Is Anti-Suicide Spray Ethical?

If it works.

I agree with another poster... Let's find out why soldiers are feeling this way and help them with counseling and support, not brainwash afrin.

Why the need to mask the real problem? This goes to show how futile their reformation programs are... This won´t last for long, as the wars will continue for a long time... And believe me, depression is not like a normal disease, it gains strength even with little or no provocation, details in our daily life...

Treatment not cover-up drugs are needed. We also need to stop using our kids as world police. Go in, kick ass, get out. If it rises again, go in kick ass, move out. Occupation has been a killer since Roman times.

That would just be a band aid. That would not be a solution to the underlying problem which the army doesn't seem to be concerned with at all.

Of course you would need to ask the recipient this question...but after using the drug. Obviously, suicidal people are not in the frame of mind to chemically be dissuaded, but the time to reflect later might give them the perspective to live a happy, productive life, and to seek therapy for the underlying cause.

If they are successful in creating a drug like this, without narcotic effects (no "high"), I think my company should pump it through the air-handling system!

there goes the military again treating the symptom not the disease.
I'm not so sure I'd be confident going into battle with someone who is ":calm" and "feeling euphoric" watching my back.
Again treat the problem not just the issue that springs up from the problem.

A Yes, with some reservations. A hormone-replacement medication such as this requires--DEMANDS--case study on a case-by-case basis, not blanket distribution to every soldier. How effective will our troops be on the battlefield if they are in a 'Euphoria"? This drug could ,however, be given on a case by case basis, to troops who are under close supervision. How could our troops All be under close supervision in an area where gunfire and ambushes are the norm? I have another question: How many of these 116-plus soldiers had their orders to transfer back to a mainland base cancelled just days before leaving, AND, how many times had those orders been suddenly suspended/ revoked just days before a long-promised deployment home? Our soldiers have battle fatigue! They need their promised deployments back home when they are ordered to happen--not cancelled repeatedly, which is exactly what is happening. FIx the damned problem, not slap a medicine nose spray bandaid on it!

So long as the spray is used in conjunction with therapy to treat the Suicidal thoughts, it would be no different than prescribing anti-depressants currently on the market. But, it it's just handed out as a part of a mess kit... that's not treatment and certainly, not ethical.

Treat/prevent the cause of sudical thoughts instead of the symptions.

It is no different than any other medication being given out.

Ethical, yes, just like most treatment for disease (depression IS a disease). Practical? I'm sorry, but I can't see it.

if they gave it to the taliban and al qaeda our soldiers wouldn't need it.

It's shameful. We are not the world police & the only nation we should be building is our own. Idiots who never served shouldn't be elected to lead them. Our country is bankrupt & we send our kids to fight Muslim civil wars. We have a plethora of our problems we can't solve, how are we supposed to solve the whole world's problems?! Enough!! Vote Libertarian Gary Johnson!! Libertarians don't take lobbyist $$$ so you have to Google, but he's well worth a search!! Bcuz those who work for lobbyists sell out the American people they are elected to serve :'(

only a coward says we should not help those that need help. we are the only true superpower left in the world. it is our responsibility to help those that need it.

Lol! We are not a superpower. We are in need. Wake up!! But maybe we could spray suicide bombers with anti suicide spray & solve many problems :)

No more than forcing them to go to church.

They are NOT forced to 'go to church'.

Church HELPS those with suicidal problems.

oh sorry, peer pressure “The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche

In a rerun of the first couple of episodes of Star Trek; The Next Generation, the military of the future were portrayed as government-supplied-drug addicted cannon fodder.

With this, we seem to be headed in that direction.

I say no. Being a 9-year veteran with 2 deployments this looks like another ploy by the military to avoid addressing the real problem behind what is causing the emotional disruptions. War and the military alone is a stressful environment. The bottom line is that recruiting needs to have stricter guidelines for the people that volunteer, but that means less numbers being admitted and more money being spent in the process. Other factors are the training that our service men and women receive after they enlist. Spending a little more time on emotional awareness and coping skills can improve resilience to psychological traumas. Foremost, it is the responsibility of those decision makers who use war as an answer to political conflicts to ensure that the environment our military members serve in are as morally and ethically just as possible. That would mean that we couldn't initiate wars based on false intelligence and duping people in believing that what they are fighting for is freedom and the liberation of other countries.

lefty wisdom that bases its peaceful conclusions on the idea that if only we quit, so would our kind enemies and the world will sing kumbaya around the campfires of burning camel dung.

Perhaps standing against something is not as important as standing together. You don't need to focas on war to be a good warrior.

"Quit" what? If to quit falling for our government sending us to war on false pretenses, then I say a profound HELL YEAH. But I think we are past the point singing Kumbaya when our government is usually the government to instigate war. We as a government make our own enemies so why in the hell would they want to sing Kumbaya with us.
If you mean to quit all war then that is not what I am saying at all. We will always use war as a means to get what we want and there will always be some young, dumb, idiot like me to fight them. This left and right bs really keeps people from seeing what truly is happening. I guess you forgot that Harry S. Truman was the POTUS that took part in dropping the bomb on Nagasaki and Hiroshima. The point is to ensure that we are doing what we can to keep our men and women serving in honorable conditions and really taking care of them instead of throwing psychotropic drugs at them to put a band aid on the issues. If we can honestly say that that the military has done all that it can do to prevent things like suicide, PTS, depression, and use the spray as a crisis intervention only, then I would say yes. However, we cant say that the military has done everything to prevent these issues. This has nothing to do with left and right, especially since both parties use a different message to reach the same objectives.

spoken like a true peacenik leftist.
harry truman saved lives by showing the enemy that we could annihilate them easily if they continued war.
and iraq? and kuwait? we intitiated that? whose side are you on? afghanistan? we needed to bust the beehive of militant islam; which gets a pass from the left because they are aligned against america as well.
and your messiah has cut military spending and increased food stamps. obama looks like he's swiping a fly from his nose when he salutes a military sentry on the tarmacs.
your UN isn't the answer to our safety, it is the answer to our demise.

I suppose it's a good idea for preventing suicide, but if somebody wants to make this choice, let them.

I'm suicidal , and a former Marine. Some problems stem far much more then even military stress. I want to die, life for me is miserable. But I don't think getting addicted to let's say heroin, a drug that grants a euphoric state and can combat such downer feelings, as a solution to my actual problems. It just hides them away for a rainy day. Now I also know that antipsychotics and anti depressants that combat the chemical prosess of such things with out the high can INCREASE suicidal thoughts and actions. Now you want to take that impersonal , time delayed med, and turn it into a involuntary insta high. But you will also be getting a probable insta suicide with someone go could have just been depressed or on the fence with suicide. Such a powerful drug will have side effects worth many a cover up. We should have a right to die if we want, not to be forced to live with misery , but hiding it with a high. Then when we are on the street and addicted all that will be left is death since we are used to getting high when we feel down . Without that usual feeling the depression will feel so much worse. And when you are that low to start it is not good!

Oh no, if he commits suicide people will think he's a coward! After graduating the goddamn marines! Give me a break. if you have the right to lay down your life for your country, who is to tell you you can't lay it down for yourself? Is your life your own, given freely, or is it a military resource, to be spent by politicians? You sound brainwashed, man

Your right it's much better to go fight a "war" under false pretenses and die trying to rob Oil. Silly cowardly me. Now I can fight for some thing you believe in!

Hey Topher,
Just remember that there are still people out there who care and would like to help you. You have sacrificed a lot for the people of this country whether they admit it or not. Wherever you are located there should be programs that will work overtime to help you to feel better again. (Programs that aren't a part of the VA like http://www.thepathwayhome.org/). There are organizations like this all over the U.S. You just need to do some research to find them.

I don't want the government in charge of anyone's thoughts, that alone scares the hell out of me!. If they must ...let's try it out with an "Anti Lie" nasal spray for the politicians/president and see how that works out first!. PS..most of the experiments the military tries out on their solders are always revealed years later as horrifying and who knows what horrendous and harmful side effects this may have as well, now or years later. I think our solders have had enough punishment! Maybe most see no hope in going home anytime soon, or employment for them when they do,

Anytime you have a habitual and increasing accuracy in behavior, you have to look at the training and environment these people have to contend with. Military wives today often have an have little or no knowledge of what kind of life that there husband have and what would be expected of them when they marry into any military organization. It is often a cultural, financial and emotional shock. Added stress on the home front only add to the solders problems. The generation going into the military today have had a deferent kind of military indoctrination as a youth than those pre-Viet Nam error.

You really need to proofread your posts before posting.

I was a soldier and dealt with severe PTSD. Making soldiers take sprays to make them think a certain way is just a step into the door of a whole other realm of possibilities. What's next? A nasal spray that makes soldier follow orders even if illegal or unethical?

We don't need a spray for that.

Not ethical, because the army prefer made and use one drug instead avoyd civilians kills, wars for money, support status quo.

actually, they do attempt to avoid civilian casualties. unfortunately, in an urban war zone, it is inevitable.