Is Free Lunch Program a Wonderful Idea or Another Wasteful Program?
Chris D
2012/07/05 17:00:00
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The free lunch program that is supposed to feed kids in need is really just a free lunch for anyone who shows up. Do you think it's a waste of tax payers' money?
FOXNEWS.COM reports:
FOXNEWS.COM reports:
Every summer across the country, more than 3 million children eat for free at more than 30,000 sites, from schools to recreation centers to migrant worker camps. It's a valuable resource for families who are struggling -- but, critics say, a convenient freebie for those who aren't.
Read More: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/05/taxpaye...
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Nick 2012/07/05 18:28:41Free lunch, please!
However, assuming you do feel that way, might it have occurred to you that if the guns were removed the children would still be fed by all those who support such programs anyway (as well as those who make private charitable donations yet do not support government intervention)?
Consider that such government programs would not be viable without significant support from the voters. Thus it is a majority of people who want to see these children fed, educated, etc. Is it reasonable to believe that if the force of the state, with its inefficiencies in management and reduction in resources due to the expense of having a middleman, were to be removed the children would then be left to starve or remain uneducated as this majority would suddenly not care for them? If that is unreasonable, why should we continue to accept as good threats of murder and kidnap as justifiable. Why should we anyway when such acts are considered immoral when committed by anyone else?
NO one is holding guns to kids heads, no one is threatening imprisonment in rape facilities... what the hell is a rape facility? What the hell are you even talking about????????
Rape is what happens in prison. I prefer to draw attention to the threats used by the government to coerce certain behaviors, such as surrendering one's income in order to avoid such places.
Taxes are acquired through violence or the threat of violence (mostly the latter).
Initiating force against someone is immoral and is thus an immoral way to solve social issues such as child hunger or education.
Had you read through my post you'd likely have understood it.
So what is the deal... you think kids getting a free lunch is a terrible thing and is the same as being raped?
T A, please correct me if I misinterpreted.
People who do not want to pay taxes, have no idea what is paid for with those taxes, that THEY reap the benefits from.
Think about it. Just drive down the street... who paid for that street? Who maintains it? The lights? The signs? You get knocked off the road by a drunk, who comes to rescue you? Firefighters? Police? Who takes care of you on the way to the hospital? Paramedics? Parks you take your kids to, who maintains those? Who mows the lawns and put in the play ground equipment? The sewer when you flush your toilet... who maintains this? Libraries? Schools? You name it... all tax dollars and we all benefit from all of these things.
You think private citizens should cover all of these things.. here is the truth, so many private citizens are trying to help those in need, there just is not enough to go around. Food banks never have enough food. Someone needs cancer treatment, no amount of donations would ever be enough. The greed and stupidity of overbreeding horses and many people trying to rescue these unwanted and starving horses and there are just not enough people to go around. But the greed continues in our society.
Did you bitch when Bush was POTUS about taxes? Reagan? Bush 1? Clinton? Again, they are the lowest in a very long time.
I am with you 100% on wasteful spending.. there is tons of waste in government. We all want it stopped. But only the tea baggers and the GOP prefer to allow things like medicare fraud and subsidies to oil companies and more benefits to a worthless congress. They prefer to continue these things, yet want to cut food aid to a hungry child? Does this make sense to you???????????
If I came to you and asked for 35% of your monthly income and I told you, "Don't worry, just trust me. I'm going to put this money to good use by using it to feed hungry children," would you give it to me? What would you do if I threatened you with a gun if you did not give it to me? Would you trust me at all to use the money for what I said I would use it for? It would probably piss you off and feel like a grievous violation of your property. That's how I feel about the government automatically helping themselves to the fruits of my labor. They do not deserve it, they did not earn it, they take it under force, and then they waste it on top of it all.
The bottom line is this: I would rather keep my money and voluntarily donate it to chariti...
If I came to you and asked for 35% of your monthly income and I told you, "Don't worry, just trust me. I'm going to put this money to good use by using it to feed hungry children," would you give it to me? What would you do if I threatened you with a gun if you did not give it to me? Would you trust me at all to use the money for what I said I would use it for? It would probably piss you off and feel like a grievous violation of your property. That's how I feel about the government automatically helping themselves to the fruits of my labor. They do not deserve it, they did not earn it, they take it under force, and then they waste it on top of it all.
The bottom line is this: I would rather keep my money and voluntarily donate it to charities that I KNOW will feed hungry people instead of being forced to give it to the government who MIGHT feed hungry people, but will probably just use it to resand beaches or study the sex life of crabs.
Privatizing a fire dept is as stupid as it comes. along with most any other services. It does not work. There is a man, who want to make his own fire dept and will only respond to the homes that have paid him the $30,000. This idiot does not even know what it takes to put out a fire let alone run a dept. 1 fire engine alone, no equipment, no hose, no nozzles, no valves, no BA's, no nothing.. just bare bones.. costs about $500,000. And it usually takes 3 engines for an average house fire.
This is one small example of how stupid this can get.
What did SUNUNU say to that Loon Andrea Mitchell? Oh yes. He said ANGELA you're STRUGGLING.
Dana is STRUGGLING.
I have always said take that responsibility away from the employer and have every American write a check to the IRS.
I would love to see the outcome of that.
Heck 50% of the people do not realize they are even paying taxes because they get a refund.
I have lived away from my mom since maybe 18 so 20-30 years. i was actually yelled at by her for the first time since then. Obviously I did a mistake because she had never had to pay income tax before. Then I explained to her and my brother explained to her (since I said fine I did it wrong have my brother do it) we are both CPAs.
To this day she still does not believe we did it correctly. She put me as a contact over her financial accounts and I now speak to them before they do anything. I keep it so that she doesn't have to pay any taxes each year. I also had her pay a little "extra" in to the IRS. Yes I realize it is her money... At the same time it is my sanity.
From that day forward I believed people actually believe it. It was an eye opener for sure.
Actually, after rereading I realized I could have written that much better.
She simply doesn't embrace common sense values nor does she have the ability to understand what others clearly post.
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I'll lay out the rape thing for you.
1) A law is passed to have lunches provided in schools for children of impoverished parents. (Quite a noble sentiment, btw)
2) Money is required to pay for these lunches.
3) Taxes are assessed to pay for these lunches.
4) The government informs the taxpayers of thhe rate increase to cover the additional expense.
5) Individual X chooses not to pay.
6) The government sends a letter informing Individual X that should he fail to pay, a lien will be assessed on his home or other valuables to cover the missing tax revenue.
7) Individual X continues to refuse to surrender his income.
8) A second letter (for brevity we will call this the final notice) is sent to Individual X notifying him that his property and assets will be seized and he is to vacate his home for auction in order that the government may collect.
9) Individual X refuses to leave his home/surrender his other assets.
10) Police arrive to forcefully eject Individual X from his home.
11a) Individual X attempts to use equivalent fo...
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I'll lay out the rape thing for you.
1) A law is passed to have lunches provided in schools for children of impoverished parents. (Quite a noble sentiment, btw)
2) Money is required to pay for these lunches.
3) Taxes are assessed to pay for these lunches.
4) The government informs the taxpayers of thhe rate increase to cover the additional expense.
5) Individual X chooses not to pay.
6) The government sends a letter informing Individual X that should he fail to pay, a lien will be assessed on his home or other valuables to cover the missing tax revenue.
7) Individual X continues to refuse to surrender his income.
8) A second letter (for brevity we will call this the final notice) is sent to Individual X notifying him that his property and assets will be seized and he is to vacate his home for auction in order that the government may collect.
9) Individual X refuses to leave his home/surrender his other assets.
10) Police arrive to forcefully eject Individual X from his home.
11a) Individual X attempts to use equivalent force to the police to retain his real property and assets. Individual X cannot match the force of the police. He is murdered.
11b) Individual X resists peacefully.
12b) Individual X is charged with resisting a lawful order to vacate and resisting arrest.
13b) Individual X is tried and convicted and sentenced to N months in state prison. State prison is a dangerous place full of murderers and other violent offenders and a place where rape is a common occurrence.
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This chain of events is essentially the same for any law. The only power the government has is the power to imprison and kill. It is that, and the conviction of the population that such is moral, that allows it to operate.
None of us would operate like that in our private lives. Why would we allow, or rather encourage others to do so?
However, if inefficiency were the worst part I would take no issue with it at all. However, it is the use of force with which I take issue (I'm pretty sure that you're tired of hearing it, in fact). ;0)
All of these services can be provided on the open market (private for-profit and non-profit) at a lower cost. Initially that may not always be the case as using money garnered through force, especially the minimal force of a scary letter, is quite an efficient way of obtaining the funds to pro...
However, if inefficiency were the worst part I would take no issue with it at all. However, it is the use of force with which I take issue (I'm pretty sure that you're tired of hearing it, in fact). ;0)
All of these services can be provided on the open market (private for-profit and non-profit) at a lower cost. Initially that may not always be the case as using money garnered through force, especially the minimal force of a scary letter, is quite an efficient way of obtaining the funds to provide these services. However, because there is no reason for those who provide these services to be efficient or competitive in their use, those services tend to deteriorate whilst the costs of those services increase. That option is not available in a free market, and thus those who wish to remain in operation, either as a charity or for-profit, have to improve or be replaced by someone better able to meet the demands of the customer/donor.
The best part about the free-market though is that it completely avoids the immorality of using violence to achieve its ends. Voluntary cooperation is just and more efficient in the long run.
I could go on all day... but do you see that absolute lunacy of this? IT is crazy! WILL NOT WORK! That is why we have the system we have! So we all pay a little, all the time, and it keeps these services up and running, along w/ all the rest.
Yes there is waste, everywhere, that needs to be addressed. But you want to take away a meal from a hungry child? Why not stop trying to understand the sex life of a crab! Palin needed millions for that project and she got it! Crabs sex life, instead of lunch for a child who may only get that one meal a day. That is pathetic.
It is fairly obvious that you find great discomfort in in the concept of a non-violent, voluntary society, that you are approving of coercion of others and yourself, that lack of coercive force actually terrifies you and that you would rather make fallacious accusations about my desire to take away a meal from a hungry child than have an honest discussion in the hopes of not having to face the immorality of threatening people. I will not continue to agitate you in this regard (in this thread).
Is it that hard to understand ?
Do you hate equally? Or just hungry children?
Get a Paycheck lately .... did you volunteer those deductions or were they mandatory ?
Send your Income Tax in last April ... why, nobody is confiscating it or forcing you to do it ... right ?
Pay your Real Estate Tax yet this year ... why/why not ?
Buy any gasoline today .... you likely payed about .50 cent per gallon Tax .... didn't know that, did you .... did you volunteer to pay it or was it confiscated from you ?
I love kids .... I despise those who steal from me using a child as a shield.
My entire property tax bill including school tax, fire dept tax, etc... all the basic stuff, and most of it is just tax on the home and property, rest is less than 10% total of the bill, is less than $1000/year.
We pay twice per year ... little one is due in late winter, big one due before October ... and we're cheap in comparison to New Jersey.
Hey, compassion and giving is noble and what we all should do and do willingly .... your compassion can't feasibly exceed your wallet in any way other than being a volunteer of time ... can't work.
Look at Cal now ... I'm reading of towns falling like flies due to financial stress. It had/has to happen and it will get ugly.
Philly is dying, they've killed the Golden Goose. Crime there is rampant and good employment is scarce. City Council has taxed good paying employers right out of the city ... they've left !
They continually scrape the bottom of the barrel in effort to conjure up a New Tax when there is no more ... we're running on an ever shrinking wallet + purse.
Now, since you Blessed me with your brilliance, let me ask you about this aspect ... " I believe we all will reap what we sow and your ( You're in Catholic School ) in for a hell of an awakening when you finally meet up with God. "
............... are you saying that those who intentionally reproduce, generally knowing they can't provide, will be penalized by God for forcing others to provide for their offspring ?
That would fall under a couple Commandments, would it not ... ' Thou shall not Covet thy neighbors Goods ' ... ' Thou shall not Steal '
How is it you have a problem with ' Paying your own way ' ?
My guess is, your against abortion, am I correct? Yet you hate children from poor families. Many people get abortions because they are afraid they can not raise that baby with their limited amount of income. But the GOP is trying to make that illegal. Which way are you floating this week? Or minute rather?
If I'm not mistaken, the GOP wants Fed Funds out of abortion ... huge diff between that and making it illegal. But there again, you want someone else to fund your action(s) and lack of responsible behaviour ... to be expected.
Sorry I put one over your head ... it's more than obvious you are not a product of Catholic School and I wasn't inferring you are in Catholic School. In Catholic School they teach you when to use your or you're .... sorry if that did a Fly-By, but we Sub-Humans do take note of the lack of education.
Have no worries about " pulling garbage on me " .... I'll make it on my own as I have for more years than you can count and I won't need you or your limited supply of cash or intellect to assist me.