Is Germany's ruling on circumcision a protection against abuse or an abuse against religious freedom?

by kir Posted 2012/06/27 12:53:15

Related Topics: Germany, Free, Religious, Issues, Freedom, Abuse, Policies, Circumcision

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	Abuse against religious freedom	15 votes	21%
	Protection against abuse	36 votes	51%
	Undecided	19 votes	27%

There are a lot of issues when it comes to whether we allow free practice of all religious policies or not; the biggest concern is whether or not it causes risk to the individual. In the case of modern circumcision, there is little to no risk and the gain is a lower incidence of varying diseases.

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bob 2012/06/27 13:44:04 (edited)

Protection against abuse

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ritual circumcision comes from a time when government and religion worked hand in hand. Male and Female circumcision is no longer needed since we have better hygene. The uncircumcised just need to wash it. My son's ritual Jewish circumcision made me cringe and If it needed to be done, i'd rather a doctor do it. Putting fairy tale religionous belief along with medical procedures in unsafe.
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Linnster to Jiorgia 2012/06/27 18:47:32

There's a pretty big difference between infant male circumcision and honor killing, wouldn't you say?

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Jiorgia to Linnster 2012/06/28 02:47:09

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Shariah law is many many different rulings, not just honor killing.
It all just comes back to my original question, since when are we allowed to harm someone else based on our religion?
where do we draw the line, to you it seems that very painful unnecessary surgeries that carry many many risks and very few benefits is fine.
The Torah prohibits the torture or causing of pain to any living creature.

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Linnster to Jiorgia 2012/06/28 11:06:29

Yes, Sharia law has many different rulings, many of which are very painful if you follow it to the letter. Circumcision is painful for a short time and the health benefits down the road are many both for the man and for a woman. The Torah prohibits torture, yet it mandates that circumcision is a male child's covenant with God. It icertainly isn't nearly as painful as being stoned to death or beheaded.

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Jiorgia to Linnster 2012/06/28 12:10:01

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*some of which are very painful.

The problem with circumcision is the contraindications, not necessarily the pain of the act itself.

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Linnster to Jiorgia 2012/06/28 13:21:16

Unless they've come out with significantly different health information which I haven't read about, the rewards of circumcision are greater than the risks. At this point, I think we have to agree to disagree as we will not see eye to eye on this subject. :)

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Jiorgia to Linnster 2012/06/28 17:58:05

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Fair enough, agree to disagree it is.

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Linnster to Jiorgia 2012/06/29 02:49:32

Good. There does come a point when we've exhausted all of our ammunition and the other side hasn't been swayed. Thank you for a civil debate. Have a good night. :)

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joan.sl... to Linnster 2012/06/27 18:31:46

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I didn't read anything of the sort. They want to stop all infant circumcision. The logic is that it should be the individuals decision to make when he reaches the age of reason. I think the idea is reasonable and worth consideration.

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Linnster to joan.sl... 2012/06/27 18:49:40

To be circumcised as an infant is a relatively minor thing. To have it done when you're an adult is much more painful - ask any man that has had it done. Of course it's an idea worth consideration, unless you happen to be Jewish and it's a matter of religious rite.

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Odinsown 2012/06/27 13:45:43

Undecided

I don't know.

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Icarus 2012/06/27 13:44:24

Protection against abuse

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Ritual infant circumcision should definitely be outlawed. It's barbaric and abusive.

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Tony to Icarus 2012/06/27 17:05:06

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How? I went to a Bris once. Baby didn't even react to the circumcision.

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bob 2012/06/27 13:44:04 (edited)

Protection against abuse

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ritual circumcision comes from a time when government and religion worked hand in hand. Male and Female circumcision is no longer needed since we have better hygene. The uncircumcised just need to wash it. My son's ritual Jewish circumcision made me cringe and If it needed to be done, i'd rather a doctor do it. Putting fairy tale religionous belief along with medical procedures in unsafe.

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Jackie G - Poker Playing Pa... 2012/06/27 13:18:38

Abuse against religious freedom

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A direct attack on religious freedom

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santa6642 2012/06/27 13:16:09

Protection against abuse

it is a filty habbit born out of WWII. The germanys would tell the men to drop tjeir pants , and thecircumcision showed who were supposedly Jews. So We the free nations swore that would not happen again, so along came Circumcision as a health issue, Pure BS.

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kir to santa6642 2012/06/27 13:22:56

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You're not showing a great knowledge of Jewish history; circumcision was a practice among Jews long before there was a Germany; the Germans may have abused the religious practices of the Jews, but then again, preventing this practice is also doing the same thing.

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