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Is Evolution Fact or Theory?

Adam 2012/05/07 22:19:02
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If you are ever arguing about Evolution with a liberal you may be bombarded with a statement that Evolution is a fact. But hey wow wow wow wait a minute you say. There is no way Evolution can be a fact because there is no way you can show that it happened without a doubt. And facts are only those things that happened. This is where things get interesting. They will bombard you with something like this: Evolution is a fact because all the evidence points to it. It has been proven scientifically so therefore it is a fact. You then think to yourself what happened here. That is not what a fact is that is a theory or a Law. Well this is what happened. They changed the definition of fact so that they can make the argument that they want.

If you look in a dictionary today you might find that one of the definitions written for fact is:

The quality of being actual: Actuality - a question of fact hinges on evidence

another way of saying The quality of being actual is: Something that most likely happened. If you look in the 1996 dictionary or around that time period you will find that this definition of fact is not there.

So you can see liberals have changed the definitions of the words themselves so they can win the argument. At which point they make call you ignorant. Yet another word they changed by adding the word uneducated. Why is this important. Well if you don't know that Evolution is a fact then you must not be educated and therefore you can be called ignorant. Well who wants to be called ignorant. By doing this they hope they have shut you up enough, or that you have finally accepted that Evolution is a fact.

Well at this point you might be saying. This isn't fair; how could this happen. To them it isn't about fair it is about whatever they can do to win their agenda. Besides whoever defines the debate wins the debate right. In order to win the debate they have decided to backdoor a way to control the debate. So now that the whole conspiracy has been broken wide open do you agree with them that it is a fact or are you with me on it is a theory and hold to what we all were taught what a fact is when we were younger.
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  • Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮ 2012/05/07 23:57:16 (edited)
    Theory
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +13
    Most people dont understand that nothing in science is ever set in stone. Science is just our attempt to model the universe with our theories.

    What would our world be like if we accepted every single theory as fact, and never questioned it?
    We might still believe in a flat earth or geocentric solar system.
    We might still believe that things float or sink because of a certain amount of "Earth", "Water", Air" and "Fire" in it.
    We might still believe that an Atom is the smallest unit of matter, and indestructible.
    We might still believe in the theory of spontaneous generation - that animals and bacteria spontaneously generate from food.

    I could go on, but even though I believe evolution is the most likely theory, I acknowledge that we truly know nothing, and that as we learn more our theories - our models - will change.

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  • ehrhornp tom 2012/05/08 00:22:37
    ehrhornp
    I do. It is only a theory. lol
  • PASCALEYANNICKPIERLOOT 2012/05/07 23:19:59
    Fact
    PASCALEYANNICKPIERLOOT
    +2
    But are you willing to accept this?
  • tom PASCALE... 2012/05/07 23:27:06
    tom
    +2
    Well its technically a theory, but it might as well be fact as it is observable in nature and in the laboratory.
  • ehrhornp tom 2012/05/08 00:25:32
    ehrhornp
    +1
    Evolution is a fact. Insects change according to their environment all the time. That is why pesticides loses their effectiveness with time. Ever wonder why hospitals are the most unhealthy place to be? The evolution of super germs.

    Now Darwin's explanation for evolution is a theory and could possibly be replaced some day although I doubt it.
  • tom ehrhornp 2012/05/08 10:09:46
    tom
    +1
    I totally agree with you.
  • trader 2012/05/07 23:14:49
    Theory
    trader
    +3
    The evo will come with their rain of "facts" now............lol
  • America... trader 2012/05/08 04:51:10
    American☆Atheist
    Pesky facts
  • flaca BN-0 2012/05/07 23:05:36
    Fact
    flaca BN-0
    +3
    I can only attest to what I've seen with my own eyes. A progression of human skulls throughout the ages in the British Museum, London. The cranium of Man has evolved over time and there are genuine skulls to prove it.
  • Adam flaca BN-0 2012/05/07 23:07:43
    Adam
    +3
    You have thousand of generations of witnesses that documented this change as one generation after the next was born?
  • flaca BN-0 Adam 2012/05/07 23:09:12
    flaca BN-0
    +1
    since they are dead long ago, how can they be witnesses? I've seen the growth of the human skull over time. Why would the skull expand? To accept the growth of the brain.
    Take a trip to Europe and see it for yourself.
  • Adam flaca BN-0 2012/05/07 23:12:23
    Adam
    +3
    witnesses can write things down.

    Really you literally watched a skull grow? That is very interesting.
  • flaca BN-0 Adam 2012/05/07 23:20:44
    flaca BN-0
    I didn't see a skull grow. I saw skulls from different timelines that exist today. You obviously can't refute that. You're busted dude.
  • Adam flaca BN-0 2012/05/07 23:33:27
    Adam
    +2
    You saw a bunch of different skulls and you came to the conclusion that one evolved to another. That is called a theory not a fact. Unless you have documentation from witnesses that one evolved to the other then you can never state it as fact.
  • flaca BN-0 Adam 2012/05/08 01:38:42
    flaca BN-0
    you haven't seen the skulls and came to the conclusion that it was a conspiracy.
  • Adam flaca BN-0 2012/05/08 01:42:09
    Adam
    First I haven't seen the skulls. Second I stated what you did was come up with an hypothesis or theory not fact. Third seeing a bunch of similar skulls does not prove evolution.
  • trader flaca BN-0 2012/05/07 23:13:53
    trader
    +3
    You've been lied to. majority of the major fossils on display are replicas because actual fossils are incomplete and too valuable to put on display. If they can fake those why not originals?
  • flaca BN-0 trader 2012/05/07 23:22:07
    flaca BN-0
    The British Museum doesn't do replicas. They've had fossils longer than the US has existed. Sorry about that but they've done tests on them. Other countries rely on the British Museum for accuracy and have never been disappointed.
  • Uranos7 flaca BN-0 2012/05/08 00:36:43
    Uranos7
    +3
    "Evolutionism is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless," says Professor Louis Bouroune, former President of the Biological Society of Strasbourg and Director of the Strasbourg Zoological Museum, later Director of Research at the French National Centre of Scientific Research, as quoted in The Advocate, March 8, 1984.
  • tom Uranos7 2012/05/08 10:12:14
    tom
    You can say the same thing for god and intelligent design.
    The difference is evolution has facts backing it up.
  • Uranos7 tom 2012/05/08 10:20:04
    Uranos7
    +2
    Sorry but no it does not.
    Just because they proved natural selection does not mean they proved evolution because they have never been able to prove the origin of life or the crossing of class lines.
  • trader flaca BN-0 2012/05/09 02:45:59
    trader
    coelacanth fossil coelacanth
    Like this one? Lol
  • safari 2012/05/07 23:03:48
    Theory
    safari
    +7
    ah good timing I just retweeted this on twitter... "Darwin said if his theory of evolution was true there should be thousands of transitional forms but not one could be found. NOT ONE!"
  • Yankee Traveler 2012/05/07 23:00:10
    Theory
    Yankee Traveler
    +10
    Hence Darwin's THEORY of Evolution. Evolution is a guess, speculation, hypothetical,etc.
  • Kevin V... Yankee ... 2012/05/07 23:15:37
    Kevin Verdone
    +1
    "guess, speculation, hypothetical,etc."
    No, that's called a hypothesis. In the scientific world, a theory is an idea that ties together evidence into a logical conclusion that is peer-review multiple times so that others come to the same conclusion.
    Do you consider gravity to be hypothetical speculation as well?
  • Yankee ... Kevin V... 2012/05/07 23:21:19
    Yankee Traveler
    +3
    http://www.merriam-webster.co...

    Definition of THEORY


    1: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another


    2: abstract thought : speculation


    3: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art

    4 a: a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action

    5: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena

    6a: a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b: an unproved assumption : conjecture c: a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject
  • Kevin V... Yankee ... 2012/05/07 23:26:06
    Kevin Verdone
    1: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another

    Exactly, the information is analyzed. It's peer reviewed. It's tested over and over and over again. It's questioned and doubted and stands up to the criticisms. It's not just speculation.
  • Yankee ... Kevin V... 2012/05/07 23:33:29
    Yankee Traveler
    +4
    so you are smarter than the dictionary?? Figures you'd think that! Now go away and go bother someone else that cares that you are much smarter than those at Merriam-Webster!!! Off with you now!

    Oh by the way before you go running off I have something for you:

    "An atheist has to know a lot more than I know. An atheist is someone who knows there is no god. By some definitions atheism is very stupid. " Carl Sagan

    You fit that to a "T"!!!
  • Chi~Cat Yankee ... 2012/05/07 23:39:12
    Chi~Cat
    +2
    Touché!
  • Kevin V... Yankee ... 2012/05/08 00:37:29
    Kevin Verdone
    +1
    http://www.notjustatheory.com/

    http://www.talkorigins.org/fa...

    http://evolution.berkeley.edu...

    http://www.religioustolerance...


    Here are some articles talking about what you just said. And since you can't be bothered to read them all, I'll just quote one for you.

    "Scientific theories are explanations that are based on lines of evidence, enable valid predictions, and have been tested in many ways. In contrast, there is also a popular definition of theory—a “guess” or “hunch.” These conflicting definitions often cause unnecessary confusion about evolution."
  • Yankee ... Kevin V... 2012/05/08 09:31:57
    Yankee Traveler
    You told me my definition of theory was actually hypothesis, my point was to show you the difference which you didn't agree with the dictionary. I gave you 3 different dictionary's that all basically said the same thing. All four of those articles are that of left wing schools or that of atheist, there is no middle ground. A theory is someones best educated guess, if it wasn't the word would not exist in terms of it's definition.
  • Kevin V... Yankee ... 2012/05/08 16:33:19
    Kevin Verdone
    Let's look at what you said:
    " Evolution is a guess, speculation, hypothetical,etc."

    And now let's look at the definition of hypothesis you gave:
    "1a: an assumption or concession made for the sake of argument"
    "2: a tentative assumption made in order to draw out and test its logical or empirical consequences"

    Yes, those are the same things.

    Here's another quick example:
    http://chemistry.about.com/od...

    "A hypothesis is an educated guess, based on observation. Usually, a hypothesis can be supported or refuted through experimentation or more observation. A hypothesis can be disproven, but not proven to be true."

    "A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. A theory is valid as long as there is no evidence to dispute it. Therefore, theories can be disproven. Basically, if evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, then the hypothesis can become accepted as a good explanation of a phenomenon. One definition of a theory is to say it's an accepted hypothesis.".
  • Yankee ... Kevin V... 2012/05/08 22:34:32
    Yankee Traveler
    It's an attempt for one to validate the other which can't be done because they are both just educated guesses. As long as there is still assumptions, speculations, concessions,conjecture,experi... it still comes down to opinion, and facts is the only way to support either one.
  • Yankee ... Kevin V... 2012/05/07 23:22:33
    Yankee Traveler
    +2
    http://www.merriam-webster.co...

    Definition of HYPOTHESIS

    1a: an assumption or concession made for the sake of argument
    b: an interpretation of a practical situation or condition taken as the ground for action


    2: a tentative assumption made in order to draw out and test its logical or empirical consequences


    3: the antecedent clause of a conditional statement
  • Chi~Cat Yankee ... 2012/05/07 23:23:52
    Chi~Cat
    +2
    Ahem, so, uhhhh RIGHT ON!
  • Yankee ... Chi~Cat 2012/05/07 23:25:21 (edited)
    Yankee Traveler
    +2
    some people just know everything Cat!!!
  • Chi~Cat Yankee ... 2012/05/07 23:37:31
    Chi~Cat
    +2
    as I lol~ okay, take it all the way, Man~ megas! ; )
  • Yankee ... Chi~Cat 2012/05/07 23:39:53
    Yankee Traveler
    +2
    did you read his last comment to me?? He thinks he's smarter then the Merriam-Webster dictionary
  • Adam Yankee ... 2012/05/07 23:44:07
    Adam
    +2
    It is the change in the Merriam-Webster Dictionary that I've gotten annoyed at.
  • Yankee ... Adam 2012/05/08 00:11:23
    Yankee Traveler
    +2
    Ok different dictionary then:

    http://dictionary.reference.c...

    noun, plural hy·poth·e·ses  [-seez] Show IPA.
    1. a proposition, or set of propositions, set forth as an explanation for the occurrence of some specified group of phenomena, either asserted merely as a provisional conjecture to guide investigation (working hypothesis) or accepted as highly probable in the light of established facts.

    2. a proposition assumed as a premise in an argument.

    3. the antecedent of a conditional proposition.

    4.a mere assumption or guess.

    http://dictionary.reference.c...

    the·o·ry
       [thee-uh-ree, theer-ee] Show IPA

    noun, plural the·o·ries.
    1.
    a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity.
    2.
    a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.
    3.
    Mathematics . a body of principles, theorems, or the like, belonging to one subject: number theory.

    4.
    the branch of a science or art that deals with its principles or methods, as distinguished from its practice: music theory.

    5.
    a particular conception or view of someth...


    Ok different dictionary then:

    http://dictionary.reference.c...

    noun, plural hy·poth·e·ses  [-seez] Show IPA.
    1. a proposition, or set of propositions, set forth as an explanation for the occurrence of some specified group of phenomena, either asserted merely as a provisional conjecture to guide investigation (working hypothesis) or accepted as highly probable in the light of established facts.

    2. a proposition assumed as a premise in an argument.

    3. the antecedent of a conditional proposition.

    4.a mere assumption or guess.

    http://dictionary.reference.c...

    the·o·ry
       [thee-uh-ree, theer-ee] Show IPA

    noun, plural the·o·ries.
    1.
    a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity.
    2.
    a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.
    3.
    Mathematics . a body of principles, theorems, or the like, belonging to one subject: number theory.

    4.
    the branch of a science or art that deals with its principles or methods, as distinguished from its practice: music theory.

    5.
    a particular conception or view of something to be done or of the method of doing it; a system of rules or principles: conflicting theories of how children best learn to read.


    Does this suit you better?
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  • Adam Yankee ... 2012/05/08 00:13:36
    Adam
    +2
    lol an old Webster would have been fine. I just can't trust current dictionaries anymore as they have been politically changed.

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