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Is Evolution Fact or Theory?

Adam 2012/05/07 22:19:02
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If you are ever arguing about Evolution with a liberal you may be bombarded with a statement that Evolution is a fact. But hey wow wow wow wait a minute you say. There is no way Evolution can be a fact because there is no way you can show that it happened without a doubt. And facts are only those things that happened. This is where things get interesting. They will bombard you with something like this: Evolution is a fact because all the evidence points to it. It has been proven scientifically so therefore it is a fact. You then think to yourself what happened here. That is not what a fact is that is a theory or a Law. Well this is what happened. They changed the definition of fact so that they can make the argument that they want.

If you look in a dictionary today you might find that one of the definitions written for fact is:

The quality of being actual: Actuality - a question of fact hinges on evidence

another way of saying The quality of being actual is: Something that most likely happened. If you look in the 1996 dictionary or around that time period you will find that this definition of fact is not there.

So you can see liberals have changed the definitions of the words themselves so they can win the argument. At which point they make call you ignorant. Yet another word they changed by adding the word uneducated. Why is this important. Well if you don't know that Evolution is a fact then you must not be educated and therefore you can be called ignorant. Well who wants to be called ignorant. By doing this they hope they have shut you up enough, or that you have finally accepted that Evolution is a fact.

Well at this point you might be saying. This isn't fair; how could this happen. To them it isn't about fair it is about whatever they can do to win their agenda. Besides whoever defines the debate wins the debate right. In order to win the debate they have decided to backdoor a way to control the debate. So now that the whole conspiracy has been broken wide open do you agree with them that it is a fact or are you with me on it is a theory and hold to what we all were taught what a fact is when we were younger.
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  • Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮ 2012/05/07 23:57:16 (edited)
    Theory
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +13
    Most people dont understand that nothing in science is ever set in stone. Science is just our attempt to model the universe with our theories.

    What would our world be like if we accepted every single theory as fact, and never questioned it?
    We might still believe in a flat earth or geocentric solar system.
    We might still believe that things float or sink because of a certain amount of "Earth", "Water", Air" and "Fire" in it.
    We might still believe that an Atom is the smallest unit of matter, and indestructible.
    We might still believe in the theory of spontaneous generation - that animals and bacteria spontaneously generate from food.

    I could go on, but even though I believe evolution is the most likely theory, I acknowledge that we truly know nothing, and that as we learn more our theories - our models - will change.

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  • Chris -... Jacksane 2012/05/10 18:51:15
  • Jacksane Chris -... 2012/05/10 23:20:21
    Jacksane
    Not as long as you keep saying stupid things.
  • Chris -... Jacksane 2012/05/11 10:47:07
  • ☆The Ro... Chris -... 2012/05/09 21:19:07
    ☆The Rock☆ * AFCL* The Sheriff!!
    +1
    Chris you can not argue with these know it all, idiots! LMAO

    rotflmao
  • Chris -... ☆The Ro... 2012/05/09 21:21:11
  • ☆The Ro... Chris -... 2012/05/09 21:32:30
    ☆The Rock☆ * AFCL* The Sheriff!!
    +1
    Faith is above logic and our five sense and that why they don't understand! 1 corinthians 2 9 natural man doesn t recieve the things of the spirit
  • Chris -... ☆The Ro... 2012/05/09 21:57:18
  • Jacksane Chris -... 2012/05/10 23:19:55
    Jacksane
    Faith is believing in somehting with absolutely no evidence to back it up. It is the antithesis to logic, reason, and science. And that's fine, except when you claim to be logical or informed.
  • Chris -... Jacksane 2012/05/11 10:57:02
  • Adam Jacksane 2012/05/12 10:46:39
    Adam
    No it is not. Faith is substantiated through evidence. The more evidence received the stronger the faith becomes.
  • Jacksane Chris -... 2012/05/10 17:44:31
    Jacksane
    What knowledge? You don't know anything. You arguing evolution as if it were nonsense. How many times do I have to explain scientific theory to you? You're more likely to prove that the sun isn't the center of our solar system than that evolution is false, so good luck with that..
  • Chris -... Jacksane 2012/05/10 18:54:24
  • Woody 2012/05/08 13:01:43
    Theory
    Woody
    +2
    still a theory...
  • Just me ♥ 2012/05/08 12:52:01
    Theory
    Just me ♥
    +3
    My last biology professor said this fact does not=truth. A fact is a statement that can be proven either true or false.
  • GLaDOS Just me ♥ 2012/05/09 05:48:56
    GLaDOS
    Well, it's a good thing that that professor teaches Biology, and not English.
  • Just me ♥ GLaDOS 2012/05/09 11:53:49
    Just me ♥
    Yeah, so I missed some quotation marks in my sentence before hitting the enter key. I thought about editing it and going back and entering in the quotation marks, but I don't like doing so on a scientific type discussion as there are some real a$$es here who will accuse you of changing the meaning of your statement, so I just left it.

    I graduated valedictorian from Columbia with a nursing degree, so I feel as though I have a pretty darn good grasp of grammar and I certainly didn't realize I was being graded here.
  • GLaDOS Just me ♥ 2012/05/09 14:17:57 (edited)
    GLaDOS
    Well, I'll say you have better grammar than some doctors and engineers I've seen, which only suggests that it doesn't really matter how high a degree is, as long as it's the right type.

    I was more so referring to his commentary as to the definition of a "fact."
  • Jacksane Just me ♥ 2012/05/09 19:42:43
    Jacksane
    But do you believe evolution is a scientific theory (as in, an agreed upon truth based on experimentation) or do you think it's a "theory" as in the idea that rats spontaneously generate from piles of hay?
  • Seonag 2012/05/08 12:03:04
    Theory
    Seonag
    +3
    I believe in the Theory of Evolution, but the 'details' of how it has and continues to occur are still not clear or proven and, therefore, can not be a 'fact.'
  • Met 2012/05/08 11:53:09
    Fact
    Met
    +1
    Have you ever seen a dog that's not a Grey Wolf?

    FACT! Hallelujah!
  • Jimbo 2012/05/08 11:39:46
    Fact
    Jimbo
    +2
    Contrary to some religious beliefs man did not walk the earth 2 days after dinosaurs. Isotopic dating is science, creationism is belief.
  • Jane 2012/05/08 11:34:52
    Fact
    Jane
    +2
    All things evolve, we learn, we evolve.
  • Torchmanner ~PWCM~JLA 2012/05/08 11:21:39
    Theory
    Torchmanner ~PWCM~JLA
    +7
    It is a fact that 'evolution' has been proven wrong. It is a fact that, more than once, evolution nuts have fabricated 'era man' (pigs tooth).

    1.) Darwins theory was based on the simple cell, which turned out to be NOT simple.
    2.) There is NO fossil evidence.
    3.) The captain of the vessel that Darwin was on did the same research and came to the opposite conclusion. (This is not taught in public school)
    4.) Darwin was biased against Christianity.

    Hitler was a devout evolutionist, as history shows, and used it as an excuse to do absurd 'scientific experiments' that many times ended in death to the subject. He murdered millions.
    "National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)--Adolf Hitler
    This is one reason many on the left are now denying the Holocaust.

    EVOLUTION IS THE RELIGION OF SECULARIST HUMANISTS AND ATHEISTS.
  • Torchma... Torchma... 2012/05/08 11:28:09
    Torchmanner ~PWCM~JLA
    +4
    Some Famous Scientists who were Christians
    John Philoponus late 6th Century Aristotle's early Christian critic
    Hugh of St. Victor c. 1096-1141 theologian of science
    Robert Grosseteste c. 1168-1253 reform-minded bishop-scientist
    Roger Bacon c. 1220-1292 Doctor Mirabiles
    Dietrich von Frieberg c. 1250-c. 1310 the priest who solved the mystery of the rainbow
    Thomas Bradwardine c. 1290-1349 student of motion
    Nicole Oresme c. 1320-1382 inventor of scientific graphic techniques
    Nicholas of Cusa 1401-1464 grappler with infinity
    Georgias Agricola 1495-1555 founder of metallurgy
    Johannes Kepler 1571-1630 discoverer of the laws of planetary motion
    Johannes Baptista van Helmont 1579-1644 founder of pneumatic chemistry and chemical physiology
    Francesco Maria Grimaldi 1618-1663 discoverer of the diffraction of light Catholic
    Blaise Pascal 1623-1662 mathematical prodigy and universal genius
    Robert Boyle 1627-1691 founder of modern chemistry
    John Ray 1627-1705 cataloger of British flora and fauna Calvinist (denomination?)
    Isaac Barrow 1630-1677 Newton's teacher
    Antonie van Leeuwenhoek 1632-1723 discoverer of bacteria
    Niels Seno 1638-1686 founder of geology
    James Bradley 1693-1762 discoverer of the aberration of starlight
    Ewald Georg von Kleist c. 1700-1748 inventor of th...



























    Some Famous Scientists who were Christians
    John Philoponus late 6th Century Aristotle's early Christian critic
    Hugh of St. Victor c. 1096-1141 theologian of science
    Robert Grosseteste c. 1168-1253 reform-minded bishop-scientist
    Roger Bacon c. 1220-1292 Doctor Mirabiles
    Dietrich von Frieberg c. 1250-c. 1310 the priest who solved the mystery of the rainbow
    Thomas Bradwardine c. 1290-1349 student of motion
    Nicole Oresme c. 1320-1382 inventor of scientific graphic techniques
    Nicholas of Cusa 1401-1464 grappler with infinity
    Georgias Agricola 1495-1555 founder of metallurgy
    Johannes Kepler 1571-1630 discoverer of the laws of planetary motion
    Johannes Baptista van Helmont 1579-1644 founder of pneumatic chemistry and chemical physiology
    Francesco Maria Grimaldi 1618-1663 discoverer of the diffraction of light Catholic
    Blaise Pascal 1623-1662 mathematical prodigy and universal genius
    Robert Boyle 1627-1691 founder of modern chemistry
    John Ray 1627-1705 cataloger of British flora and fauna Calvinist (denomination?)
    Isaac Barrow 1630-1677 Newton's teacher
    Antonie van Leeuwenhoek 1632-1723 discoverer of bacteria
    Niels Seno 1638-1686 founder of geology
    James Bradley 1693-1762 discoverer of the aberration of starlight
    Ewald Georg von Kleist c. 1700-1748 inventor of the Leyden jar
    Carolus Linnaeus 1707-1778 classifer of all living things
    Leonhard Euler 1707-1783 the prolific mathematician
    John Dalton 1766-1844 founder of modern atomic theory
    Thomas Young 1773-1829 first to conduct a double-slit experiment with light
    David Brewster 1781-1868 researcher of polarized light
    William Buckland 1784-1856 geologist of the Noahic flood
    Adem Sedgwick 1785-1873 geologist of the Cambrian
    Augustin-Jean Fresnel 1788-1827 the physicist of light waves
    Augustin Louis Cauchy 1789-1857 soulwinning mathematician
    Michael Faraday 1791-1867 giant of electrical research
    John Frederick William Herschel 1792-1871 cataloger of the Southern skies
    Matthew Fontaine Maury 1806-1873 pathfinder of the seas
    Philip Henry Gosse 1810-1888 popular naturalist
    Asa Gray 1810-1888 influential botanist
    James Dwight Dana 1813-1895 systematizer of minerology
    George Boole 1815-1864 discoverer of pure mathematics
    James Prescott Joule 1818-1889 originator of Joule's Law
    John Couch Adams 1819-1892 codiscoverer of Neptune
    George Gabriel Stokes 1819-1903 theorist of fluorescence
    Gregor Mendel 1822-1884 pioneer in genetics
    William Thomson, Lord Kelvin 1824-1907 physicist of thermodynammics
    Georg Friedrich Bernhard Riemann 1829-1907 the non-Euclidean geometer behind relativity theory
    James Clerk Maxwell 1831-1879 father of modern physics
    Edward William Morley 1838-1923 Michelson's partner in measuring the speed of light
    Pierre-Maurice-Marie Duhem 1861-1923 the physicist who recovered the science of the Middle Ages
    Georges Lemaitre 1894-1966 the prist who showed us the universe is expanding
    George Washington Carver c. 1864-1943 pioneer in chemurgy
    Arthur Stanley Eddington 1882-1944 the astronomer who ruled stellar theory
    (more)
  • reaper Torchma... 2012/05/08 20:10:19
    reaper
    notice how most of these people died before darwin was born? and at the time a lot of people still didn't have an understanding for where everything came from and were all raised christian anyways.
  • Torchma... Torchma... 2012/05/08 11:29:09
    Torchmanner ~PWCM~JLA
    +4
    Roger Bacon
    Johannes Kepler
    Johannes Baptista van Helmont
    Blaise Pascal
    Robert Boyle
    Anton van Leeuwenhoek
    Carolus Linnaeus
    Leonhard Euler
    John Dalton
    Michael Faraday
    John Frederick William Herschel
    Matthew Fontaine Maury
    James Prescott Joule
    Gregor Mendel
    William Thomson, Lord Kelvin
    James Clerk Maxwell
    George Washington Carver
    Arthur Stanley Eddington

    [Note that many of the scientists from the books listed above were ALSO Christians, but were simply not listed in Dan Graves' brief book.]
  • Jimbo Torchma... 2012/05/08 11:44:00
  • Jacksane Torchma... 2012/05/09 02:17:41 (edited)
    Jacksane
    Literally all of your points are false. Congratulations on being completely and totally wrong.
    Also, I love how you act like secular humanists are a religious group. Seriously? Tell that to the government so we can get some tax exemptions and start hiring lobbyists. THEN you can call it a religion.
  • ppk007@cfl.rr.com 2012/05/08 10:33:53
    Fact
    ppk007@cfl.rr.com
    +1
    It's a fact...... however, allow me to counter argue....IF you accept the argument that Evolution is a theory...then I ask, Is there a GOD? Please prove that beyond just a theory or "faith"...if you can't, then creationism, using the author's own logic, is just a "theory"...right?
  • Adam ppk007@... 2012/05/08 13:24:09
    Adam
    creationism is a theory. I was created on the other hand is something I know as a fact. Something that you can either take my word on it or not.
  • Marvelo... ppk007@... 2012/05/08 13:52:27
    Marvelous Wildfire
    Is 100% of the universe totally known and understood by modern science?
    No?
    Is even 50% of the universe totally known and understood?
    No?
    Then isn't it possible that God, that creationism is dependent on, could exist in the 50% that is *totally unknown or understood* by "modern science"?

    "Unknown" is not the same thing as non-existent.

    Has modern science, with its BILLIONS of dollars in resources and BILLIONS of dollars worth of education and modern equipment, been able to duplicate a life form that lives and reproduces, like supposedly "simply happened by itself by chance"?
    I'll be the first to admit, that I don't have enough blind faith, to believe in the fairytale of evolution.

    Yes, fairytale.
    Just because it starts with "Millions of years ago . . . " instead of "Once upon a time . . . " doesn't make it any less of a fairytale.
    Help me out.
    What is the REAL difference between: "The beautiful girl kissed the frog, and it turned into a handsome prince!" and: "Sterile ooze, over millions of years, spontaneously one day, simply became alive, and over millions of years, evolved into man!"
    In the one, we don't even get a kiss.

    Yes, there is evolution as evidenced by simply looking at the many breeds of dogs.
    But they are each still dogs, that came from other dogs, just slight variations of the same.
  • SK-pro ... ppk007@... 2012/05/08 14:43:37
    SK-pro impeachment
    When did God die and make you freaking king of rules for debate?
  • ppk007@... SK-pro ... 2012/05/08 19:06:20
    ppk007@cfl.rr.com
    rules?
  • SK-pro ... ppk007@... 2012/05/08 19:10:05
    SK-pro impeachment
    Yeah duh, your telling us how to debate our views by your standards. You wouldn't want me to tell you to prove evolution by only using the Bible now would you?!
  • ppk007@... SK-pro ... 2012/05/08 21:54:27
    ppk007@cfl.rr.com
    +1
    I could careless how you chose to debate or attempt to make your point....I merely provided a counter argument...that GOD can NOT be proven to existence...therefore, does that make creationism a theory... and in reality, does that make all religions nothing but theories????
  • SK-pro ... ppk007@... 2012/05/08 22:05:24
    SK-pro impeachment
    Apparently you do because your scared or you wouldn't have set the rules. don't try to weasel out of it now; it's too late.
  • ppk007@... SK-pro ... 2012/05/09 08:42:42 (edited)
    ppk007@cfl.rr.com
    I'll allow my posts and yours to speak for themselves.
  • SK-pro ... ppk007@... 2012/05/09 15:05:04
    SK-pro impeachment
    Still weaseling.
  • ppk007@... SK-pro ... 2012/05/09 19:38:33
    ppk007@cfl.rr.com
    +1
    are you still whining?
  • SK-pro ... ppk007@... 2012/05/09 20:54:01 (edited)
    SK-pro impeachment
    Are you still weaseling?

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