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True~Male 2012/06/29 16:27:56
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  • Jackie G - Poker Playing Pa... 2012/06/29 17:03:13
    No, America is free --we still have choices regarding healthcare
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +3
    Obamacare now stands as a highly regressive tax on middle- and lower-income families, a tax on jobs, a tax on youth, a tax on health, a tax on freedom of choice. In his decision, Justice Roberts wrote, “It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.” This includes Mr. Obama and the congressional Democrats who voted for the Obamacare tax increase.

    Vote the liars in the WH out!!

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  • libertariosaur 2012/09/06 01:45:26
    No, America is free --we still have choices regarding healthcare
    libertariosaur
    People say socialism but I do not think they know what it means. There is one end of the scale which is free markets, and the other end of the scale is socialism or complete government ownership. We actually have a mixed economy. A mixture of government mandates, rules and interventions as well as aspects of capitalism. I would rather us be toward free-er markets but calling something socialism, which is not, is just a smear tactic that some people use. Don't fall into it.
  • HappyGuy 2012/06/30 16:24:36
    Yes America is now a Socialist Country
    HappyGuy
    +1
    But we will be getting cheaper healthcare premuims and our healthcare cost will start dropping due to the fact that everyone is paying now into the system . It's like all the working people will get a raise with lower health care costs and premuims .
  • Angi 2012/06/29 18:47:37
    No, America is free --we still have choices regarding healthcare
    Angi
    +2
    America is not heading towards Communism.
  • HappyGuy Angi 2012/06/30 16:27:52
    HappyGuy
    +1
    maybe not --we will however be seeing more money since health care cost will drop for all of us who have been paying for those that were not paying before . Now that everyone must pay into the system we will see health premuims drop and healthcare cost drop accross the board. Even those on welfare and SSI will have to start paying for their healthcare .
  • True~Male HappyGuy 2012/06/30 16:56:07
    True~Male
    +1
    The people on SSI must start paying for their fair share
  • Angi HappyGuy 2012/06/30 19:42:31
    Angi
    I have friends in the U.S and they pay a fortune for healthcare and it does not seem fair to me, but I also understand that people who are struggling on welfare should not be forced to pay big bills for healthcare.
  • True~Male Angi 2012/06/30 20:08:57
    True~Male
    +1
    everyone should pay 5% of their income to healthcare
  • Angi True~Male 2012/06/30 20:10:31
    Angi
    I think healh care should be free at the point of need. If you want to go private then you should also have that option. But you have a different system to us here.
  • Morningstar 2012/06/29 17:19:47
    No, America is free --we still have choices regarding healthcare
    Morningstar
    +1
    Socialist because we provide for our people?
  • True~Male Morning... 2012/06/30 16:56:32
    True~Male
    I have not seen that yet
  • Jackie G - Poker Playing Pa... 2012/06/29 17:03:13
    No, America is free --we still have choices regarding healthcare
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +3
    Obamacare now stands as a highly regressive tax on middle- and lower-income families, a tax on jobs, a tax on youth, a tax on health, a tax on freedom of choice. In his decision, Justice Roberts wrote, “It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.” This includes Mr. Obama and the congressional Democrats who voted for the Obamacare tax increase.

    Vote the liars in the WH out!!
  • Morning... Jackie ... 2012/06/29 17:21:17
    Morningstar
    taxes??? the only "tax" is a penalty for not buying health insurance!
  • Jackie ... Morning... 2012/06/29 17:23:00 (edited)
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +1
    Try looking at the bill - there are 19 new taxes in it including taxes on such silly things as heart valves, wheel chairs for just one example.

    Nineteen taxes in the bill as a matter of fact. They include:

    The number of new tax increases in the healthcare bill: 19

    The number of tax increases that unquestionably violate President Obama’s “firm pledge” not to raise “any form” of taxes on families making less than $250,000: 7

    The tax increase over the first decade if the healthcare bill becomes law: $497 billion

    The top federal tax rate on wages and self-employment earnings under this bill: 43.4%

    The annual tax hike for every man, woman, and child in America: $165

    The top federal tax rate on early distributions from HSAs under this bill: 59.6%

    The most parents of special-needs kids can save tax-free for tuition in FSAs (currently, the amount is unlimited): $2500

    Read more: http://www.atr.org/obamacare-...
    •Individual Mandate Excise Tax
    •Employer Mandate Tax
    •Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans
    •Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax
    •Medicine Cabinet Tax
    •HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike
    •Flexible Spending Account Cap - aka "Special Needs Kids Tax"
    •Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers
    •Raise "Haircut" for Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI
    •Tax on Indoor Tanning Serv...





    Try looking at the bill - there are 19 new taxes in it including taxes on such silly things as heart valves, wheel chairs for just one example.

    Nineteen taxes in the bill as a matter of fact. They include:

    The number of new tax increases in the healthcare bill: 19

    The number of tax increases that unquestionably violate President Obama’s “firm pledge” not to raise “any form” of taxes on families making less than $250,000: 7

    The tax increase over the first decade if the healthcare bill becomes law: $497 billion

    The top federal tax rate on wages and self-employment earnings under this bill: 43.4%

    The annual tax hike for every man, woman, and child in America: $165

    The top federal tax rate on early distributions from HSAs under this bill: 59.6%

    The most parents of special-needs kids can save tax-free for tuition in FSAs (currently, the amount is unlimited): $2500

    Read more: http://www.atr.org/obamacare-...
    •Individual Mandate Excise Tax
    •Employer Mandate Tax
    •Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans
    •Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax
    •Medicine Cabinet Tax
    •HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike
    •Flexible Spending Account Cap - aka "Special Needs Kids Tax"
    •Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers
    •Raise "Haircut" for Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI
    •Tax on Indoor Tanning Services
    •Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike *BTW, this is a NON PROFIT INSURANCE COMPANY that many people in public services like teachers, police and firefighters have-so if you think this won't impact you it will through higher taxes to help people already making low middle class incomes to afford it. How do I know? I'm a teacher. My insurance rates have gone up fifteen percent each year since Sept. 2011.
    •Tax on Innovator Drug Companies
    •Tax on Health Insurers
    •Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage
    •Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2 (Preamble to taxing health benefits on individual tax returns)
    (less)
    (more)
  • HappyGuy Morning... 2012/06/30 16:31:20 (edited)
    HappyGuy
    +1
    Everyone now with healthcare can expect to see a drop in their premuims and co-pays etc. the more people that pay into the system the cheaper it become for those that use to carry the load for those that didn't carry insurance --now even those on Social security SSSI and welfare will have to pay something or risk a penality !!
  • jgh57 2012/06/29 16:59:37
    No, America is free --we still have choices regarding healthcare
    jgh57
    +2
    We have the same choices we have always had. If you work for a company that provides insurance they will still pick your insurance company for you. If you are providing your own insurance you still have the right to pick whoever you can afford. The only difference is that if you choose not to take insurance the rest of us will not have to totally pay your way when you go to the ER. You will be paying your own way through a tax.
  • True~Male jgh57 2012/06/29 17:02:52 (edited)
    True~Male
    +2
    even the poor and the homeless must now pay something , no free ride for anyone . The poor and homeless will be fined and possibly jailed for not contributing at least 5% of what they have on their person . Alumium cans can count for their contribution !
  • Jackie ... True~Male 2012/06/29 17:04:03
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +2
    Yup, hard to understand those who think that taxing the middle classes and poor is a good thing
  • True~Male Jackie ... 2012/06/29 17:06:20
    True~Male
    +2
    even the homeless will be taxed now or face a fine
  • Jackie ... True~Male 2012/06/29 17:10:55
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +2
    Yup - all those folks getting tax refunds and the 48% paying no taxes will pay and they will pay for 19 other new taxes in the bill too.
  • True~Male Jackie ... 2012/06/30 00:12:12
    True~Male
    +1
    i HOPESO
  • Morning... Jackie ... 2012/06/29 17:25:13
    Morningstar
    Jackie - you are on crack - the healthcare reform act only taxes those that don't buy insurance - everyone should pay in - there are other benefits in the act too!
  • Jackie ... Morning... 2012/06/29 17:30:22 (edited)
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +1
    Sweetie, you do need to read it - they are all there - not even democrats deny it there is even a tax on house sales and people who have really good insurance (they call them cadillac plans) - 19 (some say 21) -

    Read the bill
    Nineteen taxes in the bill as a matter of fact. They include:

    The number of new tax increases in the healthcare bill: 19

    The number of tax increases that unquestionably violate President Obama’s “firm pledge” not to raise “any form” of taxes on families making less than $250,000: 7

    The tax increase over the first decade if the healthcare bill becomes law: $497 billion

    The top federal tax rate on wages and self-employment earnings under this bill: 43.4%

    The annual tax hike for every man, woman, and child in America: $165

    The top federal tax rate on early distributions from HSAs under this bill: 59.6%

    The most parents of special-needs kids can save tax-free for tuition in FSAs (currently, the amount is unlimited): $2500

    Read more: http://www.atr.org/obamacare-...
    •Individual Mandate Excise Tax
    •Employer Mandate Tax
    •Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans
    •Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax
    •Medicine Cabinet Tax
    •HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike
    •Flexible Spending Account Cap - aka "Special Needs Kids Tax"
    •Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers
    •Raise "Hai...






    Sweetie, you do need to read it - they are all there - not even democrats deny it there is even a tax on house sales and people who have really good insurance (they call them cadillac plans) - 19 (some say 21) -

    Read the bill
    Nineteen taxes in the bill as a matter of fact. They include:

    The number of new tax increases in the healthcare bill: 19

    The number of tax increases that unquestionably violate President Obama’s “firm pledge” not to raise “any form” of taxes on families making less than $250,000: 7

    The tax increase over the first decade if the healthcare bill becomes law: $497 billion

    The top federal tax rate on wages and self-employment earnings under this bill: 43.4%

    The annual tax hike for every man, woman, and child in America: $165

    The top federal tax rate on early distributions from HSAs under this bill: 59.6%

    The most parents of special-needs kids can save tax-free for tuition in FSAs (currently, the amount is unlimited): $2500

    Read more: http://www.atr.org/obamacare-...
    •Individual Mandate Excise Tax
    •Employer Mandate Tax
    •Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans
    •Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax
    •Medicine Cabinet Tax
    •HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike
    •Flexible Spending Account Cap - aka "Special Needs Kids Tax"
    •Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers
    •Raise "Haircut" for Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI
    •Tax on Indoor Tanning Services
    •Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike *BTW, this is a NON PROFIT INSURANCE COMPANY that many people in public services like teachers, police and firefighters have-so if you think this won't impact you it will through higher taxes to help people already making low middle class incomes to afford it. How do I know? I'm a teacher. My insurance rates have gone up fifteen percent each year since Sept. 2011.
    •Tax on Innovator Drug Companies
    •Tax on Health Insurers
    •Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage
    •Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2 (Preamble to taxing health benefits on individual tax returns)
    (less)
    (more)
  • jgh57 True~Male 2012/06/29 17:07:19
    jgh57
    +1
    There is a scale. Depending on income that would either help pay or again depending on income they would still be able to get Medicaid which costs nothing and meets the standard for insurance.
  • Jackie ... jgh57 2012/06/29 17:09:42 (edited)
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +1
    It does not cost nothing - there is nothing that is free - Do you think there is a money tree in the basement of the WH or maybe a goose laying gold eggs. It costs all of us.

    Obamacare now stands as a highly regressive tax on middle- and lower-income families, a tax on jobs, a tax on youth, a tax on health, a tax on freedom of choice. In his decision, Justice Roberts wrote, “It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.” This includes Mr. Obama and the congressional Democrats who voted for the Obamacare tax increase.
  • jgh57 Jackie ... 2012/06/29 18:19:16
    jgh57
    +1
    No it does not. You are already paying for insurance or your employer is. There is already Medicaid for the poor. the only tax is on those who choose to gamble and not have insurance. The rest of us are paying for those people when they wind up in the ER or ICU. This just makes them carry their own weight like everyone else.
  • Jackie ... jgh57 2012/06/29 18:22:52
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    Read the bill - or remain uninformed - your choice


    Nineteen taxes in the bill as a matter of fact. They include:

    The number of new tax increases in the healthcare bill: 19

    The number of tax increases that unquestionably violate President Obama’s “firm pledge” not to raise “any form” of taxes on families making less than $250,000: 7

    The tax increase over the first decade if the healthcare bill becomes law: $497 billion

    The top federal tax rate on wages and self-employment earnings under this bill: 43.4%

    The annual tax hike for every man, woman, and child in America: $165

    The top federal tax rate on early distributions from HSAs under this bill: 59.6%

    The most parents of special-needs kids can save tax-free for tuition in FSAs (currently, the amount is unlimited): $2500

    Read more: http://www.atr.org/obamacare-...
    •Individual Mandate Excise Tax
    •Employer Mandate Tax
    •Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans
    •Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax
    •Medicine Cabinet Tax
    •HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike
    •Flexible Spending Account Cap - aka "Special Needs Kids Tax"
    •Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers
    •Raise "Haircut" for Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI
    •Tax on Indoor Tanning Services
    •Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike *BTW, this is a NON PROFIT INSURANCE COMPANY that many ...



    Read the bill - or remain uninformed - your choice


    Nineteen taxes in the bill as a matter of fact. They include:

    The number of new tax increases in the healthcare bill: 19

    The number of tax increases that unquestionably violate President Obama’s “firm pledge” not to raise “any form” of taxes on families making less than $250,000: 7

    The tax increase over the first decade if the healthcare bill becomes law: $497 billion

    The top federal tax rate on wages and self-employment earnings under this bill: 43.4%

    The annual tax hike for every man, woman, and child in America: $165

    The top federal tax rate on early distributions from HSAs under this bill: 59.6%

    The most parents of special-needs kids can save tax-free for tuition in FSAs (currently, the amount is unlimited): $2500

    Read more: http://www.atr.org/obamacare-...
    •Individual Mandate Excise Tax
    •Employer Mandate Tax
    •Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans
    •Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax
    •Medicine Cabinet Tax
    •HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike
    •Flexible Spending Account Cap - aka "Special Needs Kids Tax"
    •Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers
    •Raise "Haircut" for Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI
    •Tax on Indoor Tanning Services
    •Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike *BTW, this is a NON PROFIT INSURANCE COMPANY that many people in public services like teachers, police and firefighters have-so if you think this won't impact you it will through higher taxes to help people already making low middle class incomes to afford it. How do I know? I'm a teacher. My insurance rates have gone up fifteen percent each year since Sept. 2011.
    •Tax on Innovator Drug Companies
    •Tax on Health Insurers
    •Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage
    •Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2 (Preamble to taxing health benefits on individual tax returns)
    (more)
  • jgh57 Jackie ... 2012/06/29 23:18:39
    jgh57
    Don't care. It's the right thing to do.
  • Morning... True~Male 2012/06/29 17:23:27
    Morningstar
    They won't be jailed!
  • Morning... jgh57 2012/06/29 17:21:47
    Morningstar
    Yep!
  • BOOGIE-WOOGIE-MUSIC-MAN-ROC... 2012/06/29 16:59:36
    No, America is free --we still have choices regarding healthcare
    BOOGIE-WOOGIE-MUSIC-MAN-ROCK-N-R
    Health care has been nothing, but band aid stations collection agencies, and pill pushers. we still have the freedom to make an appointment. to go and visit the quack.
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾ 2012/06/29 16:55:14
    Yes America is now a Socialist Country
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    if you seriously think this then please leave the country
  • True~Male ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/06/29 16:58:46
    True~Male
    +2
    I will stay and fight to change it back
  • JanHopkins 2012/06/29 16:49:37
    Yes America is now a Socialist Country
    JanHopkins
    +2
    Let's change the flag and set times and dates to socialize. I can't wait for Obama to pay my electric bill, mortgage, groceries, healthcare, waterbill, gas bill and transportation. I'll even get a free cell phone. Looks like someone else will have to bust their @ss at the factory now. Probably the Mexicans. This is called Freedom through Slavery.
  • True~Male JanHopkins 2012/06/29 16:59:32
    True~Male
    +1
    yes , you said it best
  • FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX 2012/06/29 16:38:54
    Yes America is now a Socialist Country
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    +1
    ...so you should move right away.
  • True~Male FAWKES'... 2012/06/29 17:00:25
    True~Male
    +2
    I would rather stay and fight and take back America --give me liberty or give me death !! Go Romney
  • FAWKES'... True~Male 2012/06/29 18:56:15
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    +1
    LMAO!! Romney will sell off America in chunks like he did at Bain.

    I don't understand why you're so upset. The Supreme Court de-facto upheld Romney's Individual Mandate and Health Care Law too. Isn't that great?
  • True~Male 2012/06/29 16:28:42
    Yes America is now a Socialist Country
    True~Male
    +1
    Sadly it is now a socialist country within 20 years we will be communist
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... True~Male 2012/06/29 16:56:22
  • True~Male ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/06/29 17:01:25

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