Is Israel An Apartheid State?

by Step Up For Israel Posted 2012/04/16 23:41:15

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South African Parliament member Kenneth Meshoe responds to European reporter's questions of "apartheid" in democratic Israel!

"...anybody that has knowledge about what apartheid is cannot make such a ridiculous statement..."

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Raven 2012/05/03 02:40:12

No

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The apartheid (and I'll add totalitarian) states are Islamic states
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owen to Will Jones 2012/05/25 00:49:52

Yes you do brother,Godbless you.

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Will Jones to love am... 2012/04/17 02:32:24

btw your language supports my charge of G-dlessness.

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owen to love am... 2012/05/27 11:43:54

You cant hadle truths

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homerii to Will Jones 2012/04/29 14:27:37

The Catholic church is not a Christian church, but just like Islam is a religion.

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owen to homerii 2012/05/25 00:49:17

Its Christs church,he said to Peter you are my rock and on you I shall build my church.The church has beenruined since PP6 and his V2C the Masonic influences have undermined the Vatican bank,changed the mass,taken over orders with gay masonic preists etc etc.

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Chuck to owen 2012/05/26 11:33:56

I see several different people making reference to Catholics and Masons; as in your statement, ". . . . . .taken over orders with gay masonic priests etc. etc." Catholics are not even welcome in the Masonic Lodge; did you know that? Homosexuality is also non-acceptable in the Masonic Lodge; did you know that? Of course, there are those despicable characters in any organization, or church group, but to align the Masonic lodge with the Pope and Zionists rabbis is just a little far fetched. In my humble opinion. Also, just a little more FYI, a lot of people claim that King Solomon was one of the early Grand Potentates of the Masonic Order; but that is NOT true. And, in addition, it was the Jewish rabbis that became so paranoid of the Gnostics that they literally declared war on them and ran them underground, just as they have been attempting to do with the Masons over the past 50 years or so. I will tell you this, the Masonic Lodge is not nearly as powerful today as it was in the past. Nor does the Pope have as much influence now as in the past. ONE thing has not changed, and that is the rabbis STILL have more power than anyone else on earth, simply because they, Jews; be they Zionists or not, control MONEY and it's distribution throughout the entire world.

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owen to Chuck 2012/05/26 12:39:30

Buddy you have a lot to learn.Start with Malachi Martin on Freemasonry within the Catholic church,we have Bishops involved in this cancer.

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Thomas Olson 2012/04/17 00:35:39

No

While there is admittedly some discrimination against Palestinians it is far from Apartheid.

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homerii to Thomas ... 2012/04/17 00:55:49

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There is no such thing as a Palestinian. Where is their history? Arafat was an Egyptian and the real truth is that the name Palestine was given to the Philistians in Gaza by the Romans . People are so ignorant and too lazy to find out the truth. Give me some history on Palestine that goes back long enough to make it believable.

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Serenity to homerii 2012/04/17 01:39:52 (edited)

The Palestinians have been on that land for thousands of years. Many of the original Jews did not leave, but converted to Islam, so many present-day Palestinians are descendants of those original Jews.

See Jewish Israel Prof. Shlomo Sand's work, which includes "The Invention of the Jewish People.

Funny thing is, Israelis know this. It's the political establishment that tries to hide the truth and spread propaganda.

see also: www.jewsnotzionists.org Jews that know their history, they explain why the great Jewish Rabbis were vehemently opposed to the Zionists

see also: www.gush-shalom.org . Founded by Zionist Uri Avnery, he moved to Israel from Germany in the early 1930s, founding member of the Knesset (Israeli Parliament). He served in the Irgun (the early National Military) for 3 years but left bc of their anti-Arab attitude and their terrorist methods. He joined the army again when the Israeli-Arab war broke out in 1947, and wrote about Israelis committing atrocities against the Arabs, and forcing the Arabs out

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homerii to Serenity 2012/04/29 14:24:55

Smart aleck die with the world. See what GOD says in the BIBLE. You are so ignorant that you do not know that the jews did not accept JESUS either, just like you. In a few years you will find out for sure, I won't because I will be gone from here.
Good Luck with your ignorant informers.

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owen to Serenity 2012/05/25 00:51:30

Shlommo Sand is a very brave man,its a wonder he is still alive today.He is 100% correct.

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trisha.... to homerii 2012/04/17 02:54:17

homeril, you are completely correct. Those that know their Bible, yes this even includes the Torah, it is well known that even those Goliath was a Philistine, there have never ever been any Palestinians and they have never had their own lands. They are actually part of the Jewish nation. Read not only your Bible/Torah, read your history.!!!!!!

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Serenity to trisha.... 2012/04/17 20:30:04

... and the Jews never had a "mass exodus" from the land of Israel 2000 years ago.

Those original Jews converted to Islam, and continued to live on that land till the present day. The white-European Ashkenazi Jews who make up most of the Israelis have no claim to the land - THEIR descendants never lived there!

See "The Invention of the Jewish People" by Jewish Israeli historian Dr. Shlomo Sands.

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owen to Serenity 2012/05/25 00:52:56

The true Israel is in exile

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owen to Thomas ... 2012/05/27 11:37:38

You must be bloody joking mister.

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Joe Rizoli 2012/04/17 00:34:32

Yes

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Is rain wet? Of course it is. It has committed mass murders, destroyed land that does not belong to it has been involved in terrorist activity since its founding in 1948. it has spied on America, Jonathan Pollard being a big treasonnist not to mention a few others who were put to death like the Rosenbergs. Israel has attacked America by way of bombing in 1967 the USS Liberty murdering 34 and maiming 170 + Israel now wants an unwarranted war with Iran. While she herself has tons of nuclear weapons . I have NO love for Israel. Looking forward to the day when God Almighty takes his vengeance out on it by way of the man on the White Horse pictured in Revelation Chapter 19 of the Bible.

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homerii to Joe Rizoli 2012/04/17 00:51:16

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you know nothing about the Bible or about Israel.

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Joe to homerii 2012/04/17 04:53:53 (edited)

Mat 23:38
"Look, your house is left desolate", pretty
much says it all. Israel went from literal Jews to a "spiritual" Israel, the "Israel of God" apparently the books of Peter when it mentions Christians as the fullfiment of OT prophecy mentioning Christians as the chosen nation. Stop being ignorant and really read your Bible. In 70CE the nation of Israel was destroyed. NO Jew can prove his/her Biblical geneology today. That was done for a reason. MOST of you don't know your Bible.
Joe

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trisha.... to Joe Rizoli 2012/04/17 02:56:56

Joe, you need to read the Bible better, that land has always belonged to the Jewish people, God gave it to them after Moses led them out of Egypt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You sir need to learn the true history. The Jewish people are GOD's chosen, accept it and learn to love the Jews.

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Joe to trisha.... 2012/04/17 05:02:37 (edited)

The Jews have ruined America. They brought slavery to America through RI, do research on the Lopez brothers.
David Duke had a great historical video on this topic. It can't be disproven he quotes all Jewish sources.. The Jews control Hollywood and its pornographic industry, THEY ADMIT it, do a search on the internet for that. The Jews have taken over politics and brought their liberal Ant-Christian beliefs through Ant-Christ organizations such as the ADL and the SPLC and the ACLU, or the ACLJew as I call it. Our country is at the same spiritual values as was Germany was before Hitler took over. Germany was a very immoral city. Do some research. Stop being stupid Do some research, or is that too much for you all?

Joe

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Serenity to Joe 2012/04/17 21:50:34 (edited)

Not all Jews are bad; many do a lot of great things for America, and the world. Many, many Jews in America and worldwide do NOT support the cruel, racist policies of the Israeli govt (supported by the US govt, of course) and they speak out against Israeli policies! But the media doesn't cover it...

Rabbi Mair Hirsh of Jerusalem:
"The Jewish people are a G-dly people, faithful to the authority of the holy Torah, and to the fulfillment of its commandments and statutes. A Jew is only one who observes faithfully the statutes of the Jewish religion and does not take part in any activities which are a rebellion against the wishes of the A-lmighty. This includes, not to rebel against the Divinely decreed exile, in which the Jewish people now find themselves, and about which we are under oath not to fight against. It also includes treating all with compassion and certainly not to carry out the horrific oppression of the Palestinian people, something which the Zionists do. " ...

"To this very day, we continue to publicize in every form possible, that the Zionists do not represent the Jewish people, they have no authentic connection with the Jewish people, they are not the messengers of the Jewish people, the name "Israel" which they use is a forgery. They have no right to Palestine, whatsoever."
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"Read the Talmud - Jews in exile are forbidden to have their own state." - Statement of Jews who are against Zionist Israel

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Joe Rizoli to Serenity 2012/12/31 20:27:40 (edited)

Biblically the Jews don't exist. The Bible makes that known that those who claim the heritage are from the "Synagogue of Satan" Rev 2:9, 3:9. All OT scriptures used for the Jews in the NT have been turned into a "spiritual fulfillment", I.E, Galatians, the "Israel of God"
Instead if using the phrase the God of Israel. The book of 1 Peter does the same thing "spiritualizing" OT scriptures to bring fullfilled in Christianity and Christians.
The Jews as a group died in 70CE

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Zain 2012/04/17 00:08:37

Yes

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"a system of control" in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, including Jewish-only settlements, separate roads, military checkpoints, discriminatory marriage law, the West Bank barrier, use of Palestinians as cheap labour, Palestinian West Bank enclaves, inequities in infrastructure, legal rights, and access to land and resources between Palestinians and Israeli residents in the Israeli-occupied territories resembles some aspects of the South African apartheid regime, and that elements of Israel's occupation constitute forms of colonialism and of apartheid, which are contrary to international law

The continued pattern of settlement expansion in East Jerusalem combined with the forcible eviction of long-residing Palestinians is creating an intolerable situation … and can only be described in its cumulative impact as a form of ethnic cleansing.

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Adriann... to Zain 2012/04/17 00:22:17

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The West Bank is not occupied. It was an extremely generous act on the part of the Israelis to grant the Palestinians their own land, but it is still PART of the state of Israel. Palestinians have equal protection under Israeli law, they vote, they serve in the Knesset, they play on Israel's sports teams, they have the same jobs as Israelis, and they go to the same universities. There is some restriction on Palestinians travelling between the "Palestinian territories" and Israel proper, but it's their own dang fault for harboring and aiding terrorists. Most Israelis support a two-state solution, but most Palestinians support only a single Arab state.

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Serenity to Adriann... 2012/04/17 00:58:49 (edited)

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not true. check out www.ifamericansknew.org

for historical perspective from practicing Jews who understand their Torah,
see http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/ Peruse the site, read the information they provide, read what the respected Jewish sages said about Zionism back 100+ years ago when Zionists were attempting to gain support for a Jewish homeland

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Rick Armin to Adriann... 2012/04/17 01:02:57

Damned nice of the Israelis to give back a small part of the land they stole from the Palestinians. What nice folks the Zionists are.

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love am... to Rick Armin 2012/04/17 01:45:37

MOVE BACK !

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trisha.... to Rick Armin 2012/04/17 02:58:13

Wrong Rick, the Philistines, not Palestiians never had any lands to call their own so the the Jewish had nothing to give back to them. Read your Bible!!!!!!!!!!!

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Rick Armin to trisha.... 2012/04/17 03:30:27

I used to read the Bible many years ago, until I realized it's nothing but Hebrew mythology combined with a little Greek, Roman, and probably other mythologies from the area and era. I could point out that the Jews didn't have any lands until Holocaust One when they slaughtered the rightful inhabitants. Of course, those iniquitous Canaanites had offended "God" so it was Okay to slaughter men, women, and children. Frankly, I've long thought that was a load of crap made up by those "Jews" who would be kings to get the average "Jew," who otherwise never would have done it, to violate Moses commandment and kill the Canaanites.

Tell me. If Hitler and the Nazis had claimed Odin told them to kill the iniquitous Jews, would that have made it OK?

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Bryan L... to Zain 2012/04/17 00:55:56

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Israel has a right to defend itself against Palestinian terrorists who were evicted from Muslem nations who didn't want them living in their land either.

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Rick Armin to Zain 2012/04/17 01:05:33

Forget it! Israel Firsters don't want to hear facts. They just want Americans to kill and die for their Reich.

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Rob to Zain 2012/04/17 01:27:11

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Hello Zain,
Anyone who's ever been to Israel would laugh out loud at this question, if they're being honest and lack , shall we say, a certain agenda. To really find apartheid, you need to go to the Arab countries, where Jews were ethnically cleansed years ago, and are not allowed to live. That includes the 'Palestinians' who have said repeatedly they will not allow a single Jew to live in their proposed little reichlet.

You throw around a great many buzz words like 'colonialism' and 'occupation'. Riddle me this...prior to 1948, Judea and Samaria ( AKA The West Bank) . were owned by the Ottomans as a villayat for 4 centuries and after WWI as a League of Nations mandate in British custody. The 1924 San Remo agreement established a partition in international law of 80% of the Palestine Mandate (now known as Jordan) east of the Jordan River as the Arab part of Palestine under the British clients, the Hashemites. All Jews whom had settled east of the Jordan River were removed by the Brits, and everything west of the Jordan was named in San Remo as the future Jewish state, which is the sole reason Britain had the mandate in the first place.

In 1948, Jordan attacked Israel along with six other Arab states, etnically cleanes th eentire Jewosh popu;lation from Judea, Samaria and East ...

Hello Zain,
Anyone who's ever been to Israel would laugh out loud at this question, if they're being honest and lack , shall we say, a certain agenda. To really find apartheid, you need to go to the Arab countries, where Jews were ethnically cleansed years ago, and are not allowed to live. That includes the 'Palestinians' who have said repeatedly they will not allow a single Jew to live in their proposed little reichlet.

You throw around a great many buzz words like 'colonialism' and 'occupation'. Riddle me this...prior to 1948, Judea and Samaria ( AKA The West Bank) . were owned by the Ottomans as a villayat for 4 centuries and after WWI as a League of Nations mandate in British custody. The 1924 San Remo agreement established a partition in international law of 80% of the Palestine Mandate (now known as Jordan) east of the Jordan River as the Arab part of Palestine under the British clients, the Hashemites. All Jews whom had settled east of the Jordan River were removed by the Brits, and everything west of the Jordan was named in San Remo as the future Jewish state, which is the sole reason Britain had the mandate in the first place.

In 1948, Jordan attacked Israel along with six other Arab states, etnically cleanes th eentire Jewosh popu;lation from Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem and illegaly occupied for 19 years...even the UN nver recognized it as legal.

In 1967, Jordan attacked Israel again, but were tossed out. Israel regained the area ( which was always supposed to have been theirs anyway) and have held in now for 45 years. Calling it 'occupied' or a 'colony' might have been true when Jordan occupied it and actually brought Arabs into th eregion to attempt to make it their own.. It isn't now. And BTW, there were no 'Palestinian' Arabs until after 1967 and no movement fo ra 'Palestinian' state.until after the Jews reclaimed their property. And even then, unlike the Arabs, they allowed the Arab residents of Judea and Samaria to remain and didn't simply chase them over the Jordan back to their actual country, Jordan. They actually thought they could live with them in peace!

Oh, those roads? Just like Israel's security barrier, they're necessary because of the 'Palestinians' violence and terrorism against civilians. The biggest mistake Israel ever made was allowing Bill Clinton to convince them to allow Yasser Arafat and his murderous thugs back into the region from Tunis after Oslo.
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love am... to Rob 2012/04/17 01:48:07

THANK YOU FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE!

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Tim Goebel 2012/04/17 00:06:18

No

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Any one who makes this claim is speaking ignorant foolishness, or has an ulterior motive. Israel is a democracy where average citizens of Arabic decent are better of than ANYWHERE else in the Middle East.

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Paul Foster 2012/04/17 00:05:35

No

There should always be an "I Don't Know" option.

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Step Up... to Paul Fo... 2012/04/17 00:19:12

Good idea! Just added

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Steven 2012/04/16 23:58:50

No

No,Israel isn't a Apartheid State.Because Israel is surrounded by other crazy states,that want to destroy Israel.If Israel protects their state,from crazy people and mad terrorists.Then i gladly-support Israel,let's please stop the craziness.

Steven.

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David Shaw 2012/04/16 23:58:15

Yes

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Israel is bone of contention for all the problems in world whether they are in Afghanistan or in USA.

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Rob to David Shaw 2012/04/17 01:31:59

There are Israelis in Afghanistan? *chuckle* There may be a number of Jews serving in our forces there...but no Israelis, trust me.

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