sign in the window saying EBT cards will only be honored for food purchases. That way, card holders can choose not to buy there.
  • Sheila Playerazzi 2012/06/28 15:24:47
    Sheila
    +1
    LOL, I bet if the customers complained the sign would not hold up in court. I think that because the old "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone at any time" is now considered discrimination. Shop owners have no rights once they open for business now. Sad.
  • Playerazzi Sheila 2012/06/28 17:29:49
    Playerazzi
    +1
    Hmmm. . . . I wonder if EBT cards have the legal status of cash. If so, the store must take them.

    But if they have the status of a credit card, then I think the store does not have to take them.

    The problem comes up if the store wants to limit what they by with the unlimited EBT card.

    You know, I think the best way to fight this is to publish the idiocy. Both here, Youtube, and everywhere else.
  • bags th... Playerazzi 2012/06/28 15:31:58
    bags the Indigenous Guru
    +2
    A great suggestion which I will make to the store.
  • Brat 2012/06/28 14:47:40
    Using a welfare card for cigarettes is wrong because....
    Brat
    +3
    This is taxpayer money to help with food and necessities. Not cigarettes and alcohol.
  • WGN 2012/06/28 14:20:20
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    +7
    The problem is not with the welfare program, it is with the clerk trying to tell the customer what he can or can not buy with the card.
    It is not her job to do so, nor is it any of her business.
    The key word in the story is "...Whiton said she did not THINK EBT cards could be used.."
    She has no business expressing her OPINION by denying the sale.
  • warkitten WGN 2012/06/28 15:05:34
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    +3
    Well they should get rid of the cash/debit crap all together...one card for everything which only includes food items and healthcare items...everything else is a luxury..she shouldn't have been fired...how is she supposed to distinguish between a cash/debit card or just one for food....after all the food one is the most commonly used by the needy....it was her job to make the call whether it was being properly used...what if she would have accepted it and it was food only...would they have fired her for that? She was employed as a cashier..in charge of how the store recieves its moneys and they could have gotten in trouble for selling cigs on a food only card
  • warkitten warkitten 2012/06/28 15:06:25
    warkitten
    Receives
  • bags th... warkitten 2012/06/28 15:35:17
    bags the Indigenous Guru
    the cash/debit crap is all other forms of financial assistance from the state of NH.....Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), Assistance to the Blind/Disabled, etc. We should dump these programs?
  • WGN warkitten 2012/06/28 22:08:23
    WGN
    "...how is she supposed to distinguish between a cash/debit card or just one for food"
    Try job training!
    If she was "...in charge of how the store recieves its moneys" then she should have known the difference between the cards.
  • Autarchic 2012/06/28 14:16:30
    Using a welfare card for cigarettes is wrong because....
    Autarchic
    +3
    I would have done the same!
  • ģhøṡτ øώl 2012/06/28 14:11:44
    Using a welfare card for cigarettes is wrong because....
    ģhøṡτ øώl
    +3
    IT'S ILLEGAL. READ THE LAWS.
  • Sheila ģhøṡτ øώl 2012/06/28 15:29:26
    Sheila
    +1
    Sadly it isn't. They can go withdrawcash at an ATM with the non foodstamp cards (the welfare cards) and then use the cash so they don't limit some of them.

    My unemployment came on a card for the couple of months I got it, and now my child support does since I had to get the man involved in making him pay the child support. The child support especially is NOT gov money.
  • ģhøṡτ øώl Sheila 2012/06/29 12:24:23
    ģhøṡτ øώl
    +2
    It's illegal to use the foodstamp card for anything other than food where I live. You cannot buy energy drinks, Hall's Cough drops or anything else medicinal, cigarettes, beer. Only food. Which most of the people who I see use it buy CRAP. It's funny because the card itself has fruits and vegetables in the picture on it. Yeah right.
  • Sheila ģhøṡτ øώl 2012/06/29 16:15:47
    Sheila
    They put different kinds of gov aid on those cards. FS is very specific, but the clerk doesn't need to make ANY decisions because the computers are all tied together and will not approve the purchase of non food items on SNAP or FS. But welfare (TANF or AFDC for example) are also paid on the ebt card and you can withdraw cash from an ATM under those programs. If you can use an ATM then I don't see HOW or WHY anyone whould fuss about using the card and skipping the ATM. I DO understand the fussing in general, but when you look at it that way it is simply to "look better" if you pay cash VS the card. The money came from the same place.

    All you can buy is food on the card. You can buy cokes and chips, but not dish soap......I used to be on FS when I was in school and had young kids. Used to make me so mad. Steak, but no toilet paper. I see their point, not everyone would stick to soap and TP if non food groceries were ok, but it is still (was) frustrating.
  • Sheila ģhøṡτ øώl 2012/06/29 16:26:26
    Sheila
    +2
    And yes soooo much of the food money is wasted on CRAP. Makes me sick. I was in line last week with my gr beef and hot dogs and apples and bread; and cash, and the lady in front of me had 2 buggies full of chips, cookies, cokes, steaks, etc..... diamonds on every finger and an EBT card to pay with. GGGggrrrr.
  • ģhøṡτ øώl Sheila 2012/06/30 14:25:58
    ģhøṡτ øώl
    +1
    People are becoming more and more despicable, per the abandonment of principles and ethics. But if you talk about things like that suddenly you're a "snob" or a "fascist". So many people have espoused life philosophies that allow for total unaccountability and exemption from the rules.
  • jackolantyrn356 2012/06/28 14:11:29
    Using a welfare card for cigarettes is wrong because....
    jackolantyrn356
    +2
    I don't care if Obummer smokes or not the rules say the cigarette is not legal to buy with Welfare Cards. The product is not nutricious in the least bit and is not "FOOD" as such. And a store clrk is being fired over this. I see a Billion Dollar Law suit and WIN for some one.
  • WGN jackola... 2012/06/28 14:24:31
    WGN
    +3
    She will get nothing as the company acted legally. She can not refuse to accept the card if the company policy says that she has to.
    She was offered her job back, but refused to go back to work. She should not get unemployment benefits as she refused to work.

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