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Is Evolution Fact or Theory?

Adam 2012/05/07 22:19:02
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If you are ever arguing about Evolution with a liberal you may be bombarded with a statement that Evolution is a fact. But hey wow wow wow wait a minute you say. There is no way Evolution can be a fact because there is no way you can show that it happened without a doubt. And facts are only those things that happened. This is where things get interesting. They will bombard you with something like this: Evolution is a fact because all the evidence points to it. It has been proven scientifically so therefore it is a fact. You then think to yourself what happened here. That is not what a fact is that is a theory or a Law. Well this is what happened. They changed the definition of fact so that they can make the argument that they want.

If you look in a dictionary today you might find that one of the definitions written for fact is:

The quality of being actual: Actuality - a question of fact hinges on evidence

another way of saying The quality of being actual is: Something that most likely happened. If you look in the 1996 dictionary or around that time period you will find that this definition of fact is not there.

So you can see liberals have changed the definitions of the words themselves so they can win the argument. At which point they make call you ignorant. Yet another word they changed by adding the word uneducated. Why is this important. Well if you don't know that Evolution is a fact then you must not be educated and therefore you can be called ignorant. Well who wants to be called ignorant. By doing this they hope they have shut you up enough, or that you have finally accepted that Evolution is a fact.

Well at this point you might be saying. This isn't fair; how could this happen. To them it isn't about fair it is about whatever they can do to win their agenda. Besides whoever defines the debate wins the debate right. In order to win the debate they have decided to backdoor a way to control the debate. So now that the whole conspiracy has been broken wide open do you agree with them that it is a fact or are you with me on it is a theory and hold to what we all were taught what a fact is when we were younger.
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  • Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮ 2012/05/07 23:57:16 (edited)
    Theory
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +13
    Most people dont understand that nothing in science is ever set in stone. Science is just our attempt to model the universe with our theories.

    What would our world be like if we accepted every single theory as fact, and never questioned it?
    We might still believe in a flat earth or geocentric solar system.
    We might still believe that things float or sink because of a certain amount of "Earth", "Water", Air" and "Fire" in it.
    We might still believe that an Atom is the smallest unit of matter, and indestructible.
    We might still believe in the theory of spontaneous generation - that animals and bacteria spontaneously generate from food.

    I could go on, but even though I believe evolution is the most likely theory, I acknowledge that we truly know nothing, and that as we learn more our theories - our models - will change.

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  • DoxieDad 2012/05/08 03:04:08
    Fact
    DoxieDad
    +2
    There is more empirical evidence to show that life has evolved on this planet then there is to show that the big book of myths and fairy tales to be true.
    If you want to believe in the snap of the fingers existence go right ahead.
  • zbacku DoxieDad 2012/05/08 04:23:13
    zbacku
    +1
    Go ahead and believe that life came from absolutely NOTHING. Sounds good to me.
  • America... zbacku 2012/05/08 04:44:03
    American☆Atheist
    +2
    that is religion
  • AL zbacku 2012/05/08 05:16:45
    AL
    WOW! Thats sure makes alot of sense alright, Creation without any Telligent Design! Oh thats right, It just happened then right? LMAO!
  • DoxieDad AL 2012/05/08 13:40:45
    DoxieDad
    Well if we are the end product of an all knowing omnipotent "Telligent Design". I fear that the potentate is an idiot.
    Life from nothing.... There are two schools of thought on that which I would discuss with a person with an open mind but since it is not, I won't.
    laughing dinosaur
  • AL DoxieDad 2012/05/09 00:36:20 (edited)
    AL
    Name just one thing that can be make WITHOUT any Intelligent Design then?
  • DoxieDad AL 2012/05/09 02:33:08
    DoxieDad
    Animal, vegetable or mineral?
    You see, you still carry the most ancient of questions that sentient man asked.
    Who am I and Why am I here? Without the knowledge of past history and science the most common denominator becomes a supernatural force, a god as it were. Modern religion is nothing more then a business created to huckster an answer to that most basic question and humanity for all its advances still clings to that most ancient question through religion.
  • AL DoxieDad 2012/05/09 04:28:59 (edited)
    AL
    LOL! Nice try! Now try building a Home without any Builder or designer then as well?
  • DoxieDad AL 2012/05/09 12:37:01
    DoxieDad
    LOL! Nice try! Now prove that there is an intelligent designer beyond the faith that there has to be one! Show empirical evidence that can be shown and proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
  • AL DoxieDad 2012/05/10 06:07:35
    AL
    Faith?You're kidding right? Because It really takes more faith to believe every thing Just happened WITHOUT any intelligant design in the first place!
  • DoxieDad AL 2012/05/10 19:00:34
    DoxieDad
    No it doesn't. I can see the evidence in the earthly pages of time. All you have is a book of myths, fairy tales and fireside chats.
    You just can't accept the fact that things just happen given the right set of circumstances and conditions.
  • AL DoxieDad 2012/05/10 23:16:17
    AL
    No! What I have is the Maker of time itself! And that So called Book Of Fairy Tales will lay it out for you in the book of Genesis as well!
  • DoxieDad AL 2012/05/11 02:18:46
    DoxieDad
    No it won't. It is myth and fairy tale. When you have some concrete to show we can chat.
  • AL DoxieDad 2012/05/11 03:14:14
    AL
    I do have facts about intelligent design-since you can't even answer the most basic question I asked you-about naming anything at all that can be made without any intelligent design! Until you can answer that most basic question-there is No reason to go on any farther really
  • DoxieDad AL 2012/05/11 03:51:26
    DoxieDad
    OK, sounds good to me.
  • AL DoxieDad 2012/05/11 05:13:33
    AL
    Well if you can't seem to answer one simple question,why even bother then!
  • America... zbacku 2012/05/08 19:57:08
    American☆Atheist
    +1
    strawman
  • Elleryqueen 2012/05/08 03:01:18
    Theory
    Elleryqueen
    +1
    Theory, as in "Darwins Theory of Evolution." Operative word, in case you didn't get it the first time, is "Theory."
  • Kirino Elleryq... 2012/05/08 03:43:15 (edited)
    Kirino
    +4
    "Theory, as in "Darwins Theory of Evolution." Operative word, in case you didn't get it the first time, is "Theory.""

    This children is what we call a lay person. They have absolutely no understanding of what theory means to science and continue to use the colloquial definitions in an act to perpetuate the pretence that they actually know what they are talking about.

    All joking aside, I'm sure you also don't believe in germ theory, atomic theory, electronics theory, cell theory. These theories are the base of all modern electronics and medicine.
  • Jane Kirino 2012/05/08 11:41:50
    Jane
    +1
    It was Darwins Theory but has become obviously factual. Even religion evolves.
  • PeetFizzy 2012/05/08 02:58:30
    Theory
    PeetFizzy
    Technically it's a theory, but it's sort of like, the Bible(which can be interpreted differently) vs. physical proof.
  • jeepster4 2012/05/08 02:54:48
    Fact
    jeepster4
    +2
    This is your basic dumb a**ed argument that kind of reminds one of the old "how many
    angels can stand on the head of a pin" argument. The same level of facts is presented to support the argument.
  • AL jeepster4 2012/05/08 05:19:14
    AL
    Ever try to build a House having everything you need-accept for the Builder or Designer himself?
  • GLaDOS AL 2012/05/08 10:33:34 (edited)
    GLaDOS
    Except, have you ever heard of chaos? I know people might not like the idea that we really serve no greater purpose here, except that we're a happy accident resultant of a set of coincidences, but there really isn't much to conclusively prove otherwise.
  • AL GLaDOS 2012/05/09 00:38:28
    AL
    +1
    Happy accident? I thought we where talking about Scienticific facts here instead
  • GLaDOS AL 2012/05/09 02:45:51
    GLaDOS
    Chaos theory is in science...and math, and many other things.
  • AL GLaDOS 2012/05/09 04:37:41
    AL
    Many other THINGS? LOL! Then how come Science and math as a rule, never chance? Can't you see a pattern here? A plan by intelligence far beyond our own then! You see all the answers are there, But we just don't know them all as of yet
  • diarslade AL 2012/05/09 05:22:40
    diarslade
    If some higher power is responsible for the universe. They did a piss poor job of it. I'm more inclined to believe that it was all random myself. :3

    For one there is actually proof that this is all random. Two...who in the right mind would set in motion events that would lead to life? Why? The logical inconsistencies with the intelligent design theory are along the lines of dividing by zero >.>
  • AL diarslade 2012/05/09 05:42:50 (edited)
    AL
    Did you say RAN DUMB perhaps? Since you can't even stack building blocks without some intervention to make it happen first!
  • diarslade AL 2012/05/10 18:16:44
    diarslade
    Okay.

    1) A house and the Universe are totally different things. Comparing them is completely silly.

    2) It's possible to actually witness a star being born and a planet being created. No sign of god anywhere fitting in all the pieces.

    3) Every domesticated animal is proof of Evolution that can actually be witnessed. As are bacteria and viruses. (which for the sake of argument are alive) So it stands to reason that if everything else on Earth evolves all on it's own that so do humans. Unless you're saying that out of the 4.2 billion years Earth has been around God decided to create humans specifically so that we could bypass evolution and just be the most advanced thinking minds on the planet.

    4) You assume for a moment that god created the big-bang. When it's far more likely that the big-bang created god. (Or whatever higher power you think created the universe and life)

    5) You're right something does fit together all the pieces of the universe, and sparked life. It's called Gravity, Electromagnetism, The Weak Nuclear Force, and The Strong Nuclear Force + a little chaos.
  • AL diarslade 2012/05/10 23:18:14 (edited)
    AL
    One just one thing anyone can build or creat without any intelligent design then?
  • diarslade AL 2012/05/11 01:16:54
    diarslade
    +1
    In the context of the universe? Yep! It's really quite amazing actually. Seriously go watch a documentary on the subject where they speed up the creation of a star, or recreate the beginning of the universe in a CGI model. It's really quite fascinating stuff.

    Unfortunately houses are not planets, and those need to be laid down brick by brick. That's also because we build square and hallow houses...which kind of defy the natural laws. (In that...the universe really wants to push it together in a solid sphere)
  • AL diarslade 2012/05/11 03:32:00
    AL
    LMAO! If you can't even answer the most basic question I ask you so far-about naming anything that can be made without intelligent design-Why waste my time going on any farther then?
  • diarslade AL 2012/05/11 10:23:47
    diarslade
    +1
    >.> you...didn't read my answer properly. Too busy trying to trap me and thinking about what you were going to say next. *sigh* You're a champ of debate alright. Zing!
  • AL diarslade 2012/05/12 04:13:58
    AL
    LOL! You keep refusing to answer the one very simple question I keep asking is all! How can anything be made Without a Bulider,creator or intelligent deasign! Answer that one simple question, and I'll be more then willing to keep play your game!
  • diarslade AL 2012/05/12 14:29:14
    diarslade
    I have answered your question. Hence why I say your reading comprehension is poor. Just for you though I'll give you a small list of things that can be made without a builder or some kind of plan.

    1) A Planet.

    2) A Galaxy

    3) A Star

    4) A Black Hole

    5) White Hole (well this one is theoretical if it even exists)

    6) Mountains

    7) Canyons

    8) Rivers or other bodies of water

    and I have more that I can tack on to their. Before you get your panties in a twist and shout "but those are natural things!" That's the point. They are done in nature at random with no outside help, no plan, just accidents.

    Here's one that might really trip you out. Just recently a group of scientists tried to "Build" an eyeball. Something so complex that it's argued that it would have to have been created by some kind of higher power. My argument is that the eye is so complicated it would have to have been an accident. If anyone tried on purpose they'd fail due to Murphy's Law. Turns out I'm right on both counts. The group of scientists failed, and then accidentally created a non-working prototype.

    Gimme some time and I'll dig up the article.
  • Adam diarslade 2012/05/12 11:28:11
    Adam
    2) hmm you should learn something about astronomy. According to astronomy it takes a vast amount of time for a star to be born. What they do is observe many different stars and then state this is how the transition works. No one is actually observing a star born.
  • diarslade Adam 2012/05/12 14:14:35 (edited)
    diarslade
    It amounts to the same thing in the end. What can't be seen can do finished off with CGI based off visible proof. It would take longer than people have to live to actually see a star being born, but my point still stands. He's just too silly to see it.
  • Adam diarslade 2012/05/13 18:50:06
    Adam
    Thats the problem. With the speculation for how long it takes a star to develop there is in no way any capability of confirming this. There is no way to even observe the transfer from one part of development to another because it takes longer than a lifetime even for this according to theory. It is ridiculous to even say such things are scientific. Science involves confirmed observations not a speculation that this must fit because I think it fits this way.
  • diarslade Adam 2012/05/13 21:06:40
    diarslade
    To a point you're correct, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. When you can say with 99% certainty baring some drastic change like god actually sticking his hand down there and putting some protons in a nucleus. Than yes you can state something as a fact even before it is "proven" You cannot however state that it is scientific law...which not only needs to be proven but replicated.

    It's even more ridiculous to say such things are NOT scientific. Because it's not "this must fit because I think it fits this way. it's "This is most likely to fit based off a logical conclusion drawn from observation."

    Which means that until proven otherwise it's fact, but not law.

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