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Is human civilization a success or failure?

R7494 2012/05/12 17:13:56
Human civilization is an amazing success, nonwithstanding errors.
Human civilization is a moderate success, there are many severe problems with it such as destruction of ecosystems, pollution, exploitation, etc.
Neutral, I don't know if it is a success or not.
Human civilization is a moderate failure, its emphasis on human supremacy is wrong, however unindustrialized societies like tribes are acceptable
Human civilization is a complete failure, it is a fraud based on human supremacy, all civilization leads to parasitical human behaviour exploiting nature and fellow humans.
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This is a question to which I do not have a clear answer. What I do know is that I have had doubts. It seems very possible to me that civilization may be the fraud and the lie that has led to so many others that have led to such high expectations when in fact humans are just an animal species led by instincts of survival, territoriality, and reproduction that we disguise with civilized language.

For instance, human civilization has indeed been genius enough to construct massive architectural masterpieces formed from science and mathematics and devices created out of genius. But have all these creations really benefited the human species in the long run? Countries face overpopulation, humans are so numerous and expanding that we have destroyed much of the world's ecosystems, we have driven multiple animal and plant species to extinction, and our political systems have consistently failed to deliver their utopian promises of a "better world" - instead more commonly delivering red-tape bureaucratic corruption or war.

With people so apathetic about the political process, and the irrational partisan politics or politics based on scapegoating, I am quite literally asking whether human civilization is worth the costs and were humans better off as being at the same level with other animal species before civilization arose?
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  • Xerxes,Phantom of PHAET 2012/05/12 17:16:18
    Human civilization is a complete failure, it is a fraud based on human suprem...
    Xerxes,Phantom of PHAET
    +5
    I can tell you from personal experience, humans only project a thin veneer of civility

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  • Hello. 2012/06/03 11:20:25
    Human civilization is a moderate success, there are many severe problems with...
    Hello.
    There are many achievements us humans have made throughout the centuries but there are also many problems we have created or cannot solve.
  • Red_Horse 2012/05/15 07:24:55
  • R7494 Red_Horse 2012/05/23 04:08:31 (edited)
    R7494
    +1
    Well, typically people notice it far too late in life to adjust to it. Civilization for me is a thing that exists, it has a lot of nonsense in it, but I am too far into life and the system of civilization to escape. I personally wish that it were a success, and I hope that my view will change to view it as a success if I see change. I find half of civilization pure comedy in its insanity, and another quarter horrifying, and the final quarter being people like myself just getting by, living, and accepting that there exists in nature symbiosis of living things helping other living things, part of civilization is based on this, but much of it isn't. In spite of my pessimism I strive to be helpful to others and I work within the system.

    I have written a story about what I am more concerned about, that is when some sort of methodical, organized political person becomes far more disillusioned and angry than I or others here could be on this matter, and becomes some kind of anarcho-naturalist revolutionary terrorist who wants to attempt to methodically destroy civilization, step by step - in a Marxian-like development of dissolution. They would fight with modern-day weapons in the beginning - justifying it as necessary to fight with such weapons at first to be able to compete and infl...

    Well, typically people notice it far too late in life to adjust to it. Civilization for me is a thing that exists, it has a lot of nonsense in it, but I am too far into life and the system of civilization to escape. I personally wish that it were a success, and I hope that my view will change to view it as a success if I see change. I find half of civilization pure comedy in its insanity, and another quarter horrifying, and the final quarter being people like myself just getting by, living, and accepting that there exists in nature symbiosis of living things helping other living things, part of civilization is based on this, but much of it isn't. In spite of my pessimism I strive to be helpful to others and I work within the system.

    I have written a story about what I am more concerned about, that is when some sort of methodical, organized political person becomes far more disillusioned and angry than I or others here could be on this matter, and becomes some kind of anarcho-naturalist revolutionary terrorist who wants to attempt to methodically destroy civilization, step by step - in a Marxian-like development of dissolution. They would fight with modern-day weapons in the beginning - justifying it as necessary to fight with such weapons at first to be able to compete and inflict significant damage on civilization, and would claim that later such technology would no longer be needed. It may seem like a joke, and I know that it would fail because human organization to achieve any political goal - no matter what it is - is often begun, and is always infiltrated by, narcissists. And a dangerous narcissist with violent behaviour when they gain the power and the autonomy they desire, they will massacre people, and develop their cause into a cult of fanatics. Such a fanatic movement would be like the old anarchists of the late 19th century - bombing places, killing world leaders, but probably not achieving much else but lost life and grief for those who would suffer because of their fanaticism - but if they truly believed in what they were doing they would be a dangerous menace.

    When people come to the conclusion that something that they believed in or were indoctrinated to believe in is nonsense or fraud they have three options: repression (ignoring it), realizing it is comedy (acceptance that it exists, but thinking it is a stupid thing to live with), or opposition.(fighting it). Though the last option seems more courageous, it is the most dangerous - the experience of history reveals that we only consider people "courageous" if they achieved something intended and admirable result, they are considered "foolhardy" if the same behaviour produces an undesired pathetic result. Thus I prefer to view much of civilization as comedy.
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  • Red_Horse R7494 2012/05/23 05:02:54
  • sjalan 2012/05/13 05:28:28
    Human civilization is a complete failure, it is a fraud based on human suprem...
    sjalan
    AND I think we have done it before some 12000-15000 years ago when the legends of the ancients come from in our history.
  • Dagon 2012/05/13 05:22:30
  • Rowena Ravenclaw 2012/05/13 03:29:48 (edited)
    Human civilization is a complete failure, it is a fraud based on human suprem...
    Rowena Ravenclaw
    FAIL. MAJOR FAIL. COMPLETE FAIL. :/
  • Greatkibble 2012/05/13 01:45:41
    Human civilization is a complete failure, it is a fraud based on human suprem...
    Greatkibble
    Deceptive governments;
    'fraudulent' companies selling bogus;
    junk food ads spammed all over television;
    a society that places looks above all else along with that great desire to always have the latest trends;
    the majority of the global populance so naive as to laugh at these very same dangers here. *sigh*
  • Bigbrowneyes 2012/05/12 22:07:47 (edited)
    Neutral, I don't know if it is a success or not.
    Bigbrowneyes
    Well in what terms are we speaking? Of survival? Since our population has gone up because of health discoveries and inventions that are spread through civilization, I suppose it's beneficial. doctor emoticon





    In terms of happiness, I don't think it matters if we're civilized or not. Problems will arise no matter how you live, and I don't believe happiness is correlated to the amount of complications one has in one's life, but to the amount of importance one attaches to different things.
  • GLaDOS 2012/05/12 18:26:41
    Human civilization is a moderate failure, its emphasis on human supremacy is ...
    GLaDOS
    But, that is our drive, to survive. We've just come up with ways that undermine many efforts nature may make to kill us prematurely.
  • Nancy~PWCM~JLA~POTL 2012/05/12 18:18:56 (edited)
    Neutral, I don't know if it is a success or not.
    Nancy~PWCM~JLA~POTL
    It seems as if civilization, technology and supremacy seem to have conflicting balance for survival and convenience sake. Cannot stagnate and remain in one place for too long. Try try again until we get it right. People invent and create and then move with it. I guess that is that is the plan until we either get it right or destroy ourselves . Survival of the fittest. I think your question is very complicated for a simple response.
  • POWERSHAKER 2012/05/12 18:06:02
    Neutral, I don't know if it is a success or not.
    POWERSHAKER
    +1
    I don't know. We sure do have a lot of problems in the world. :)
  • gregory.ditzler 2012/05/12 17:51:39
    Human civilization is a moderate success, there are many severe problems with...
    gregory.ditzler
    +1
    depends on which human civilizations your talking about, if we were more like the ancient Greeks and Romans we would be better.
  • R7494 gregory... 2012/05/23 04:41:43 (edited)
    R7494
    I suppose it does matter on the type of civilization. I notice that you use Nietzsche as a user image. I'm no expert on philosophy but the question I've asked seems a bit Nietzschean in its two more nihilistic options of view of human civilization. If I am not mistaken, the Greeks viewed history as cyclical in nature, that each society rises goes through a barbarian beginning, rises, and then reaches the peak of civilization and then collapses with a new society restarting the cycle, correct?
  • gregory... R7494 2012/05/23 16:45:13
    gregory.ditzler
    Well Nietzsche was an existentialist not a nihilist, existentialists believe that there is no meaning of life so we have the right to choose what our life means and what we dedicate our life to as opposed to a nihilist that just exists with out purpose. You are probably referring to the different ages of Greek mythology which talks about the previous cycles of human civilization in Greek mythology and how they were done in. However their wasn't really one Greek culture because of the existence of city states which all had different attitudes depending on what god or goddess was their patron. Athens was much more hedonistic than Sparta who's patron god was Aries the god of war but they all had a few things in common. They had respect for nature, their gods acted in a realistic manner in that if you committed a crime against them you could pay off your fine to them with a sacrifice, and as a society they were very inquisitive about the world around them. Nietzsche said the culture of the Greeks and Romans is superior to any since to religion of drunkenness(Christianity) had become mainstream.
  • R7494 gregory... 2012/05/23 22:00:20 (edited)
    R7494
    Western society today sure is drunk. Its goals are shallow - "make more money than last year", "produce more than last year", "do things cheaper". It is filled with advertisements and propaganda gimmicks that have either made the average person a mindless drone or for the more intelligent - but depressed - person, have made them completely apathetic to even helping people that they COULD help - in nature symbiosis exists between living things - but many humans will not even consider symbiotic behaviour - they are too selfish and stupid. Illegal prostitution run by pimps is perhaps the manifestation of what western capitalist civilization is today - enslave victims to work with threat of poverty or inability to make ends meet, use them to create situations to tempt others to pay them in exchange to get what they are tempted with and the pimp makes a lot of money and the prostitute makes a little. That's raw capitalism for what it is.
  • gregory... R7494 2012/05/23 23:22:42
    gregory.ditzler


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  • Human civilization is a complete failure, it is a fraud based on human suprem...
    Pixie·ŸŸMzAwesome♠ƤĦĂĔŢ♠
    +2
    I am waiting for that nasty virus that will wipe us out and earth can find a much better species to evolve...
  • Nancy~P... Pixie·Ÿ... 2012/05/12 18:20:31
    Nancy~PWCM~JLA~POTL
    The only thing that will survive is the coachroach.
  • Pixie·Ÿ... Nancy~P... 2012/05/12 18:30:56
    Pixie·ŸŸMzAwesome♠ƤĦĂĔŢ♠
    +1
    not nesssarly if it is virus...
  • Nancy~P... Pixie·Ÿ... 2012/05/12 18:36:44
    Nancy~PWCM~JLA~POTL
    coachroach historically always survives through time
  • Pixie·Ÿ... Nancy~P... 2012/05/12 18:37:48
    Pixie·ŸŸMzAwesome♠ƤĦĂĔŢ♠
    +2
    I am not saying it won't survive jsut that it wont be the only thing to survive...
  • Firefly 2012/05/12 17:35:57
    Human civilization is a moderate success, there are many severe problems with...
    Firefly
    As the saying goes...

    " Live and Learn "

    I pray that we do,

    and, honestly

    believe that

    we have ~

    and will...

    Peace

    ;0 )
  • Walaa 2012/05/12 17:17:28
    Neutral, I don't know if it is a success or not.
    Walaa
    I can relate to your statements and doubts, thats an idea that I thought about for a while and didnt reach an answer to.
  • Xerxes,Phantom of PHAET 2012/05/12 17:16:18
    Human civilization is a complete failure, it is a fraud based on human suprem...
    Xerxes,Phantom of PHAET
    +5
    I can tell you from personal experience, humans only project a thin veneer of civility
  • Pixie·Ÿ... Xerxes,... 2012/05/12 17:38:02
    Pixie·ŸŸMzAwesome♠ƤĦĂĔŢ♠
    +3
    agreed!
  • Xerxes,... Pixie·Ÿ... 2012/05/12 17:40:03
    Xerxes,Phantom of PHAET
    +1
    I believe humankind will not go out with a bang, but with a whimper
  • Pixie·Ÿ... Xerxes,... 2012/05/12 17:41:12
    Pixie·ŸŸMzAwesome♠ƤĦĂĔŢ♠
    +2
    I think a super virus from all the over crowding will take us out!
  • Xerxes,... Pixie·Ÿ... 2012/05/12 19:55:02
    Xerxes,Phantom of PHAET
    +3
    Probably, or it will at least thin the herd
  • Bill Pixie·Ÿ... 2012/05/12 20:53:57
  • Pixie·Ÿ... Bill 2012/05/13 01:58:08
    Pixie·ŸŸMzAwesome♠ƤĦĂĔŢ♠
    +1
    I have known people who have had that.

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