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Is America Heading Towards a Civil War Pre or Post 2012 Elections?

Randice 2011/08/31 15:11:20
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What has become increasingly clear within the past 6 months is that some of those on the left are ratcheting up the rhetoric of committing violence and/or economic terrorism. The left blames the right for committing such acts, examples include a person from the tea party calling a Congressman the “N” word, referring to President Obama as a ‘socialist’ and carrying signs that say “we want our country back”. Let us pretend for the sake of argument that all that is true. I am not going to go into all the names that the right and the tea party have been called. One, I think it’s childish, and two, those are child play when compared to what some on the left is orchestrating.


Let us look for example at President Obama’s remarks on a radio interview before midterm elections speaking to the Latino crowd:


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/25/in-appeal-to-hi...

“If Latinos sit out the election instead of saying, ‘We’re going to punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us,’ if they don’t see that kind of upsurge in voting in this election, then I think it’s going to be harder and that’s why I think it’s so important that people focus on voting on November 2.”

Which American exactly is the President referring to as being both his and the Latino’s enemy? Is the President of the United States not to represent ALL Americans regardless of their race? Yet, we can see from here, it only gets worse with this administration.


The media has portrayed the tea party as being white. From there I just need to stop because at first they were considered a small group and not noteworthy to pay attention to. Then they were referred to as uneducated, then they were referred to as old white men. Later demographics would show otherwise, so the only thing we can say that’s remained consistent is that they are white.


The tea party has been going out and fighting for all Americans; regardless of race, gender, age, nationality, religion, etc.. yet, somehow they are being demonized as being ‘unpatriotic’, ‘unamerican’, ‘bigots’, ‘racists’ and my new personal favorite, ‘terrorists’.


Some members of Congress have upped the ante. Let’s look for example at Representative Waters telling the tea party they can go straight to hell and she’ll help get them there. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/08/rep_waters_tea_pa.... Does Representative Waters forget that the tea party is made up of Americans?


Representative Carter has seemed to take that and run with it like a speeding freight train. In an article printed today, Rep. Andre Carson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus leadership, said Tea Party-aligned lawmakers view blacks as "second-class citizens" and would like to see African Americans "hanging on a tree." http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/...

Has the left become so desperate that outlandish remarks are now commonplace? Is this what the House of Representatives has come down to? How can this possibly be acceptable, and whom is going to hold them accountable? And, I’m talking about more than the voters.


The SEIU (et. al) is joining the race at who can destroy the country first through economic terrorism. While, it at least appears, they are not tea-party tunnel visioned, it appears their two groups that they are trying to create a civil war with are the haves and have nots. In news to make you squirm, you can read their activities in their own words here: http://www.seiu.org/issues/economic-recovery/

To really get the point across on how serious they are, Steve Lerner, former CEO of SEIU and most frequent guest at the White House, was secretly recorded in a private meeting on plans to crash the US economy.
http://www.businessinsider.com/seiu-union-plan-to-destroy-jpm...
– Has Lerner and his lemming followers forgot that if the economy crashes, everyone’s money is gone? No pensions, no retirements, no nothing. It always amused me that union members thought they would somehow land a windfall. Actually, it will ensure they don’t have a pot to piss in.

But, Not to be outdone, comes Dave Swanson, one of the organizers of October2011. (Website is here:
http://october2011.org/welcome
)

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/radicals-plan-cairo-style-occ...


“We’re planning to model our behavior after the actions in Cairo, Egypt and Tahrir Square,” Swanson said. “We’re going to be at Freedom Plaza in Washington D.C.. we’re going to occupy it beginning October 6th, and we’re going to remain, and we’re not to nonviolently interfere, and shut down the offices of our government until we begin to get some movement.

Dave Swanson goes into detail here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucaMuP2E0rM&feature;=player_em...


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Back to the initial allegations of the tea party, is there anyone who can honestly state the tea party is ratcheting up violence or economic terrorism?


This leads me to question, though off topic from the original question, excellent food for thought. What are these people still doing in the United States, and why have they not had their citizenship stripped? The below are excerpts from USC8. Perhaps it’s just me, but I think the above examples qualify for removal of citizenship.


USC8 Ch. 12 1481 sec. 7


(7) committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383 of title 18, or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385 of title 18, or violating section 2384 of title 18 by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, if and when he is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction.

§ 2383. Rebellion or insurrection


"Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.



§ 2384. Seditious conspiracy


If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.


§ 2385. Advocating overthrow of Government


Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—


Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.


If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.


As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.


Let me be clear, I have friends and family who are on the left. This is not to say that I believe all on the left are bad people. They’re not. But clearly, some on the left are creating a situation which has the potential of being more than they bargained for. So, to those people…. You are hereby put on notice. You can call me a racist, a bigot, a terrorist, a *itch, whatever you want, to make you sleep better at night. You however will not stop or intimidate me. In fact, you are only further emboldening me. I am going to work to take our country back from what you whackjobs, socialists, communists, Rino’s, race-baiters have done. We the people are coming. And we the people are going to turn our Country back into the Constitutional Republic. And we the people are going to work to ensure that everyone has the right to life, liberty and PURSUIT OF happiness.

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  • Old Salt 2011/08/31 17:38:36
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    Old Salt
    +32
    I'm a White Male: Sick and fed up with being the last to be considered for his contributions to his great country! Any remembrance of my good deeds from fighting in Vietnam to raising 5 productive children have been totally whipped away because I'm white and a male!

    I'm a Christian: Any pronouncement of my faith, any desire I have to place a Manger Scene I constructed for our town square at Christmas is met with opposition from City Council in fears of being sued by the ACLU!

    I'm Heterosexual: Therefore I'm branded as a "homophobic" for my convictions of "same sex marriage!"

    I'm a Texan: Therefore I'm considered a "rebel" that is opposed to some "New World Order" that is being pushed by my country that I don't want!

    I'm a Tea Party Patriot: Because I believe as our Founding Fathers, I'm now a "Terrorist that can go to Hell!"

    I'm a Believer in Helping My Fellow Man: Not through Govt, but through private donations of my time and money. Therefore, I'm a hater of those who need assistance!

    I am all these things which somehow don't seem to be "Politically Correct" anymore. As IF I give a damn about that. I worry NOT for myself, but for the children & grand children I leave behind.

    Yet, as satisfied with the life I've dedicated to my God, my Country and my Child...





    I'm a White Male: Sick and fed up with being the last to be considered for his contributions to his great country! Any remembrance of my good deeds from fighting in Vietnam to raising 5 productive children have been totally whipped away because I'm white and a male!

    I'm a Christian: Any pronouncement of my faith, any desire I have to place a Manger Scene I constructed for our town square at Christmas is met with opposition from City Council in fears of being sued by the ACLU!

    I'm Heterosexual: Therefore I'm branded as a "homophobic" for my convictions of "same sex marriage!"

    I'm a Texan: Therefore I'm considered a "rebel" that is opposed to some "New World Order" that is being pushed by my country that I don't want!

    I'm a Tea Party Patriot: Because I believe as our Founding Fathers, I'm now a "Terrorist that can go to Hell!"

    I'm a Believer in Helping My Fellow Man: Not through Govt, but through private donations of my time and money. Therefore, I'm a hater of those who need assistance!

    I am all these things which somehow don't seem to be "Politically Correct" anymore. As IF I give a damn about that. I worry NOT for myself, but for the children & grand children I leave behind.

    Yet, as satisfied with the life I've dedicated to my God, my Country and my Children, I'm MAD AS HELL at those who think their lack of such values should be placed above mine! So mad, that I often do indeed start listening to people I've not listened to before! For I've indeed heard ALL the bad things that subversive organizations have done in the past, yet they seem to be so much LESS damning to this Country then what these NEW Socialist people are saying and doing now?

    So, I'm watching, I'm waiting and I'm listening like I'm a Patrick Henry, or a Paul Revere or a John Paul Jones! If I am called or when I am called, I will answer and proudly come to the aide of my Country! It is indeed the very least I could leave to those who after me. A Free Republic that will have been fought for twice! Once against England and once against a new Socialists that will be in my cross-hairs should I be called!



    aide country leave free republic fought england socialists cross-hairs american   texas flag
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  • Kevin Lawson 2012/03/18 19:02:21
    Undecided
    Kevin Lawson
    +1
    The NDAA:

    The end of America: House and Senate pass final version of NDAA: http://bit.ly/ui3wZB

    Worldwide Lawsuit Against the US Government! http://bit.ly/zxLS6W
    ___

    The Trespass Bill:

    H.R. 347: Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011: http://bit.ly/HR347

    Goodbye, First Amendment: ‘Trespass Bill’ will make protest illegal: http://bit.ly/347HR
    ___

    The Drone Bill:

    H.R. 658: FAA Air Transportation Modernization and Safety Improvement Act: http://bit.ly/658HR

    30,000 Drones To Police U.S. Airspace: http://bit.ly/EyeInSky

    Congress OKs 30,000 flying drones spying on Americans across U.S. cities: http://bit.ly/SkyEyeUSA
    ___

    The Enemy Expatriation Act:

    H.R. 3166: Enemy Expatriation Act: http://bit.ly/HR3166

    The Enemy Expatriation Act and the NDAA: Due Process Destroyed? http://bit.ly/3166HR
    The end of America: House and Senate pass final version of NDAA
    The NDAA:

    The end of America: House and Senate pass final version of NDAA: http://bit.ly/ui3wZB

    Worldwide Lawsuit Against the US Government! http://bit.ly/zxLS6W
    ___

    The Trespass Bill:

    H.R. 347: Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011: http://bit.ly/HR347

    Goodbye, First Amendment: ‘Trespass Bill’ will make protest illegal: http://bit.ly/347HR
    ___

    The Drone Bill:

    H.R. 658: FAA Air Transportation Modernization and Safety Improvement Act: http://bit.ly/658HR

    30,000 Drones To Police U.S. Airspace: http://bit.ly/EyeInSky

    Congress OKs 30,000 flying drones spying on Americans across U.S. cities: http://bit.ly/SkyEyeUSA
    ___

    The Enemy Expatriation Act:

    H.R. 3166: Enemy Expatriation Act: http://bit.ly/HR3166

    The Enemy Expatriation Act and the NDAA: Due Process Destroyed? http://bit.ly/3166HR
    The end of America: House and Senate pass final version of NDAA
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  • Randice Kevin L... 2012/03/19 17:27:35
    Randice
    I'm sure you heard of the EO he expanded on this weekend?
  • vis_viva 2012/02/25 16:36:11
    No
    vis_viva
    No. There are some extremist nuts who FANTASIZE about one.

    Right:
    On the right they're the guys who are SURE President Obama is going to declare martial law and take their guns. They almost seem to have an emotional NEED him to come after their guns so they can get a visceral rush from defending them. And these are the same people, however who if he does win (and though it is too early to tell, there is a good chance he will) are going to swear the election was invalid for some reason or another.

    Left:
    And YES we have them on the left too. On the left they are are (for example) a faction of the OWS people who reject the concept of representative government as a whole. I am sympathetic to OWS. I am very concerned with the pull big money has in my government. I don't begrudge the 1% for doing well for providing some good or service better than anyone else. I begrudge SOME of the them, however for attempts at owning the government and neglecting the commons. If I had to pick between them and the tea party I would lean OWS. HOWEVER, there are some die-hard anarchists in the mix that reject any system of representative government; not just for the OWS moment itself, but for the country as a whole. I cannot get on board with them. Those guys have similar fantasies a "peoples" reb...



    No. There are some extremist nuts who FANTASIZE about one.

    Right:
    On the right they're the guys who are SURE President Obama is going to declare martial law and take their guns. They almost seem to have an emotional NEED him to come after their guns so they can get a visceral rush from defending them. And these are the same people, however who if he does win (and though it is too early to tell, there is a good chance he will) are going to swear the election was invalid for some reason or another.

    Left:
    And YES we have them on the left too. On the left they are are (for example) a faction of the OWS people who reject the concept of representative government as a whole. I am sympathetic to OWS. I am very concerned with the pull big money has in my government. I don't begrudge the 1% for doing well for providing some good or service better than anyone else. I begrudge SOME of the them, however for attempts at owning the government and neglecting the commons. If I had to pick between them and the tea party I would lean OWS. HOWEVER, there are some die-hard anarchists in the mix that reject any system of representative government; not just for the OWS moment itself, but for the country as a whole. I cannot get on board with them. Those guys have similar fantasies a "peoples" rebellion.

    All sympathy to SOME of their causes does NOT equate to adherence to ALL of their extremists beliefs. The Tea Party cannot even get a very conservative presidential candidate nominated for the Republican party. And on the left, despite all the ridiculous claims of "socialism" President Obama has been a very centrist Democrat constantly attempting to appease the right. Not only was single payer off the table from the start, but Health care reform didn't even include a public option. It turned out to be the least progressive thing possible short of doing nothing.

    So the fringes of the left and the right both have limited influence within others who are sympathetic to them. They are divorced from reality and could in no way produce a Civil-War level schism.
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  • Randice vis_viva 2012/02/28 00:44:26 (edited)
    Randice
    So because people are afraid their 2nd amendment rights are going to be infringed (I'm sure Hillary's dealings with the UN has NOTHING to do with it, along with the intent behind fast and furious (warning, sarcasm alert)), that makes them racist? That's part of my point... no, that's not racist.

    We agree OWS are total nutjobs, but, I haven't seen anything racist from them. Murders? Yes. Rapes? Yes. Drug use? Yes. Defecation in public? Yes. Destruction of public property? Yes. Arson? Yes. Endangering a child? Yes. But racism? No... I don't think I've seen it.
    I'm curious... how many of the above have you seen from the tea party?
  • vis_viva Randice 2012/02/28 19:17:58
    vis_viva
    #1 When did I call people who are defending their 2nd amendment rights racist?
    I was characterizing the fringe element of the right and used an example of people who see a lefty around every corner trying to take their guns away. There are definitely people who almost seem to WANT someone to try take their guns away so they can get the thrill of needing to defend them. I indicated such people tend to live in a fantasy land and only have limited traction with main-stream conservatives

    #2 When did I call OWS total nutjobs?
    I clearly indicated I relate more to them than the tea party and am sympathetic to many of the same causes. In that very diverse very ill-defined group there is also a fringe element that rejects the very concept of representative government. Those people I cannot get behind at all. Similarly they too tend to live in a fantasy land and only have limited traction with main-stream progressives.

    By the way:
    The Hillary/UN thing is a red herring used to rile up the 2nd amendment base. After desperately trying to find ANYTHING to make Present Obama out as 2nd amendment boogieman this (completely unsubstantive in regards to effecting American citizens in America) resolution is the best they can do. In any real terms that actually effects American citizens in America the Obama administration has EXPANDED gun rights.
  • Randice vis_viva 2012/03/10 20:23:27
    Randice
    Whoops - on the first one. I was in a previous blog and that's where my head was at. Sorry!
    So now onto your points. I don't believe at all that anyone that wants their rights to bear arms wants people to take them away so they can 'get a thrill'. That's just plain nuts.
    You didn't call OWS nutjobs - I threw that in (sarcasm). The difference (at least in government, and only government) is that the tea party doesn't believe in no government, that's anarchy; but, they do believe in 'limited government'. Too much government (like what we have) is centric - the opposite of how we were founded.
    Lastly, the Small Arms Treaty is not a red herring, albeit, it can't override the Constitution, but that said, since when does this administration care about that?
  • Kevin L... vis_viva 2012/03/18 19:04:05
    Kevin Lawson
    +2
    Wake up
  • Kevin L... Kevin L... 2012/03/18 19:04:41
    Kevin Lawson
    +2
    history always repeats itself
  • vis_viva Kevin L... 2012/03/19 00:51:18
    vis_viva
    In what way?
  • Randice vis_viva 2012/03/19 17:27:08
    Randice
    Reverting back to England - the exact same thing our founders left.
  • kapsa321 2011/12/28 02:35:34
    Yes
    kapsa321
    Those who seek to make peace rebellion impossible only serve to make violent revolution inevitable.
  • Ali ~ In My Heart I Trust ~ 2011/12/28 02:05:25
    No
    Ali ~ In My Heart I Trust ~
    We have a culture divide and a financial divide. I believe we can work towards unity without the foolishness of a war.
  • PC Gamer Name "Angry Assassin" 2011/10/18 06:53:58 (edited)
    Yes
    PC Gamer Name "Angry Assassin"
    +1
    The way that things are shaping up, I'd say "Yes."
  • doc in maine 2011/10/01 23:24:31
    Yes
    doc in maine
    yes u believe that the far right of the rnc and their masters are pushing the middle , the poor, sick and the informed to pick up sword, gun and kaybar instead of a phone, congres is and now a mochery of leadership and direction it is kinegarden
  • Randice doc in ... 2011/12/28 01:03:42
    Randice
    That's funny... have you watched the movements of OWS lately?
  • MLor 2011/09/08 18:06:15
    Undecided
    MLor
    +2
    I'm gonna let it play out, be as respectful as I can, and prepare for the worst & hope for the best, just as you would do with any disastrous
    It could happen tomorrow. Be prepared!
  • MLor MLor 2011/09/08 18:11:46
    MLor
    +1
    Just as you would do in any disaster (what I meant to say).
  • texasred 2011/09/04 20:15:51
    Yes
    texasred
    +4
    Obama and the Dems are doing their best to cause a civil war. They've been working on class warfare, but have now stepped it up to become a race war, e.g. Waters, Carson, et al. and their race-baiting. Obama wants to declare martial law in order to take our guns away.
  • Randice texasred 2011/09/08 01:52:18
    Randice
    +4
    Especially after the incident this weekend, I don't know how people could think otherwise....

    Operation Fast and Furious was a sure botch, Why do you suppose the secret program was put into action in the first place?
  • texasred Randice 2011/09/08 01:57:11
    texasred
    +3
    Most of us know it was to take our guns away. Much easier to control the people if they have no guns.
  • Randice texasred 2011/09/08 02:23:18
    Randice
    +2
    Exactly.....
  • MLor Randice 2011/09/08 18:09:56
    MLor
    +1
    Holder should be removed. You can't tell me he didn't know.
  • Randice MLor 2011/09/08 20:48:58
    Randice
    Of course he did...

    Both President Obama and Eric Holder claim they knew nothing of OFF.

    However, OFF was initially “Project Gunrunner”. In April 2009, Janet Napolitano and Eric Holder travelled to Mexico to announce the US’s cooperation with Mexico on weapons flowing into Mexico. I actually found this still on the DOJ website. Suggest to download before they realize it’s on there.

    http://www.justice.gov/ag/spe...


    Excerpt from Holder’s speech:

    Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels. My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner, DEA is adding 16 new positions on the border, as well as mobile enforcement teams, and the FBI is creating a new intelligence group focusing on kidnapping and extortion. DHS is making similar commitments, as Secretary Napolitano will detail.

    But as today’s conference has emphasized, the problem of arms trafficking will not be stopped at the border alone. Rather, as our experts emphasized, this is a problem that must be met as part of a comprehensive attack against the cartels – an attack in depth, on both sides of the border, that focuses on the leadership and assets of the cartel. This is the ty...

    Of course he did...

    Both President Obama and Eric Holder claim they knew nothing of OFF.

    However, OFF was initially “Project Gunrunner”. In April 2009, Janet Napolitano and Eric Holder travelled to Mexico to announce the US’s cooperation with Mexico on weapons flowing into Mexico. I actually found this still on the DOJ website. Suggest to download before they realize it’s on there.

    http://www.justice.gov/ag/spe...


    Excerpt from Holder’s speech:

    Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels. My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner, DEA is adding 16 new positions on the border, as well as mobile enforcement teams, and the FBI is creating a new intelligence group focusing on kidnapping and extortion. DHS is making similar commitments, as Secretary Napolitano will detail.

    But as today’s conference has emphasized, the problem of arms trafficking will not be stopped at the border alone. Rather, as our experts emphasized, this is a problem that must be met as part of a comprehensive attack against the cartels – an attack in depth, on both sides of the border, that focuses on the leadership and assets of the cartel. This is the type of full-bore, prosecution-driven approach that the U.S. Department of Justice took to dismantle La Cosa Nostra – once the most powerful organized crime group operating in the United States.

    With partners like those we have here today, I am confident that together, we will defeat these narcotics cartels in exactly the same way. I am proud to stand with you, and to join you in this fight. Thank you again for inviting me here.
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  • ronbo51 2011/09/03 23:15:57
    Yes
    ronbo51
    +2
    my guess, it will be before 2012 elections once it becomes apparent OBOOZO WONT be relected. and so be it.
    am ready and waiting for them.
    have ammo with everyone of them names on them! 2012 elections apparent oboozo relected ready waiting ammo names looking down barrel of assault rifle
  • HOMBRE 2011/09/01 15:32:08
    Undecided
    HOMBRE
    +6
    I have food and ammo put away.What ever happens Im prepared.When the Government says come to me I will protect you Im heading in the opposite direction
  • Randice HOMBRE 2011/09/01 15:53:07
    Randice
    +3
    LOL, sounds like a good plan!
  • MLor HOMBRE 2011/09/08 18:14:38
    MLor
    +1
    Agreed.
  • jackolantyrn356 2011/09/01 14:04:30 (edited)
    No
    jackolantyrn356
    +6
    I rather see it as a Revolution to regain America. Of course Obama's clan weill have foreign troops with American Uniforms on. and the Mexican Army. ..... Probably post "Steal and theft " America
  • Brad # 2486547 2011/09/01 13:21:23
    No
    Brad # 2486547
    +5
    I love how liberals think the Tea Party are racists. There is evidence that many of the Tea Party rallies were infiltrated by liberal loons, who held offensive signs, in an effort to make the Tea Party look bad.

    For all of the liberals who think the Tea Party are rude and offensive, take a look at these videos.

    http://urbangrounds.com/2011/...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
  • Randice Brad # ... 2011/09/01 14:59:47
    Randice
    +3
    Thought you may like this: http://azdailysun.com/news/op...
  • Brad # ... Randice 2011/09/02 11:56:09
    Brad # 2486547
    +3
    Excellent.
  • Dagon Randice 2011/09/08 20:59:34
  • Randice Dagon 2011/09/09 17:47:15
    Randice
    +1
    While I agree with that, look at the Gifford situation. What if someone would have been armed that was right there? Would there have been as much blood spilled? While somebody nearby was carrying and got there, it took a couple minutes. I'm kind of rethinking it after what happened there. Unfortunately, nutjobs are all around us.
  • Dagon Randice 2011/09/09 20:58:13
  • Randice Dagon 2011/09/10 11:37:22
    Randice
    +1
    I do agree with that. My husband and I do training all the time with our CPL. We aren't required to, but, IMHO, it's just plain smart. As the old saying goes... when seconds count, police are just minutes away.
  • my2cents Brad # ... 2011/09/02 01:47:04
    my2cents
    Of course, all the bad stuff ALWAYS comes from "infiltrators", just like Gaddafi is insisting that the Libyan rebels are all "foreigners". Gaddafi + Brad = delusional.
  • Randice my2cents 2011/09/02 01:49:20
    Randice
    As I see you are from IL.... and watching your comments, you must go now. Bye.
  • Brad # ... my2cents 2011/09/02 12:01:53
    Brad # 2486547
    +1
    Gaddafi is insane..........Gaddafi + My2cents = crazy
  • Dagon Brad # ... 2011/09/08 20:55:49
  • bronx 2011/09/01 12:15:55
    Yes
    bronx
    +3
    If Obama and the black caucus get their way!
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