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Is anarchy (a society without legitimized aggression) a workable societal system?

Petey August 01, 2011 16:03:15
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Governments, or states, have traditionally had two qualities; the power to use coercion (aggressive violence or the threat there of), and a monopoly on a territory. I do not think that society needs a violent, hegemonic, institution to be just and prosperous. I think the history of government crime shows that society would be better off without the "state". All the functions that the government currently fulfills can be more justly and efficiently administered through voluntary institutions.
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  • Scaldari Anitoba August 01, 2011 17:11:58
    No
    Scaldari Anitoba
    those who want control will always attempt to seize it by force without an organized resistance present. organized resistance takes some form of governance, hence anarchy is impossible
  • wolf sloan August 01, 2011 16:35:28
    Undecided
    wolf sloan
    The cavemen seemed to be ok with it
  • abubincrazy August 01, 2011 16:27:21 (edited)
    Undecided
    abubincrazy
    If everybody obeyed ONE law, we wouldn't need goverment or any other laws.

    The Golden Rule.

    Unfortunately, without laws many people would revert to the law of the jungle.

    Our government has WAY overstepped their authority, and we need new blood in DC.
  • Rusty Shackleford August 01, 2011 16:17:39
    No
    Rusty Shackleford
    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"

    These are not just empty words from some old guys in whigs, they have serious meaning.
  • Aspect of B August 01, 2011 16:15:23
    No
    Aspect of B
    Anarchy isn't a society without legitimized aggression. Anarchy is the absence of society.
  • Petey Aspect ... August 01, 2011 16:38:23
    Petey
    How so?
  • Aspect ... Petey August 01, 2011 16:40:59
    Aspect of B
    Anarchy is the absence of government, order, law, etc. Without any organization, how can society exist?
  • Petey Aspect ... August 02, 2011 12:46:18
    Petey
    Through voluntary association?!?! Why do we need coercion to have society? Coercion seems anti social to me.
  • Aspect ... Petey August 02, 2011 14:12:02
    Aspect of B
    You're saying the world's occupations should be entirely composed of volunteers. Okay, let's go with that for a minute. There's a reason many volunteer organizations don't work to their potential. If there's absolutely no incentive to do something (with the exception of maybe emergency volunteers), why wouldn't people just stay at home (assuming people have actually built homes)?
  • Petey Aspect ... August 02, 2011 17:19:49
    Petey
    Voluntary association does not mean working for free. It means people only associate with other people on their own volition. There is no coercion. People are free to trade and hire out their goods and services.
  • Aspect ... Petey August 02, 2011 17:55:40
    Aspect of B
    But that still only means most people would simply not do anything. In an anarchy, people have 100% freedom to do whatever they want...including the freedom to say "Screw it" to pretty much everything--and that includes the laws that prohibit theft, murder, and a million other crimes that would be the norm in an anarchy. I understand your want for a free-er society, but that doesn't mean we have to dip into anarchy to do it.
  • Petey Aspect ... August 04, 2011 19:02:07
    Petey
    Without a government people would still face serious consequences for theft and murder. There would still be people to punish them. The difference would be that those people wouldn't derive their wages/salaries from theft(i.e. taxation).
  • Aspect ... Petey August 04, 2011 20:38:28
    Aspect of B
    Then that's not really an anarchy, it's more of what we have now, just with toned down law and economic systems.
  • Petey Aspect ... August 08, 2011 14:13:59
    Petey
    Anarchy is just society without government. Anarchy is not chaos. Many people think anarchy leads to chaos, but they fail to take into account the economic incentives of everyone working together through voluntary association. The division of labor is really what brings a peaceful harmony to society, not thugs that steal from you while telling you it's for your own good.
  • Aspect ... Petey August 08, 2011 15:39:37
    Aspect of B
    But anarchy IS pretty much chaos. Without a governing body, decisions will be made by who? Some random guy? The problem with 'voluntary association' is that with no actual incentive to do anything, people WON'T do anything. You said that people will still get paid. Paid by who? Where is this money coming from? Again, what you seem to want isn't really an anarchy. It's the exact same thing we have now. The only difference is with your thing the government has less actual authority--which, truth be told, isn't that bad an idea.
  • Petey Aspect ... August 09, 2011 14:42:50
    Petey
    People will make decisions about their own lives. Mostly how it is today with the exception of government looters and thugs. (Looters being the tax collectors, and thugs being the arbitrary and ridiculous law enforcers. Enforcing an individual right is not being a thug, however.)

    The benefit of the division of labor is plenty of incentive to work together. Do you actually believe that the government runs the economy? All the wealth we currently have is due to the same forces I'm saying will work in a world without a violent hegemonic institution in society. People work to better their lives and exchange the fruits of their labor for things they want more.

    Free-market money would most likely be gold or silver. People would pay each other for goods and services with it. So, the money would be all the silver and gold that is already mined, and will be mined in the future.

    If you study economics, all this becomes perfectly clear. I suggest you go to mises.org
  • Aspect ... Petey August 09, 2011 15:24:57
    Aspect of B
    Hmm, I'm going to just take your word for it that this makes sense if I pay a visit to an economics class. Have a great week. :)
  • Petey Aspect ... August 10, 2011 14:16:07
    Petey
    +1
    Good luck and have fun!
  • Aspect ... Petey August 10, 2011 15:21:11
    Aspect of B
    :D
  • exsecrare August 01, 2011 16:08:17 (edited)
    No
    exsecrare
    there would be many, many ways for an individual to take advantage of it.
  • Petey exsecrare August 02, 2011 12:47:32
    Petey
    There are many, many, ways for an individual to use government to their advantage. In an anarchist society, they would only have voluntary means.
  • Sarah TH Marshall Switcher August 01, 2011 16:08:15
    No
    Sarah TH Marshall Switcher
    +1
    The government should exist to protect the rights of it's citizens from domestic and foreign threat and to provide justice. So you're left with the judicial system, police, the army, and possibly firefighters.

    So most services can be done away with.
  • Petey Sarah T... August 09, 2011 14:44:23
    Petey
    Why can't these services be funded through voluntary exchange? Wouldn't competition bring more efficiency and fairness to the judicial system and law enforcement?
  • Sarah T... Petey August 09, 2011 19:47:59
    Sarah TH Marshall Switcher
    Anarchy = No laws. No laws = no law enforcement.
  • Petey Sarah T... August 10, 2011 14:15:11
    Petey
    I think it goes more like this:
    Anarchy = no government. No government = no arbitrary laws.
    The difference between an "arbitrary" law and a "natural" law is that an arbitrary law require aggression to enforce. For example, the law against smoking pot. The police commit acts of violent aggression to confiscate or imprison the "offenders". This would be an arbitrary law. On the other hand a natural law would be the law against burglary. If someone breaks into your house, it doesn't take any aggression to enforce the law, just defensive violence.

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