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Is it correct for the U.S.Department of Justice to tell Florida election officials to stop its non-citizen voter purge?

Steverno~POTL~PWCM~JLA 2012/06/01 14:08:43
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The Justice Department told Florida election officials that they must stop their non-citizen voters purge. Florida argues it is not violating any law.

The Justice Department ordered Florida’s elections division to halt a systematic effort to find and purge the state’s voter rolls of noncitizen voters.

Florida’s effort appears to violate both the 1965 Voting Rights Act, which protects minorities, and the 1993 National Voter Registration Act – which governs voter purges – T. Christian Herren Jr., the Justice Department’s lead civil rights lawyer, wrote in a detailed two-page letter sent late Thursday night.

State officials said they were reviewing the letter. But they indicated they might fight DOJ over its interpretation of federal law and expressed frustration that President Barack Obama’s administration has stonewalled the state’s noncitizen voter hunt for nine months.

“We are firmly committed to doing the right thing and preventing ineligible voters from being able to cast a ballot,” said Chris Cate, spokesman for Secretary of State Ken Detzner, who was ordered by Gov. Rick Scott to conduct the search for potentially ineligible voters.

DOJ’s written demand came hours after the agency refused to comment on the matter to The Miami Herald. It also followed a federal court ruling Thursday that struck down a Republican voter-registration law that a judge found too onerous.

So far, Florida has flagged 2,700 potential noncitizen voters and sent the list to county elections supervisors, who have found the data and methodology to be flawed and problematic. The list of potential noncitizen voters – many of whom have turned out to be lawful citizens and voters – disproportionately hits minorities, especially Hispanics.

About 58 percent of those flagged as potential noncitizens are Hispanics, Florida’s largest ethnic immigrant population, a Miami Herald analysis found. Hispanics make up 13 percent of the overall 11.3 million active registered voters.

Independent voters and Democrats are the most likely to face being purged from the rolls. Republicans and non-Hispanic whites are the least likely.

Under the Voting Rights Act, Florida needs federal approval before it makes changes to voting because five Florida counties – Monroe, Hillsborough, Collier, Hardee and Hendry – had minority-voting troubles decades ago

"Our records do not reflect that these changes affecting voting have been submitted to the United States District Court for the District of Columbia for judicial review or to the Attorney General for administrative review as required by Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act," Herren wrote.

"Accordingly, it is necessary that they either be brought before that court or submitted to the Attorney General for a determination that they neither have the purpose nor will have the effect of discriminating on account of race, color, or membership in a language minority group under Section 5."

He gave the state until next Wednesday to inform the Justice Department of its planned course of action.

“Specifically, please advise whether the State intends to cease the practice discussed above, so that the Department can determine what further action, if any, is necessary,” Herren wrote.

Herren also said that the National Voter Registration Act bans Florida’s effort because it says “a State shall complete, not later than 90 days prior to the date of a primary or general election for Federal office, any program the purpose of which is to systematically remove the names of ineligible voters from the official lists of eligible voters.”

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From: The Miami Herald

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  • Theresa 2012/06/01 14:13:39
    Florida election officials need to fight the DOJ because....
    Theresa
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    The DOJ has no jurisdiction in how any State conducts its election process! This is a totally 10th amendment situation! State of Florida Ignore them and have your sheriffs arrest them if they try to interfere!

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  • Patsy 2012/06/14 20:36:01
    Florida election officials need to fight the DOJ because....
    Patsy
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    The DOJ is a disgrace!
  • david reese 2012/06/11 03:32:57 (edited)
    The Justice Dept. actions are correct because....
    david reese
    I believe that Florida need to be watch,I am a dad who little girls was rape in Jacksonville Florida,The people who sworn to up-whole the laws is the ones breaking them,Micheal Carrigan,of the Department of children an families is the person who gave my kids to a drug addict grandmother,Nannette Uhler,who was order to be supervise around my frist little girls because she told me that ,Nannette Uhler,gave her beer, she was only 3 years old and that,David Branch,touch her private area,So,Nannette Uhler and David Branch,could not be around my frist little girl un-supervised,Now my first little girl is 11 years old and her sister is 5 years old an they both been rape from the front and back,"I was the person that was put in jail for my kids rape after i called,ARIZONA Department of children an families and told the lady on the phone my problem with ,Jacksonville Department of children an families,So about two weeks after the lady from Arizona call the Jewish community center, 3733 university west ", I was put in jail on october 27,2010 and on february 8,2011 in Juvenile courtroom the judge David M.Gooding,and,Sarah Thomas,for children legal service,"Dismissed all charges against me because the victims told the court that it was not me who rape them and judge David m.Gooding,said i...
    I believe that Florida need to be watch,I am a dad who little girls was rape in Jacksonville Florida,The people who sworn to up-whole the laws is the ones breaking them,Micheal Carrigan,of the Department of children an families is the person who gave my kids to a drug addict grandmother,Nannette Uhler,who was order to be supervise around my frist little girls because she told me that ,Nannette Uhler,gave her beer, she was only 3 years old and that,David Branch,touch her private area,So,Nannette Uhler and David Branch,could not be around my frist little girl un-supervised,Now my first little girl is 11 years old and her sister is 5 years old an they both been rape from the front and back,"I was the person that was put in jail for my kids rape after i called,ARIZONA Department of children an families and told the lady on the phone my problem with ,Jacksonville Department of children an families,So about two weeks after the lady from Arizona call the Jewish community center, 3733 university west ", I was put in jail on october 27,2010 and on february 8,2011 in Juvenile courtroom the judge David M.Gooding,and,Sarah Thomas,for children legal service,"Dismissed all charges against me because the victims told the court that it was not me who rape them and judge David m.Gooding,said in court that i was not suppose to be in jail for my kids case,But my court apointted lawyer,Jeffrey L. Barrett,told the judge that i was in jail on a different charge,Jeffrey,lie to the judge and that started the CONSPIRACY to keep me in jail,"16 days later in criminal court and the judge is,Virginal Norton and State attorney,Deena Janan Bateh,they charge me with the same crime once again and use the same Documents from Juvenile Division,and i was in jail for 122 days on day of charge,the state only get 30 days plus 3 days and another 7 days a total of 40 days to charge a person with a crime,State of florida VS. David Nathaniel Reese,"S.A.case no;10CF047488AD"Clerk no;162010CF012213AXXXMA-Divis... imformation has been file in this case of the conspiracy and violations of the court when i was in jail and was Pro-se and still the child rapist is still free and i had to take two years probation for child abuse just to get out of jail and try to get help for my kids,I lost my apartment and my car that was paid for plus my job because i was in jail for 15 months and now no-one will tell me where my kids are at and no-body in doing nothing about the child rapist,and i wrote to everybody,No help,So yes people need to keep a closes eye on jacksonville florida
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  • Flamingolady 2012/06/08 13:10:24
    Florida election officials need to fight the DOJ because....
    Flamingolady
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    Here is one reason:
  • Bureauc 0webama 2012/06/06 05:17:55
    Florida election officials need to fight the DOJ because....
    Bureauc 0webama
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    ...because it's only a ploy to give an edge to demoncrats. Has no basis in legality.
  • Louisa - Enemy of the State 2012/06/05 03:52:02
    Florida election officials need to fight the DOJ because....
    Louisa - Enemy of the State
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    Florida should move ahead and begin the roll purge. Actually, this is something that should be ongoing in the election process. Add new voters and purge those not entitled to vote. What could possibly be wrong with that!!
  • frank 2012/06/04 21:31:41
    Florida election officials need to fight the DOJ because....
    frank
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    DOJ is just trying to throw its weight around and prevent Florida from removing ineligible voters from the rolls.
  • Jackie G - Poker Playing Pa... 2012/06/04 19:00:07
    Florida election officials need to fight the DOJ because....
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
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    No they are not correct - each state is bound by law to keep clean voter rolls
  • akgold 2012/06/04 18:55:30
    Florida election officials need to fight the DOJ because....
    akgold
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    Florida law does NOT give illegal aliens the right to vote in the state. Every fight the feds loose helps to weaken them and slow their steamrolling of the Constitution.
  • freebirdie 2012/06/04 17:48:14
    Florida election officials need to fight the DOJ because....
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    So now are they going to say that all minorities are non-citizens? Last I checked citizen and minority meant two different things.
  • LarryFine 2012/06/04 17:48:11
    Florida election officials need to fight the DOJ because....
    LarryFine
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    Like Arizona and immigration, the Feds are wrong again.
  • Red Branch 2012/06/04 02:51:10
    Florida election officials need to fight the DOJ because....
    Red Branch
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    The 9th and 10th Amendments give them that responsibility.
  • M'lud 2012/06/04 01:30:49
    The Justice Dept. actions are correct because....
    M'lud
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    This attempt to suppress the vote is so blatant, so cynical and so transparent that anyone who supports the purge is either evil or so incredibly naive it defies belief. There is no VOTER fraud! VOTE fraud is perpetrated NOT by individual voters, but at the legislative and administrative levels.
  • freebirdie M'lud 2012/06/04 18:00:12
    freebirdie
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    So would you have communist Cuban nationals, Russian communist nationals, North Korean communist nationals, Chinese communist nationals, and all other anti-American non citizens who are here in this country, voting for our rights and freedoms to be restricted, raising our taxes through the roof, voting in people to rule over us who will change our standards and Constitution? Really? Because this is what you are advocating. There have been people prosecuted for voter fraud and yes, most of it happens at the admin level--which is why you clean out the cobwebs and potential for the fraud! What is the harm of taking dead people/ineligibles off of the voter list? Just because they say the word 'minority' it does not mean they can't vote. Minority and citizen mean two different things.
  • Sue 2012/06/03 20:28:45
    Florida election officials need to fight the DOJ because....
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    If they are not citizens they should not vote so they should not be on the voter rolls. Sometimes things are too simple for the government to understand. Besides, think of all the paper that will be saved when they print out the voter rolls!
  • Jane 2012/06/03 13:45:51
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    Florida is calling it a purge of non-citizen voters, but in fact they are purging the poor and old citizens as they tend to be democrats. I am disgusted by Florida.
  • freebirdie Jane 2012/06/04 18:01:37
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    Got a shovel to go with that pile? Someone didn't eat their prunes this morning..
  • akgold freebirdie 2012/06/04 18:53:41
    akgold
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    I think they overdosed on their prunes actually. She is dropping crap all over the place!
  • Adam 2012/06/03 12:20:16
    Florida election officials need to fight the DOJ because....
    Adam
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    It is important to remove ineligible voters from being able to vote, and the federal government has no right to say what they do about it without a constitutional reason to, because the tenth amendment relegates all not covered by the constitution to the states.
  • golem48 2012/06/03 00:11:17
    Florida election officials need to fight the DOJ because....
    golem48
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    Eric Holder would like to see dead people voting everywhere!
  • CAPISCE 2012/06/02 21:55:20
    Florida election officials need to fight the DOJ because....
    CAPISCE
    +5
    This should not be a discussion.
    Don't allow 1 single vote that is illegal. Go Florida
  • mightymouse49 2012/06/02 21:36:14
    Florida election officials need to fight the DOJ because....
    mightymouse49
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    It is TIME and overtime for the states to stand up to the feds and take back their true authority.
  • Arch Stanton 2012/06/02 19:27:50
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    They can always secede.

    secede
  • CODE 11 Arch St... 2012/06/02 20:02:47 (edited)
    CODE 11
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    They nay not be alone..if Obama gets a second term.
  • EllE Arch St... 2012/06/02 22:12:15
    EllE
    +3
    This is Obama's agenda.
    When everyone divided - anarchy and than Police State with war agains own citizens & states.
  • Jane EllE 2012/06/03 13:49:12
    Jane
    +1
    I'm sorry, but it is the wealthy that control the republican party and fox news that have been so successful in dividing the country with their lies and propaganda.
  • Arch St... EllE 2012/06/16 17:26:10
    Arch Stanton
    Yeah, I know. It'll be cool. Huh-huh, huh-huh, huh-huh ...
  • Roger47 2012/06/02 19:00:20 (edited)
    The Justice Dept. actions are correct because....
    Roger47
    +2
    Eligible voters are being purged at a higher rate than any living people who cannot legally vote. It is an attempt to disenfranchise people they think will vote for Democrats. It has nothing to do with stopping fraud.
  • CODE 11 Roger47 2012/06/02 20:04:50
    CODE 11
    +3
    Ok....if your eligible how are they knocking you off?
  • Roger47 CODE 11 2012/06/02 23:20:29
  • CODE 11 Roger47 2012/06/03 16:55:29
    CODE 11
    +3
    I think the SC said it best in the Ga. case..none of this causes a burton on the voters
  • Sue Roger47 2012/06/03 20:31:16
  • Jane CODE 11 2012/06/03 13:51:51
    Jane
    Duh, because they are democrats and Florida is ruled by rich (old) white guys.
  • Jane Roger47 2012/06/03 13:50:11
    Jane
    It worked for them before in Wisconsin as well.
  • Cal 2012/06/02 18:48:37
    Florida election officials need to fight the DOJ because....
    Cal
  • Izariel 2012/06/02 17:46:10
    Florida election officials need to fight the DOJ because....
    Izariel
    +3
    There is absolutely nothing wrong with attempting to get rid of the tens of thousands of wrong/fraudulent/non-existant/ dem made up names in Florida.

    Isnt it odd that the only time the Holder Justice Department acts is when it is adverse to freedom and integrity as in this case?
  • M'lud Izariel 2012/06/04 02:52:59
    M'lud
    There may be "tens of thousands " of fraudulent votes, but there are quite obviously not "tens of thousands " of fraudulent voters. You have no idea what you are talking about. Stop parroting the talking points of Rush and Faux Noise and do a little HONEST research.
  • Izariel M'lud 2012/06/04 04:10:39
    Izariel
    +2
    Actually, i have. It's apparent you have not. Funny you say that, when all you did was sit down and write that response. Fact- Florida has already purged thousands of names that should not have been on their rolls. Why else do you think Holder would get involved? All those names were signed up as democrats, that's why.
  • Darnel 2012/06/02 17:09:44
    The Justice Dept. actions are correct because....
    Darnel
    +4
    Because MOST of the people put up as NONCITIZENS are citizens of our country.

    Geez,.. people don't read.

    Everyone who believes it's okay for a state to PICK who can vote - esp in cases where they obviously go through ethnic or color lines and don't show concern to actual citizenship,... are bent.
  • CODE 11 Darnel 2012/06/02 20:08:36
    CODE 11
    +3
    How is removing non-citizens..who have no right to vote here..a problem..unless you expect them to push you over the top in an election..you shouldn't have won.
  • EllE CODE 11 2012/06/02 22:28:27
    EllE
    +2
    They think that people on green cards also citizens. ))))
    Just like they have no idea what is Natural Born Citizen. ))
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