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Chris D 2012/07/05 17:00:00
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The free lunch program that is supposed to feed kids in need is really just a free lunch for anyone who shows up. Do you think it's a waste of tax payers' money?

FOXNEWS.COM reports:
Every summer across the country, more than 3 million children eat for free at more than 30,000 sites, from schools to recreation centers to migrant worker camps. It's a valuable resource for families who are struggling -- but, critics say, a convenient freebie for those who aren't.
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  • Nick 2012/07/05 18:28:41
    Free lunch, please!
    Nick
    +34
    Hungry children can't learn well, and being hungry and broke is not their fault

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  • intoler... Dana 2012/07/07 19:56:28
    intolerantrwj
    ..... gonna make it easy for you .... one of 2 taxes ... either eliminate the IRS and institute a National Sales Tax

    or go to a Flat Income Tax

    Go ahead, tell me how it hurts only the poor or the children.

    Subsidy to oil company .... you're correct, we should all get a Oil Royalty as in Alaska ... ooppss, you wouldn't like that, Palin's State does that

    Congress ... screw 'em, and the guy your Dream Prez touts has the method ....

    Warren Buffet [sic] is asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to do likewise. In three days, most people in The United States of America will have the message. This is one idea that really should be passed around.

    Congressional Reform Act of 2011

    1. No Tenure / No Pension. A Congressman/woman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they're out of office.

    2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security. All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.

    3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.

    4. Congress will no lo...













    ..... gonna make it easy for you .... one of 2 taxes ... either eliminate the IRS and institute a National Sales Tax

    or go to a Flat Income Tax

    Go ahead, tell me how it hurts only the poor or the children.

    Subsidy to oil company .... you're correct, we should all get a Oil Royalty as in Alaska ... ooppss, you wouldn't like that, Palin's State does that

    Congress ... screw 'em, and the guy your Dream Prez touts has the method ....

    Warren Buffet [sic] is asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to do likewise. In three days, most people in The United States of America will have the message. This is one idea that really should be passed around.

    Congressional Reform Act of 2011

    1. No Tenure / No Pension. A Congressman/woman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they're out of office.

    2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security. All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.

    3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.

    4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

    5. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.

    6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.

    7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen/women are void effective 1/1/12. The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen/women.

    Congressmen/women made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.





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  • Dana intoler... 2012/07/07 20:00:12
    Dana
    +1
    And? So we agree on something? What a miracle.
  • intoler... Dana 2012/07/07 20:20:32
    intolerantrwj
    +1
    ..... see that, it didn't hurt one bit to have a realist thought, did it !
  • WinterLynn intoler... 2012/07/22 00:28:13
    WinterLynn
    +1
    I was going to respond to Dana but she blocked me. I suppose the truth was just too painful for her to accept. It happens.

    Here send Dana this **** Its all about PAYING their FAIR SHARE.

    I doubt Dana will read and listen as we all know that Liberals really do not have OPEN MINDS or MINDS in general for that matter.

    Here's the link:

    http://www.foxnews.com/on-air...
  • intoler... WinterLynn 2012/07/22 17:18:11
    intolerantrwj
    .... that's something I refuse to do Lynn .... I Block nobody.

    One must always keep in mind when discussing topics such as this with someone ' Dyed in the Wool ' against you ... it's not always a dope you're arguing with.
    Oft time it's a good person, smart as you or I, who has lived in households led by that very mindset who has simply passed it down to the next generation ... and then school reaffirms that same parental mindset for 12, maybe 16 yrs ... tough to flush all that indoctrination.

    My reply to Barry about his thought on ' You didn't do it without Feds or Fed money '

    ' Sir, you're absolutely correct ! Without the Government building those sidewalks and street-corners, Hookers + Drug Dealers would have nowhere to ply their wares '


    ........ sent that thought to a few Talk Shows ... interested to see if the thought surfaces ' On Air ' < s >
  • intoler... volley15 2012/07/07 14:31:06
    intolerantrwj
    ..... oh no Volley, I got it.

    You're of the opine that if it's about school it's great and if it's labeled ' For the Children ' anyone who takes the thought to task is some sort of mental midget .... pretty close ?

    What you overlook is the Big Picture which I've previously mentioned .... you know, the root of it ...

    ................ Who is going to pay for it all ? ? ?
  • T A intoler... 2012/07/05 20:01:51
    T A
    +1
    The problem is peoples' willingness to use guns to acquire funding for their pet causes.

    At least you (and I) can be proud to have provided for our own children's educations, even while laboring to pay for other people's children simultaneously (and permanently).
  • intoler... T A 2012/07/07 14:38:19
    intolerantrwj
    +1
    .... Amen !
  • WinterLynn intoler... 2012/07/22 00:23:25
    WinterLynn
    +1
    Brilliant. However, those of the ENTITLEMENT mindset will never get it.
  • intoler... WinterLynn 2012/07/22 17:19:49
    intolerantrwj
    .... remember Lynn, it's a Drummed In mindset and there's a very vocal Pied Piper leading them.
  • WinterLynn intoler... 2012/07/22 00:22:28
    WinterLynn
    +1
    BINGO!!!!!!!!
  • meme14 intoler... 2012/07/05 18:52:44
    meme14
    +3
    the food stamp program does work - and so does the free lunch program. I don't think you will ever get rid of all fraud..but there should be enforceable guidelines..I don't have a problem with either..it's great for those within the poverty guidelines..I just feel for those who don't quite meet the guidelines..I missed the guidelines for my son to get any kind of break on his lunch by some ridiculously small number when he was younger...I gaurantee some of those poor families had more food than us. I would go to the grocery store and have let's say $30 to spend and I had to make that work for a few days...I see some poor people doing way better than that. But I don't begrudge them their food stamps or their lunch. The bottom line is no one wants a kid to go hungry. But, Sometimes people can seem to have money on paper..but in reality maybe they are paying for their own medical costs and there's a major illness or a fire, a death..etc.....it just seems like the ONLY help that is available considers only income without any consideration for extenuating circumstances.
  • smitty meme14 2012/07/05 21:36:16
    smitty
    +2
    So let's take this lunch program a little further. The school losing some of its funding. The school decides to shorten its day and get rid of extracurricular activities to save money. So what does school do it packs a lunch for the kids (on the program) and sends them home.

    My wife asked a kid one day "Can't you make a PB&J sandwhich?" My husband makes my kids lunches all the time. Kids response? That is too much work when I can get it for free and mom is too lazy. Yeah.. Social programs breeds laziness. Short term programs are fine.
  • meme14 smitty 2012/07/05 23:10:48
    meme14
    I don't doubt that 'a' kid said that..that may have been his perception and maybe even that kid's reality. Some kids today..and all throughout history..are brats - they think their mom is lazy..but the reality is she worked the midnight shift and she's tired..she didn't pack a lunch because she knew he got one at school..but she's willing to do anything in her power to make sure her child is fed - one day he will mature enough to reason and one day he will appreciate his mother..but not today. That is just the immature nature of a 'child'..it is what it is...or maybe she is lazy...maybe she is hungover and she isn't going to make him one. Maybe the dad is a cheap ass and won't provide..Whatever - the kid is still a dependent...he is dependent for his care and he suffers from the lack thereof. The mother (or father) can have a mental illness, drug problem, or maybe they're just mean and neglectful..schools are generally a safe place..where there is structure and normalcy for kids in trouble..I worry most about kids that are home schooled..that's when you hear the worst stories..You say it breeds laziness...I say it protects a child. I have heard many times - stories of poverty or of neglect...whichever..and the kid relied on those school lunches. Have you ever read 'Glass Castles' - it's an excellent memoir of someone who survived extreme poverty -
  • smitty meme14 2012/07/17 20:08:50
    smitty
    No I have never read it. I wish I would have saw this prior to my vacation I may have started it.

    "but the reality is she worked the midnight shift and she's tired.."

    No I am sorry to say that is not the case. Most of the kids parent(s)/guardians are on a state subsidized program or in jail. 90% of them do not work. They are not looking for jobs either because they make more off the state than working and they do not have to do anything. Everything is provided for them. One parent that my wife had to visit was extremely overweight. She had broken 3 previously scheduled parent teacher conferences. The school informed my wife she would have to go to their residence and another teacher would have to go as well. This could only be done on school time.

    My wife rang the bell and woman said come in. A woman was sitting on the couch wrapped in a bed sheet. She said she couldn't answer the door because she had no clothes on because was too tired to get off the couch. This is the type of parent these kids have. This is what they have to aspire to.
  • meme14 smitty 2012/07/21 15:45:35
    meme14
    +1
    I just got back from vacation too - and I agree some people are just depressed or lazy or something...my sister is a social worker and in the beginning she was falling over herself trying to help these people until she realized that some of them were actually content and didn't really want her help. I won't deny that it exists. I worry for the kids and I am guessing that mental illness factors into that as well. In that book, and really you should read it...It is the best book I have ever read - those kids were victims of their parents and pretty much that is the reality..children are dependent..so, I still say keep the lunches..the parents don't eat them..the kids do..I don't know what society in general can do to make parents act like actual parents. I think the best that we can hope for is for the kids to break the cycle.
  • smitty meme14 2012/07/23 13:46:02
    smitty
    +1
    Sadly I agree. It is tough when we put kids into the mix. I could go off on a whole soapbox but I won't. I have a lot of work today.

    Currently, I have 6 books by Melanie Rawn (sci-fi fantasy) that I have downloaded on my tablet. I have read one and in the middle of the second. It will be a while before I get to it.
  • meme14 smitty 2012/07/23 21:53:11
    meme14
    +1
    It is sad..the thing is..at least we know the lunches get to those kids..with food stamps and other programs..those same thoughtless parents could be selling them for drugs or whatever...I sometimes think there should be some drug testing in place for food stamps...but..I think those tests are so fallible there could be a bunch of lawsuits..and really hardcore addicts can beat those tests...so..I dunno..but on another note..someone accessed my bank account numbers today and almost drained my account..right after vacation..I didn't have much..but I damn sure needed what I did have..lol..so ignorant!
  • smitty meme14 2012/07/24 13:49:26
    smitty
    ".those same thoughtless parents could be selling them for drugs or whatever.." Sadly they do. The street price for Riddlin is 6 bucks per pill for example.

    oh man that is rough.. The other day someone tried to access one of my kids college accounts. Good thing we never set it up on line. If I ever meet that person I hope it is in a very dark alley.
  • WinterLynn smitty 2012/07/22 00:42:47
    WinterLynn
    +1
    According to MOO~c~HELL~e Obama we have a CHILD OBESITY problem in America so why do we need a FREE LUNCH program? Just who are these skinny unfed children? This is just another way for lazy irresponsible parents to dump their kids aka RESPONSIBILITY onto the backs of the American Taxpayers.

    Yes they look to be starving. NOT.
    Fat school children Fat school children Fat school children
  • smitty WinterLynn 2012/07/23 13:46:45
    smitty
    I agree. PArents are too lazy to make a good dinner.. so they hit Mickey D's.
  • WinterLynn smitty 2012/07/23 14:04:08
    WinterLynn
    +1
    Exactly. This is what happens when we allow liberals to continue their crusade in pushing everyone out of the workforce and onto the government teat. If we don't stop all of these ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS that have FAILED for decades than America is done. We the taxpayers cannot continue to carry these lazy irresponsible freeloaders on our backs. Sooner or later we too run out of money. These parents who send their children to school without breakfast is mostly out of laziness. Investigations need to start happening. These parents who depend on others to do what they as parents should be doing need a reality check.

    1. If you cannot take care of what you produce than you need not produce it (Children.)

    2. If you're down and out we'll be more than happy to help you with a Hand Up vs a hand out so that they the parents can get back on track in taking care of their responsibilities.

    3. Those who are receiving free breakfasts and lunches 18 and under and who come from families who have money but send their kids over for freebies need to pay a fine of at least $5000.00 and also have to do 200+ hours of community service.

    I volunteer an X amount of hours serving food at shelters and raising money for those in need in our community but I get a little irritated when I see these so called...








    Exactly. This is what happens when we allow liberals to continue their crusade in pushing everyone out of the workforce and onto the government teat. If we don't stop all of these ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS that have FAILED for decades than America is done. We the taxpayers cannot continue to carry these lazy irresponsible freeloaders on our backs. Sooner or later we too run out of money. These parents who send their children to school without breakfast is mostly out of laziness. Investigations need to start happening. These parents who depend on others to do what they as parents should be doing need a reality check.

    1. If you cannot take care of what you produce than you need not produce it (Children.)

    2. If you're down and out we'll be more than happy to help you with a Hand Up vs a hand out so that they the parents can get back on track in taking care of their responsibilities.

    3. Those who are receiving free breakfasts and lunches 18 and under and who come from families who have money but send their kids over for freebies need to pay a fine of at least $5000.00 and also have to do 200+ hours of community service.

    I volunteer an X amount of hours serving food at shelters and raising money for those in need in our community but I get a little irritated when I see these so called people coming in with 4 to 6 children and many times another baby on the way with cell phones, their nails done and lots of nice jewelry. The money they spend on unnecessary BS vs spending that money on feeding their children raises a red flag with me.

    We need to stop enabling those who can work by making them uncomfortable in their poverty.

    Ben Franklin said this:

    children raises red flag enabling work uncomfortable poverty ben franklin
    “I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”

    ― Benjamin Franklin
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  • smitty WinterLynn 2012/07/23 14:29:36
    smitty
    +1
    I hate to say this. Both you and I know it's true. There are people (social workers as well) that learn how to beat the system.

    Heck why work at minimum wage when the government will give your and mine tax dollars so they won;t have to work and get the same amount. Plus free healthcare... That's like an extra 10-20 grand per yer bonus.

    If you are down and out sure we can help. Limited time only. I applaud some of the people in my field that have been laid off. My age as well. which is scary because a few of them are my daughter's friend's fathers.

    They are working at fast food joints and other such places. They are working though. Then again I live in a very conservative place in Ohio.
  • intoler... meme14 2012/07/07 14:42:29
    intolerantrwj
    +3
    .... a helping hand is just us Meme14 ... we're Americans and that's in our genes.

    However, just as you mention the $ 30 dollars only going so far, similarly the Tax Dollar has it's limit ... as does the Tax Base.

    Believe me Meme, were it up to me I'd feed the entire world Surf + Turf daily .... I can't afford it and neither can the Country.
  • WinterLynn intoler... 2012/07/23 14:07:26
    WinterLynn
    +1
    Bingo. I too have only so much money I can give esp. now that as a business owner my taxes have almost quadrupled so I am no longer able to give as much. Like you said. Sooner or later tax $$$$$ run out.
  • WinterLynn meme14 2012/07/22 00:35:17 (edited)
    WinterLynn
    +1
    Remember this.

    Those who DEPEND on others to provide for them all that they want and need can easily find that those who provide every thing can easily take it ALL away just as fast.



    No Entitlements No Entitlements No Entitlements

    You see We the People are generous IF the GOVERNMENT gets out of our way. When we are FORCED to have what we work for legally STOLEN and redistributed then over time it fails.

    You cannot expect to TAKE from one group of people and hand it all to another group of people and then expect it to work. Sooner or later the money runs out and then EVERYONE finds themselves EQUALLY POOR and living in SQUALLER.

    Americans give to charities but when they have their contributions taken then their is nothing left to give.

    Wise up.
  • meme14 WinterLynn 2012/07/22 01:31:25
    meme14
    I, personally, have no problem with lunches at schools...if it helps sustain needy children..who are at the mercy of neglectful or troubled parents..I am ok with that - call me a stupid liberal..or whatever bitter name you'd like...but, I will always and forever lean toward helping those children - if you experienced poverty as a child you would understand. My son never qualified for free lunches..but after my mom and dad divorced..my sister and I got them..and thank God too. And if that pisses you off..so be it..
  • WinterLynn meme14 2012/07/22 03:30:06 (edited)
    WinterLynn
    I didn't say children should be left to starve. You missed the point that I was making because you decided you want to be RIGHT regardless of the fact that I never said kids should be left to those who neglect them. Go back and read think and then get back to me.
  • meme14 WinterLynn 2012/07/22 04:15:31
    meme14
    You are arguing against free lunches - correct? I am for them - I have no problem with them...Your first sentence..might just as well describe a child, they are dependents...
    "Those who DEPEND on others to provide for them all that they want and need can easily find that those who provide every thing can easily take it ALL away just as fast."

    I simply stated my opinion...
  • WinterLynn meme14 2012/07/22 04:24:07
    WinterLynn
    If you want to take what I posted out of context so that you can justify your silliness than go for it. I'm all for 1st amendment rights and your choice to be intentionally ignorant.
  • meme14 WinterLynn 2012/07/22 04:29:58
    meme14
    WTF are you even talking about - I answered the question posted and you commented with some stupid sh*t..take your 1st amendment rights and comment on someone elses stuff
  • WinterLynn meme14 2012/07/23 14:15:35
    WinterLynn
    Sorry that you feel offended by my point. I don't have a problem helping children. I don't like to see kids going hungry however their comes a time when these parents need to step up to the plate and start taking care of their responsibilities. That is all I was trying to say. When we enable people to depend on others 100% than we're not helping that at all. What we are doing is setting them up for failure. Help them with a hand up but over a certain period of time they have to learn that its up to them to get their lives in order and start doing what they need to do to take care of their kids. The more provisions we give to the poor only makes them poorer. The less they get over time will push them to do what they need to do so that they can pull themselves out of poverty. I apologize if I offended you. It was not my intentions but I don't mulch care for when others make it sound like Americans are uncaring. We are a very generous Nation and we give what we can to help those in need but when PUSHED and FORCED to have our money taken from us and handed over to programs that we may not support is wrong.

    That was my point.
  • meme14 WinterLynn 2012/07/23 23:26:38 (edited)
    meme14
    I don't really think we disagree so much - I am all for parental responsibility..I work everyday..and had to go back to work when my son was only 3 mths old..he's 21 - I've always worked..I think able bodied people should work..and I think if you have a child it's a blessing and it's a big responsibility...and it should be something that a parent does lovingly and willingly...but - unfortunately - things aren't so black and white..people aren't just good or bad..some are mentally ill...sometimes men after a divorce go out of their way to make life difficult for their ex wives..and don't care if it hurts the children..some are abusive but their kids are loyal to them..relationships are complicated..there are nothing but shades gray.
    I think rather than to do away with a free lunch program...because we know that the children actually see that food and the parents can't abuse it...the food stamp program should be made to be more fraud proof..maybe put the users photo on their card so that they can't sell their food stamps...that would be easy enough. maybe food banks should be for laid off people or people who have exhausted their unemployment and can't find work..or the working poor rather than to also help people on food stamps. The same people get help compounded by help..and...
    I don't really think we disagree so much - I am all for parental responsibility..I work everyday..and had to go back to work when my son was only 3 mths old..he's 21 - I've always worked..I think able bodied people should work..and I think if you have a child it's a blessing and it's a big responsibility...and it should be something that a parent does lovingly and willingly...but - unfortunately - things aren't so black and white..people aren't just good or bad..some are mentally ill...sometimes men after a divorce go out of their way to make life difficult for their ex wives..and don't care if it hurts the children..some are abusive but their kids are loyal to them..relationships are complicated..there are nothing but shades gray.
    I think rather than to do away with a free lunch program...because we know that the children actually see that food and the parents can't abuse it...the food stamp program should be made to be more fraud proof..maybe put the users photo on their card so that they can't sell their food stamps...that would be easy enough. maybe food banks should be for laid off people or people who have exhausted their unemployment and can't find work..or the working poor rather than to also help people on food stamps. The same people get help compounded by help..and others who have suffered a temporary set back..get nothing and need it more.
    I think there should be work programs for people on welfare..there is a cycle of dependence..I believe that..and the only way to break that is to force a person to work for their benefits...it's good for the parent and it's good for the child to see that you have to get up every morning and earn what you get..
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  • WinterLynn volley15 2012/07/22 00:22:06
    WinterLynn
    So your posts just proves that Wefare, Food Stamps, WIC and all other ENTITLEMENT programs are NOT working.

    FINALLY!!!!!! You're getting it slowly but surely.

    DEPENDENCY never WORKS.

    Read about the GREAT SOCIETY.
  • volley15 WinterLynn 2012/07/22 03:03:33
  • WinterLynn volley15 2012/07/22 03:31:14
    WinterLynn
    Another one who can't comprehend facts.
  • volley15 WinterLynn 2012/07/22 06:41:39
  • knoodelhed 2012/07/05 18:08:27
    Free lunch, please!
    knoodelhed
    +4
    It could work, as long as the protein isn't fried, the vegetables aren't mistreated during cooking to the point they lose their nutritional benefit, and the starches are kept to a reasonable level.
  • intoler... knoodelhed 2012/07/05 18:14:40
    intolerantrwj
    +1
    ..... must be under 16 oz. portions , no sugar and cooked by USDA Approved specs


    ............ too funny
  • Dana intoler... 2012/07/05 20:00:53 (edited)
    Dana
    +2
    Been reading your posts on down the line, and honest to God here, you disturb me greatly. I just do not understand your total disdain and hatred for other people who may not be as fortunate as you are. I find you despicable. And to beat up on kids, wow, that takes the cake.

    If you claim to be a Christian too... then even worse. You need a lot of help. I believe we all will reap what we sow and your in for a hell of an awakening when you finally meet up with God.

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