Is Germany's ruling on circumcision a protection against abuse or an abuse against religious freedom?
kir
2012/06/27 12:53:15
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There are a lot of issues when it comes to whether we allow free practice of all religious policies or not; the biggest concern is whether or not it causes risk to the individual. In the case of modern circumcision, there is little to no risk and the gain is a lower incidence of varying diseases.
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Protection against abuse
+4ritual circumcision comes from a time when government and religion worked hand in hand. Male and Female circumcision is no longer needed since we have better hygene. The uncircumcised just need to wash it. My son's ritual Jewish circumcision made me cringe and If it needed to be done, i'd rather a doctor do it. Putting fairy tale religionous belief along with medical procedures in unsafe.
If they want to cut the skin off some little guys winkie that is their problem....
I live in the United States where WE HAVE THE FREEDOM, so far, TO WORSHIP AS WE SEE FIT. If a Jew wants to have a Bar Mitzva this is religious right guaranteed him by our constitution...
I have never been cut nor will I ever be...people don't like my junk they don't have to look.
The Jewish Sanhedrin nailed the Christ to a tree for the gold of the altar, God told the Jewish people no usury!!! Give back the land to the original families every 49 years and all will be well in Israel . Because the Sanhedrin liked the interest on Money and because God gave them no land but just a temple.
Israel used Usury to control the entire earth after God destroyed Israel for their sins.
NOW this same Sanhedrin controls Washington using the Federal Reserve System.
I am telling everyone here that the Earth and its wealth belongs to God and the debt the governments of the earth, the whore of Rome, Israel, false Church, Scriptural Church which was deceived by Lucifier, is owed to the Rod of Iron.
Israel took parts of scripture to justify causing world wars ignoring scripture God said would destroy ISRAEL.
They did this because they replaced God being in the center of religion Zionist believing only in physical world as themselves center of worship themselves as the center of the universe.
Demonic Levi wanting to kill Joseph. Levi waited to the third day after having circumcised he was going to kill knowing they was weak with fever. (sons of Jacob), Simeon and Levi, Dinah's brethren, took e...
The Jewish Sanhedrin nailed the Christ to a tree for the gold of the altar, God told the Jewish people no usury!!! Give back the land to the original families every 49 years and all will be well in Israel . Because the Sanhedrin liked the interest on Money and because God gave them no land but just a temple.
Israel used Usury to control the entire earth after God destroyed Israel for their sins.
NOW this same Sanhedrin controls Washington using the Federal Reserve System.
I am telling everyone here that the Earth and its wealth belongs to God and the debt the governments of the earth, the whore of Rome, Israel, false Church, Scriptural Church which was deceived by Lucifier, is owed to the Rod of Iron.
Israel took parts of scripture to justify causing world wars ignoring scripture God said would destroy ISRAEL.
They did this because they replaced God being in the center of religion Zionist believing only in physical world as themselves center of worship themselves as the center of the universe.
Demonic Levi wanting to kill Joseph. Levi waited to the third day after having circumcised he was going to kill knowing they was weak with fever. (sons of Jacob), Simeon and Levi, Dinah's brethren, took each man his sword, and came upon the city boldly, and slew all the males.
And they slew Hamor and Shechem his son with the edge of the sword, and took Dinah out of Shechem's house, and went out. sons of Jacob came upon the slain, and spoiled the city, because they had defiled their sister.
They took their sheep, and their oxen, and their asses, and that which was in the city, and that which was in the field, And all their wealth, and all their little ones, and their wives took they captive, and spoiled even all that was in the house.
And Jacob said to Simeon and Levi, Ye have troubled me to make me to stink among the inhabitants of the land, among the Canaanites and the Perizzites: and I being few in number, they shall gather themselves together against me, and slay me; and I shall be destroyed, I and my house.
Idolatry was done first by the House of Levi in charge historically of rituals of the one God of Abraham. Aaron as all paid religionists was a coward without Moses; difference between a real prophet and a wanna be.
Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden earrings, which are in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them and all the people brake off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron.
Aaron received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
TRIBE of Levi gets no land at all in Israel they are in charge of the temple. Sanhedrin loved money so much they worshiped Gold rather than God.
God told them all debts are canceled every 49 years if the obeyed they could dwell safely in the Land.
Sanhedrin never obeyed concerning money they was too greedy.
And ye shall perish among the heathen, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up.
And they that are left of you shall pine away in their iniquity in your enemies' lands; and also in the iniquities of their fathers shall they pine away with them. If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:
I looked up the ruling and the only thing that really scared me was that the Jews and Muslims were both on the same side on this one.
If they want to get circumcised, then wait for adulthood to decide.
Phimosis is rare and can often be treated with a steroid creme. Again, it is not something that really warrants such drastic preventative measures. If we follow your logic, one should go ahead and remove the tonsils and the appendix to prevent possible infections later.
Likewise, the more fine touch receptors and other highly erogenous nerve endings we possess in our genitals, the more we will enjoy sex.
The penis is covered with sensitive skin. This is one of the things that makes sex pleasurable. If you needlessly remove some of that skin, then you are going to reduce some of that pleasure.
A newborn baby boy, recovering from the stress of being born, all the new impressions, smells, the comforting touch of his mother.
Than suddenly taken away from his mother, into a room full of light, people are hurting him badly.
If he is lucky enough they will sedate the area.
At least at that moment there is no pain, but during the healingproces, there will be pain and discomfort.
What will this very negative experience do with a baby boy
For what should he suffer this treatment?
Hygiene !
A boy can be thought to learn the proper way to clean.
It it would prevent more of the "varying diseases" as you call them, why aren't those diseases on a all time high in Europe.
Having safe sex would be a rather less drastic option.
It is different ofcourse in African countries where HIV is very widespread, and condom use very low.
Than it will happen, with consent, to a man, out of medical reasons
In The Netherlands, the Royal Dutch Medical Association (KNMG) stated in 2010 that non-therapeutic male circumcision "conflicts with the child's right to autonomy and physical integrity."
They called on doctors to inform caregivers seeking the intervention of the (in their assessment) medical and psychologica...
A newborn baby boy, recovering from the stress of being born, all the new impressions, smells, the comforting touch of his mother.
Than suddenly taken away from his mother, into a room full of light, people are hurting him badly.
If he is lucky enough they will sedate the area.
At least at that moment there is no pain, but during the healingproces, there will be pain and discomfort.
What will this very negative experience do with a baby boy
For what should he suffer this treatment?
Hygiene !
A boy can be thought to learn the proper way to clean.
It it would prevent more of the "varying diseases" as you call them, why aren't those diseases on a all time high in Europe.
Having safe sex would be a rather less drastic option.
It is different ofcourse in African countries where HIV is very widespread, and condom use very low.
Than it will happen, with consent, to a man, out of medical reasons
In The Netherlands, the Royal Dutch Medical Association (KNMG) stated in 2010 that non-therapeutic male circumcision "conflicts with the child's right to autonomy and physical integrity."
They called on doctors to inform caregivers seeking the intervention of the (in their assessment) medical and psychological risks and lack of convincing medical benefits. They stated that there are as good reasons for legal prohibition of male circumcision as exist for female genital mutilation.
If it happens, it is out of religious reasons done for example by Jews ( as a baby) and Muslims ( when a boy is about 10, I don't know the exact age).
Yes, I consider it abusive toward that baby boy, it is in the same category as female genital mutilation.
"It conflicts with the child's right to autonomy and physical integrity."
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Among other things, circumcision causes nerve damage, and for the guys who have had it done as infants, they will never experience the sensation and exhilaration of sex that an intact penis can bring.