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Is Conservative vs Liberal really based on strength vs weakness?

Gracie - Proud Conservative 2012/05/01 22:42:41
It seems to me that liberalism is based on victimhood and personal weaknesses. Most of the Conservatives that I know just want to be left alone, they can take care of themselves and their families. It just seems to me that Conservatives see ability and Liberals see helplessness. How do you see it?
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  • Rabbit 2012/05/01 23:10:57
    Rabbit
    +6
    No, not Strength VS Weakness, It's based on Good VS Evil, Right VS Wrong, Ying VS yang. It's a battle for the heart and soul of America. It's a battle for the freedoms that we use to enjoy before Democrats allowed Communists in their ranks.

    say no to communism

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  • Pug For Huck 2013/02/28 22:20:30
    Pug For Huck
    That is exactly it. They're trying to create the serf class that was used to overturn the czars to institute communism. Here, you didn't have a class of people like that so they're working to create their own. They're called progressive liberals.
  • AM 2012/05/02 13:39:42
  • Dan (Politicaly Incorrect) 2012/05/02 13:37:49 (edited)
    Dan (Politicaly Incorrect)
    +1
    I think it is based on traditional American values and individualism vs collectivism and other than traditional values.

    I think both our assessments agree.
  • Teri- Oregon 2012/05/02 10:03:13
    Teri- Oregon
    +2
    I can totally see where you see coming from.
  • beavith1 2012/05/02 04:55:12
    beavith1
    +3
    that's a very good assessment.
  • mowerman-back to bust libs 2012/05/02 03:59:57
    mowerman-back to bust libs
    +2
    Good way of looking at it!!!!
  • John James 2012/05/02 03:39:12
    John James
    +2
    Pretty good way to sum it up. I see it where liberals seek to have everyone dependent on government handouts, so they can be enslaved to the government. Conservatives have compassion and would rather teach a person to fend for themselves, while liberals seek to enslave people
  • Rabbit John James 2012/05/11 19:18:01
    Rabbit
    +1
    Well said...makes lots of sense...in this sensless world.
  • Figment 2012/05/02 01:53:22
    Figment
    +3
    Sounds like your describing libertarians as well. I don't think that all liberals are weak- caring about other people is never weak. I think that they're far too liberal with our money- that's the main problem.
  • Gracie ... Figment 2012/05/02 02:00:22
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +4
    Yes, libertarians are very strong people. Caring about someone is doing something with your money, not money extorted from others. That is true caring, the other is nothing more than trying to feel good about yourself.
  • Denny 2012/05/02 01:51:26
    Denny
    +3
    about the same. While my kids were going to College I wished that the Government would have just left me alone for the 5 years I needed to get my son an education rather than put everyone else through school. My son couldn't get anything but loans because me and the wife made over $50,000 a year. I promise as soon as he got an education I would come back and help everyone else.
  • Gracie ... Denny 2012/05/02 02:01:22
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +2
    Well, I've been there and I totally agree with what you said!
  • jdemme 2012/05/02 01:47:53
    jdemme
    +2
    "It's the strong's responsibility to protect the weak..." - Commander Shepard

    Helps that this is also the Paragon option in the conversation. But I doubt anyone here is going to get the joke...at all...
  • Gracie ... jdemme 2012/05/02 02:03:21
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +2
    The strong should always protect the weak, with their own money. Caring too much and doing too much keeps the weak....weak!
  • jdemme Gracie ... 2012/05/03 03:36:22
    jdemme
    Yep, you completely missed the reference...
  • rocat 2012/05/02 01:35:00
    rocat
    +2
    the weakness in both...
    is subjectivity-
    agenda...mostly social in nature-

    but the commonality of dem/rep...
    is the furtherance...
    of expensive big govt-

    only the pet social issues...
    distinguish between them-

    both partys serve corporations or unions...
    types of collective-
  • Gracie ... rocat 2012/05/02 02:02:18
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +3
    You'll note I never indicate parties.
  • rocat Gracie ... 2012/05/02 02:43:00
    rocat
    +1
    i indicate...
    and indict...
    both-

    they need it-

    you should try it-
    a very freeing truth-
  • Gracie ... rocat 2012/05/02 02:51:53
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +2
    My vote is for anyone but Obama and that isn't Ron Paul. I'd vote for Rand and maybe even Ron if he'd accept a few facts.
  • rocat Gracie ... 2012/05/02 02:57:01
    rocat
    ahhh...
    you mean...
    ABORP

    an ugly sounding acronym -
    truly... ill designed-

    but more honest than ABO...
    also ill designed...
    as it irrationally excludes ron paul in intent-
    tho he fits the criteria of the given slogan-

    the repubs are not thinking very clearly this election--
  • Gracie ... rocat 2012/05/02 16:35:07
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    No, I'd vote for Ron Paul if he was the nominee. When I say anyone but Obama, I mean just that unless they find a worse man. I don't think that's likely. I just want RP supporters to be able to admit defeat and help defeat Obama if that's what it comes down to.
  • rocat Gracie ... 2012/05/02 03:00:23
    rocat
    i guess romney has all the facts then???
  • Gracie ... rocat 2012/05/02 16:35:28
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    No, just a vast improvement over Obama.
  • rocat Gracie ... 2012/05/02 17:01:43 (edited)
    rocat
    oromney

    find me that vastness-
  • Gracie ... rocat 2012/05/02 20:49:02
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    If Obama loses so go his Communist friends, that's a vast difference. Romney isn't a Marxist. I'm not going to argue about Ron Paul because it doesn't matter, he's not going to be the nominee. You can vote for him or yourself for all that matter and it's going to get Obama re-elected. If that doesn't matter to you and you see them both the same then go ahead. I'm not big on the Muslim Brotherhood in sensitive security positions and Obama's got them right on top.
  • rocat Gracie ... 2012/05/02 21:19:56
    rocat
    carry on-

    the path is clear...
    the oromnabama road-

    leads in varying ways...
    to the same place-

    a loss of national sovereignty...
    debt...
    a loss of liberty...
    in the name of security-

    we were warned of this...
    by a very wise man-
    franklin-

    the corporation of the united states...
    replaced our republic long ago...
    nothing you or i say will change that-
    nor will your vote...nor mine-

    god planned it all-

    i suggest you read some bible...
    regarding govt...
    in end times-
    and pray for understanding-

    cause it's here-
  • Gracie ... rocat 2012/05/02 21:25:48 (edited)
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    Why are you telling me to read the Bible? I don't think the end times are here, just yet. I think there will be another Great Awakening but things have to get bad first...we have had it much too good for too long and we don't appreciate what we have.

    I just think that Romney buys us a little time to wake more people up. They're all still sleeping, you know.
  • rocat Gracie ... 2012/05/02 21:30:48
    rocat
    perhaps the great awakening is here-
    and most are missing it-
    revelations says...
    "were it possible...
    even the elect would be deceived"

    seems like the time could not be riper-

    i simply say read the bible...
    because wisdom lies there-

    romney serves the globalists-
    that is clear
    as does obama-

    marxism...
    is not their only method/tool-
  • Gracie ... rocat 2012/05/03 00:43:50
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    Yes, most are missing it. However if you read the Bible the duty of the Christian to Israel is also very well stated. I don't think Ron Paul is the answer. I voted for Perot and got Clinton....I'm not doing that again.
  • rocat Gracie ... 2012/05/03 00:46:15
    rocat
    +1
    romney reminds me of clinton...
    except dumber-lol
  • Gracie ... rocat 2012/05/03 00:48:17
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    I'm hoping for a great VP pick. I don't get the similarity between Romney and Clinton...we'll see how it all plays out. I don't get too high on politicians anyway.
  • rocat Gracie ... 2012/05/03 00:55:39
    rocat
    +1
    think slickster...

    perhaps john kerry compares better...
    as romney...
    like he...
    lacks any native charm-
  • Gracie ... rocat 2012/05/03 01:23:01
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    Charming he is not...but Rubio! OH MY!
  • rocat Gracie ... 2012/05/03 02:23:46
    rocat
    he truly lost me endorsing oromney-

    had hopes for him...
    but he's going the way of the corporate whores now...
    just like our own aaron schock...
    another hotty-lol

    seems the inevitable pattern...
    suck on union ass...
    or on corporate ass-
    one or the other-

    both killed mom n pop-
  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/05/02 01:26:29
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +3
    Yes. And self-reliance v. dependency.
  • Gracie ... Temlako... 2012/05/02 01:29:53
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +5
    On the question that I asked if you believe in merit, I didn't get one liberal response. I guess that's a word that scares the hell out of them!
  • JP 2012/05/02 00:53:03
    JP
    +4
    I think you put it very well. Liberals need victims to support their religion. Conservatives need success to support theirs cause.

    I choose success through strength, not victim status!
  • Uranos7 2012/05/02 00:29:34 (edited)
    Uranos7
    +3
    Before Obama came along I had respect for liberals standing up for the minorities, but Once Obama started campaigning It seemed he atracted the most militant and hateful liberals in the party. I should know I was doing campaigning for Hillary at the time.

    The way they attacked one of thier own turned me from moderate liberal to moderate conservative.

    Where they once pushed for equal rights they began to try to punish the people that used to be on top and they became what they were fighting against ; facist.

    (Yea I am a flip flopper as you call people largely because I think the country needs different things at different times.)
  • Gracie ... Uranos7 2012/05/02 00:56:25
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +2
    What that makes you is a Progressive. Do you believe in the Declaration of Independence?
  • ☆ Queen... Gracie ... 2012/05/02 02:09:00
    ☆ QueenAline
    +3
    the silence is deafening Gracie !

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