Is Anti-Suicide Spray Ethical?

We shouldn't even have WAR to begin with.. What are we fighting about??

Yes if it can save a person's life it is ethical. I was in the army and served in Vietnam and I know something like this might have helped some people I knew. Back then street drugs were rampant over there and GI's were really into those to help them forget the pain. After all this medicine is one of the few things the army has done lately to really try to address this problem of suicide in the military. When I was in the army suicide was never mentioned then but it happened and when someone died or was killed they tried to make everyone forget about it by never talking about it and making it disappear people have grief and they need to and will feel it. When you have been through something horrible memories stay with you.

But, shouldn't get to the bottom of why they feel suicidal.....instead of nasal spray?

It is a slippery slope when the government wants to drug people to behave in a way that someone in power thinks they should.

Plus, a soldier needs to have razor-sharp reactions and alertness. Not operating in a euphoric cloud.

God bless our Troops !

It is ethical, but I think the better method would be healthcare-provided therapy. If it's still going to be developed, then make it available under prescription to the public. But no matter what, it's pretty much screaming for drug abuse and addiction.

It's not a question of ethics - it's a question of: Should we SPARE THE LIVES of defectives in our army?

The answer must clearly be 'no'. Suicidal soldiers are simply being "all that they can be" in Today's Army by ridding society of themselves. By self-culling, it makes for a stronger army with better morale. And no fancy snot-spray is going to change that. If anything, it'll only serve to make the army's suicidal members into possible suicidal/homicidal members. So no, let them self-cull.

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Rather than developing a spray to cambat depression and suicidal thoughts, how about we get them the hell out of two wars that we know we have no business being in(other than profits) and they know they shouldn't have to be involved in, and bring them home where they belong. L Let us not put our brave young men and women in harms way until our nation is truly threatened.

On Iraq, I agree w you. On Afghanistan, we had to do it. Another 9/11 and we'd have to react even more strongly. We're dealing with animals here

Actually, I don't see why it wouldn't be ethical. In other words, how is it different from the antidepressants (Zoloft, Lexapro, Prozac, etc,) that are already on the market?

It prevents suicide by making people feel more happy, whats unethical about that. Though I agree on the notion that getting rid of the source is better than combating the effects.

It's unethical if they are "forced"/ordered to take it.

Is it on a collar like the ones used for dogs to get them to stop barking? If some one was feeling down and depressed Would it spray them in the face along with a little voice that says " we love you, be happy" wtf?

First of all we should not have any American soldiers on any foreign soil, in either war or peace. Our Constitution plainly states that we defend our borders. Since when have our borders reached the other side of the world? The only exception is if American lives were directly affected, such as what happened when the marines invaded Tripoli back in the 19th century, to retrieve our captured sailors. The U.N. has no say as to where the United States needs to have its troops. Let the U.N. mustard up their own army! As long as we allow the "Powers That Be" remain in control, we will always be a state of war, so that we will never regain the freedoms we once had.

Fighting on foreign soil is the ultimate way to protect our border, as long as we're fighting on their soil we're not fighting on ours. I would much rather see their homes and businesses in shambles from war than ours. Btw I'm a veteran of Afghanistan and Iraq, U.S.Army infantryman from the 3/187 Iron Rakkasan, the politics behind this war may be questionable but the same could be said of all wars. Pulling out of a country and leaving it in shambles will only breed more hatred, and in the end bring our foreign war to those borders you're preaching about protecting. Would you like to see the IEDs scattered about our country? Maybe you'll be satisfied when our borders are in constant battle.

Sir, first of all I want to thank you for your service and I do understand how you think in regards to protecting us. I am at least pleased that you question the politics of the situation and that is the heart of the matter. Rather than spouting about with emails back and forth, you might want to read a few things; "Pawns in the Game", by William Guy Carr, 1955. You will not find this book in any public library because it is an indictment on all governments and government backed institutions. The second thing to look up in your browser is "War is a Racket", a speech made by a general back in the 1930's.

It's more ethical than suicide.

Keep them high on pot they won't think of suicide , does that sound ethical.

...and make it available to others as well. Of course, this would only be a first step to get them the support, guidance, and treatment they really need to recovery and live a happier, healthier, more balanced life.

As long as its given with their consent or their families and they are receiving treatment for whatever may be pushing them to think about suicide.

Saying it's unethical is like saying we should ban antidepressants all together. Today the neighbor across the hall from me committed suicide. He left his 10 year old son with out a father. I guarantee you David, his son wishes his dad had this nasal spray right now.

I am so sorry about your neighbor and his child. I don't know them but I will say a prayer for all involved. If you end up being affected now or down the road, please get some help in processing this.

Thank you, I spoke to the mother of the child (they were divorced) and she said he was a very depressed man. He served our country as a marine during operation desert storm, his legs had been injured and was forced to use a cane/wheelchair for the rest of his life, in and out of the hospital. He habitually smoked marijuana and experimented with other drugs seeking happiness. I would have never known, I saw him regularly, his son being the only child close enough in age to be friends with my step son in our apartment building. He would go downstairs and play dominoes with other residents, you just couldn't tell. I'm very happy to see that the military is going as far as to invest time and money into developing a drug of this caliber, many of the technologies we have today were developed by the necessity of war and this is something I would love to see given to the public. Suicide rates are only getting worse, soon we'll be reliving the era of the madmen, no good.

Our government is so dirty they are the reason y there killing them selfs and if they spray it might be the reason why they commit suicide

Drugs are bad. Just have someone teach you how to deal with your problems. All it takes is a sympathetic ear and reminding someone of their self worth to keep a good bit of suicidal people from killing themselves.

There are some problems that cannot be dealt with any other way than medication. Chemical imbalances in the brain that can't just be gotten through by mere self-motivation. And some people... you can talk 'til you're blue in the face reassuring them of their self-worth but will never believe. Naturalists see medication as a crutch, but it's not a crutch if you actually need it to function and live a productive life. I miss my Zoloft, I miss my Ritalin... why'd I ever listen to my mother when she said I "didn't need it."

Oh gods Ritalin. Ok you might need it but for me it stuffed me up so bad I couldn't feel anything for 3 years. The moment I got sick of being numb I pretty much exploded with 3 years of un expressed emotional turmoil that could have been far better dealt with in smaller doses.
I'm better now, but despite my own chemical imbalances I have had to learn to just deal with it without meds. There are some, like me, who actually do need meds but refuse to because it makes them worse. There are brain exercises to help work through it but so far no one has been able to teach them to me or others like me. I had to teach myself. Am studying psychology to find a way to teach others.

they should make weed legal and let then smokw it

euphoric, calming, antidepressant effect........doesn't weed basically do that? & It's all natural! LOL

It's ethical as long as the person is fully informed of risks and benefits and gives consent. But remember, it's not only soldiers who are committing suicide at high rates. Male suicide rates overall are about 4 times that of female suicide. Feminist law and feminist policies have turned life into a nightmare for men generally. Soldiers returning from active duty find their wives have left them for someone else and the state supports those wives in alienating the children from their fathers. Soldiers return to be stung with huge (so-called) 'child support' arrears and penalties that they did not even know about. Their wives leave them to have sex with someone else and the state defends those wives' right to that immorality then enslaves the abandoned soldiers to pay for those wives' lifestyles ongoing. Soldiers and other men are thrown into debtors' prison when they are unable to pay the extortion called 'child support'. Men are blamed for everything bad and feminist ideology defines men as worthless. Suicide is an understandable release from the man-hating, man-exploiting society we have allowed to develop under feminist ideology.

Well, someone is anti-woman.

I suppose someone probably is but I certainly am not. Do your communication skills extend beyond personal attack, or is 'addressing the topic' more than you're capable of?

The argument that 'women attempt suicide more but men simply use more lethal methods' is commonly used by feminists to play down the real gender problem with suicide. Feminists avoid acknowledging any area in which men are the disadvantaged gender. Many claimed female suicide attempts are attention-seeking gestures, often repeatedly so by those who suffer from Borderline Personality Disorder. Most of the various behaviours described as 'sucide attempts' cannot reasonably be compared with successful suicides.

Further, in case you didn't notice, the age range 15 to 25 does not consist entirely of teenagers. Actually, many soldiers are in their 20's. Regardless, my post made it clear that the problem of male suicide extends beyond soldiers.

For statistics I recommend scientific research journals rather than the internet.

You seem like such a wonderful loving person... :\

Thanks grace, yes I am and I'm impressed with your intuition to guess that correctly in the absence of knowing anything about me.

Well stated and absolutely factually correct. The posters below need to grasp head, remove from ass, and get with reality...and that reality is that we've legislatively swung the women's rights pendulum so far to one side to correct some perceived imbalance, that we've created an imbalance that infringes upon the equal rights of men and fathers.
It's a large part of why 7 out of every 10 African-American children alive today in the US grow up never meeting their fathers.

I think it's right to try and save their lives. I don't think it's right to drug them. This "fix" will have to be on an ongoing basis as it doesn't solve the problem, it only temporarily alleviates it.

I think the bigger question is why is this happening to so many soldiers. I suspect evil is afoot.

Well I find it interesting that they are finding a nasal spray to rid suicidal thoughts I find that use fell but most soldiers have situational depression or the types that are normally cause from past events like bombing or shooting someone or having it happen to themselves, I don't see how a nasal spray will prevent disturbing flash backs that make you suicidal but I find the nasal spray itself intriguing. I don't think the spray is being used for the right people.