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Is It fair that a convenience store clerk to lose her job.After she refused to take a customer’s Electronic Balance Transfer card to pay for cigarettes?

Steverno~POTL~PWCM~JLA 2012/06/28 02:51:55
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PETERBOROUGH — Jackie R. Whiton of Antrim had been a six-year employee at the Big Apple convenience store in Peterborough until a single transaction sent her job up in smoke.
The store clerk was fired after she refused to take a customer’s Electronic Balance Transfer card to pay for cigarettes.
Whiton said a young man came in to the store to buy two packs or cigarettes on May 29. When she asked him for his ID, he handed her his EBT card.
EBT cards are used for both food and cash assistance programs. There are two types of cards: one can only be used for food. The other can be spent on anything and used just like a debit card.
Whiton said she did not think EBT cards could be used to purchase cigarettes and refused to sell to him. The two “had a little go-around” as the line got longer behind him, said Whiton.
“I made the statement, ‘do you think myself, that lady and that gentlemen should pay for your cigarettes?’ and he responded ‘yes,’ ” Whiton said.
The next day Whiton said the customer’s foster mother came to the store to complain. Whiton received a call later that day from the company’s home office in Maine, telling her it had received a complaint about her and reprimanded her.
“I said I would bow out gracefully and give my notice because I didn’t want to be a part of it. I’m 65 years old, you know?” Whiton said.
Charles E. Wilkins, the general manager of the C.N. Brown Co. that runs the stores, said the EBT cards in the cash phase could be used for any items, including alcohol, tobacco and gambling. Wilkins said the company gave Whiton the option of staying but she said she would not accept the cards anymore.
“She didn’t think it was right and just wasn’t going to sell to people in that program anymore,” Wilkins said.
Whiton said when she came to work the next day, her manager asked her how much notice she was giving. When she responded “a week,” she was told the home office had just called and fired her.
Wilkins said she would have had to accept the cards within that week.
Whiton said she was not looking for another job.
Whiton said she does not object to using the programs for food assistance, but does not think a person should be able to use public funds to buy cigarettes.
“They can’t even buy toilet paper with the EBT grocery cards but they can buy beer and cigarettes with the EBT cash cards,” Whiton said, “Go figure.”

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  • Kat 2012/06/28 02:55:56 (edited)
    Using a welfare card for cigarettes is wrong because....
    Kat
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    We pay for their food, we do not need to be buying them cigarettes, gambling or booze. Need to go back to the old system. Go down to a federal building and pick up commodities. This welfare system is disgusting.

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  • Monty 2013/03/02 21:45:03
    Using a welfare card for cigarettes is wrong because....
    Monty
    i applaude this woman.
  • leslie 2012/07/06 04:24:27
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    It isn't the call of the person behind the counter. If it is allowed by the state agency issuing the EBT, there is nothing you can do about it.
  • Charles E 2012/07/01 04:07:13
    Using a welfare card for cigarettes is wrong because....
    Charles E
    +2
    They are intended for survival expenses and booze and cigarettes are not necessities.
    Good for her.

    And I am guessing that the 12 who answered "OK" are on welfare and use their taxpayer funded benefits for similar trash.
  • Monty Charles E 2013/03/02 21:31:32
    Monty
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    agreed
  • goblue1968 2012/06/30 18:03:19
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    Well, the lady made the choice to stand by her principles and therefore sacrifice her employment because those principles conflicted with the actual law and the policy of the store owner. It's irrelevant whether the EBT card should or shouldn't be used for tobacco or alcohol. One has to wonder what the foster mother had to get involved in this for, unless the young man wasn't old enough to buy cigarettes (or just went somewhere else to use his EBT card for cigarettes and wasn't looking for an argument like the foster mother obviously was).
  • Bob S 2012/06/30 14:55:05
    Using a welfare card for cigarettes is wrong because....
    Bob S
    +3
    She should be rewarded for trying to stop fraud. The company that fired her should be penalized (Obamas words) or taxed (Supreme Courts words).
  • The Electrician 2012/06/30 14:42:20
    Using a welfare card for cigarettes is wrong because....
    The Electrician
    She didn't lose her job because she was a Conservative, she lost her job because she was being stupid. The debit card is good for cigarettes.
  • Bob S The Ele... 2012/06/30 14:55:56
    Bob S
    +2
    I don't know that you are right or wrong but if it is then it should be STOPPED.
  • Steve King 2012/06/30 13:43:31
    Using a welfare card for cigarettes is wrong because....
    Steve King
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    While I agree with her sentiment that is should not be used for things like cigarettes, she made a unilateral decision to not comply with the law.

    I am glad that she brought attention to this issue.
  • Mechelle 2012/06/30 04:40:50
    Using a welfare card for cigarettes is wrong because....
    Mechelle
    +3
    It is given to pay bills, buy essentials, and clothes. When you think about it, children are going without so mommy and daddy can smoke, drink, and gamble. Often times I have seen people sell their food stamps for cash. I was talking to a woman and she told me if I gave her $20.00 in cash she would give me her food stamp card and I could spend $40.00 off of it. I was pissed. I told her to go buy her babies some food before I called the cops. It's sad that this happens and we ( THE TAX PAYERS ) are paying for them to do it.
  • Sgt Major B 2012/06/30 03:17:53
    Using a welfare card for cigarettes is wrong because....
    Sgt Major B
    +4
    Why does the taxpayer have to fund their bad habits? I gave 26 years of my life to this country and had to buy my own unless I was serving in a combat zone.
  • The Ele... Sgt Maj... 2012/06/30 15:09:50
    The Electrician
    Unfortunately we need those programs, or those people would be stealing and GOD knows what to get what they need.
  • Sgt Maj... The Ele... 2012/06/30 18:07:50
    Sgt Major B
    +2
    We don't need to support their vices.
  • DJL 2012/06/30 03:06:11
    Using a welfare card for cigarettes is wrong because....
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    Cash registers at grocery stores restict what ca be bought with food stamps (EBT cards) the shouldneed to be the law convenience stores. People should not be able to get cash back from EBT cards.
  • WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA 2012/06/29 15:54:49
    Using a welfare card for cigarettes is wrong because....
    WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA
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    It is not essential, it should not be paid for by welfare.
  • Tom 2012/06/29 15:54:11
    Using a welfare card for cigarettes is wrong because....
    Tom
    +5
    Food Only
  • ally 2012/06/29 14:14:27
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    The store clerk is there for one thing- to check out what the customer want's to buy. If this man was underage (which he wasn't), then she had the right to reject the sale. The store owners were correct.
  • Mechelle ally 2012/06/30 04:52:54
    Mechelle
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    Most states 18 is the legal age to buy cigarettes. If he still has a foster mom taking care of him then I'm guessing he was not of age. So not only is the tax payers giving welfare for him but they are also paying for the foster parent as well to take care of him. That said, it is not against the law to buy cigarettes with an EBT card so the clerk should have just dealt with it. But fireing her was not cool, she was kind enough to give notice they should have let her leave with her dignaty.
  • ally Mechelle 2012/06/30 16:54:05
    ally
    +1
    Beg to differ. Many people call their parents "foster parents"- it doesn't matter what age they are. If the young man had been underage, it would have stated it and she would have had a good case, because it is illegal to sell cigs to minors and the store owners can be prosecuted if caught or turned in.

    Like I said, store clerks are hired to do one thing- check out the items of the customers. Are you saying that a Vegan can refuse to sell meat to anyone because it's against thier healthy views of staying fit? And still think they will keep thier jobs? I don't think so.

    This was taken from the article: Charles E. Wilkins, the general manager of the C.N. Brown Co. that runs the stores, said the EBT cards in the cash phase could be used for any items, including alcohol, tobacco and gambling. Wilkins said the company gave Whiton the option of staying but she said she would not accept the cards anymore.

    As you can see, that the woman was given the option of staying- she chose not to. Her choice. She got what she wished for.
  • bettyboop 2012/06/29 10:18:30
    Using a welfare card for cigarettes is wrong because....
    bettyboop
    +5
    I imagine having worked most of her life, and as a tax payer, it galled her to sell this young man cigarettes using a card paid for by hard working tax payers like herself. Can't say I blame her for refusing to take the card. I don't know how many times I have been at the store trying very hard to find bargains and make my dollar stretch. Then I get to stand in line behind someone with a cart overflowing with all kinds of expensive frozen dinners and beef steaks and watch them pull out their lone star card to pay for it.
  • patriot88000 2012/06/29 07:49:21
    Using a welfare card for cigarettes is OK by me because....
    patriot88000
    +1
    That welfare card is actually treated as Cash, that is why the state issud it and it really should not matter what the owner of the card purchases with the card, as long as the card has the proper balance on it to cover the purchase the card is valid and so is the transaction being performed for cigarettes or any other consumed goods or services.
  • Mechelle patriot... 2012/06/30 04:57:04
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    +2
    I'm guessing.g you have an EBT card and so it does not bother you that money, that's supposed to be to support their children is being used for smokes, booze, and gambling. I have paid taxes since I was 15 and it does piss me off.
  • patriot... Mechelle 2012/07/19 20:14:36
    patriot88000
    No, I don't have an EBT card, but this is the system that has been set up by the corrupt politicians. Why is it so bad when a person makes a purchase of Cigarettes using the EBT card that has a cash transaction on it. How do you know this person isn't feeding and supporting his kids properly just because he is making a lawful purchase of cigarettes with the EBT card something you obviously don't approve of? Would you prefer he pay his utility, phone or cable bill using his EBT Credit Card? would that make You feel better?
  • Mechelle patriot... 2012/07/19 20:54:34 (edited)
    Mechelle
    +1
    Yes, that would make me feel better. The cash is for those bills and clothes and household needs.
  • Monty patriot... 2013/03/02 21:34:06
    Monty
    no,i should not be ok to buy smokes with that
  • Carl 2012/06/29 05:43:30
    Using a welfare card for cigarettes is wrong because....
    Carl
    +4
    it is a misuse of the intended purpose of the card - food
  • patriot... Carl 2012/06/29 07:55:15
    patriot88000
    +1
    The EBT card is no longer Just a Food Stamp Card, it has a Cash Transaction Card as well for cash purchases.It literally is a State sanctioned Credit Card. What your referring to is the Old Paper Food Stamps that could only be used for food and in some states not even processed food like Deli sandwishes could be purchased with the Old Paper Food Stamps.
  • WhereIs... patriot... 2012/06/29 15:55:49
    WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    And you think it is good that welfare should pay for cigarettes?
  • Carl patriot... 2012/07/01 07:19:00
    Carl
    The intent of the EBT card was to eliminate the using of paper and reduce labor costs
  • patriot... Carl 2012/07/19 20:16:51
    patriot88000
    +1
    Not really, the intent of the EBT card was so the government could more easily track every purchase made by public aid receipients using a so called Computerized "paper trail".
  • JenSemPa 2012/06/29 03:53:46
    Using a welfare card for cigarettes is wrong because....
    JenSemPa
    +4
    Good for her! She took a stand and was even willing to make a sacrifice (losing her job) in order to back it up.

    Notice that she did not demand to be kept on the job. She basically said, "If I have to sell cigarettes to people using welfare cards, then I don't want any part of it anymore."

    It seems to me that most Americans, whether liberal or conservative or somewhere in between, would agree that buying cigarettes, alcohol, etc. is NOT what the welfare system was ever intended for.
  • Dogzebra 2012/06/29 03:00:47
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    I was waiting in the car for my wife who was shopping for a couple items in the grocery. I notice this moke wheel a shopping cart full of glass bottles full of milk out of the store , then up to a nearby storm drain. He proceeded to open and dump the fresh cold milk right there in the parking lot. When finnished he then strolled back into the store.

    This got my curiosity up so I followed him into the store and up to the service counter where the cashier proceeded to give him ten dollars for his return deposit. It turned out that the milk was free(including deposit,) but each bottle he returned netted him a dollar with which he proceeded to purchase cigarettes for his labor. I guess that milk program is cancelled now. Low lifes are everywhere.
  • Julian Dogzebra 2012/06/29 18:52:09
    Julian
    +1
    Ah yes, the law of unintended consequences in action.
  • *K'eim*h3reg' *Peh2u *Meg' 2012/06/29 02:45:16
    Using a welfare card for cigarettes is wrong because....
    *K'eim*h3reg' *Peh2u *Meg'
    +3
    I am paying for it JACK! Need a better reason than that?
  • patriot... *K'eim*... 2012/06/29 08:00:43
    patriot88000
    +1
    Your not alone Jack, Everybody who is taxed is paying for it, but then again all tobacco users are paying for ther Childrens Health Care Insurance with the passage of SCHIP through increased Tobacco taxes, so what the hell is your beef. Yes, I realize that 2 wrongs don't make a right, but until we can change the system of Big Government telling us what we can do and taxing us for absolutely everything, we simply have to live with it or revolt. Take your choice.
  • bobby 2012/06/29 02:13:57
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    Once again, chain store mentality shows a complete disregard for the societys it claims to service. Jackie Whiton was absolutely spot on. It is not reasonable for society to pay for items that are detrimental to EBT's recipients. Unfortunately Big Apple, I suspect, are more concerned about their takings, worried that EBT recipients may be put off their stores after the media interest. Ms Whiton right.... Big Apple wrong.
  • ☠ Live Free Or Die ☠ 2012/06/29 01:00:40
    Using a welfare card for cigarettes is wrong because....
    ☠ Live Free Or Die ☠
    +3
    It's a luxury item.
  • onetirednurse 2012/06/29 00:38:39
    Using a welfare card for cigarettes is wrong because....
    onetirednurse
    +3
    More proof the Welfare system is broken..
  • Rave 2012/06/29 00:37:47
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    +5
    This should be a issue of the welfare regulations and laws. She did not do her job, which was to accept legal purchase in any form. If she has an issue with the current law, she needs to take it up with someone in charge, she had no right as a service provider to dictate what this individual man can do.

    Now on the other hand, I don't think welfare cards should allow buying cigarettes, and the man did seem arrogant from the text. Either way, you either do your job, or quit it, or you take it up with your boss, you can't decide to do your job when it's convenient with your own views.
  • patriot... Rave 2012/06/29 08:10:36
    patriot88000
    +3
    I agree, I don't believe welfare cards should be used to purchase tobacco products no more than smokers should be taxed heavier than any other consumers for the products they purchase, especially when it comes to Childrens Health Insurance, but that is happening and nobody (except smokers) seemed to complain about that. Even the children of Non-smokers are receiving the benefits of the SCHIP law when it got passed and it is only the smokers of this nation that are paying for those benefits of those children, not the rest of the nation.

    It seems fine when smokers are criticized for their habits, yet it is the smokers that are being penalized by higher taxes on cigarettes, while the rest of the consumers of every other consumed item are not. How is that fair to smokers. Why can't tobacco taxes increase at the same exact rate as all consumer items do. Now that would be more fair. I welcome your comments.
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