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Is Allen West and other Republicans any better than the Democrats?

*Mahogany Goddess of P.H.A.E.T 2012/04/15 18:59:59
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Allen West has voted for NDAA and The Patriot Act; including other supposedly Conservatives.
National Defense Authorization Act

The U.S. House of Representatives passed the act, which it called HR540 on Wednesday evening by a vote of 283 to 136, with 14 members not voting.

The House released the official vote tally on its website and it shows that 190 Republicans voted for the bill and 43 voted against it, while 93 Democratic representatives voted for and 93 voted against it.

Congress made and pass the bill.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/columns/the-platform/edi...


Republicans in the Missouri Legislature who consider Mr. Reagan their patron saint would do well to apply that concept to their misguided attempts to make it harder for Missourians to exercise their fundamental right to vote.

No one in the Legislature is more committed to trampling on this right than Rep. Shane Schoeller, the third-term Republican from Willard who is running for secretary of state.

Mr. Schoeller not only wants to ask voters to weaken the state constitution and then disenfranchise any state voters who lack a specific form of government-issued photo identification, now he also wants to take away the right of absentee voters — including members of the armed services — to mail in their ballots.

House Bill 2109 is horrendous for a variety of reasons. Examining its origins, its sloppy construction and its potentially devastating results sheds light on how far modern conservative ideals have drifted from what Mr. Reagan had espoused for the Republican Party.

Mr. Schoeller's bill is borrowed from one passed in Kansas written by that state's secretary of state, Kris Kobach, a noted anti-immigrant crusader whose ideas helped spawn Arizona's and Alabama's divisive and unconstitutional anti-immigrant laws.

So much for the shining city on a hill.

Mr. Schoeller's bill would require potential voters to prove their citizenship. On its surface, that doesn't seem unreasonable. But the devil is in th details.

The bill, for instance, gives local election boards the right to determine if your birth certificate is adequate. (Note to Hawaiians: Cancel that move to Missouri). Similarly, if you have a drivers license from a state that your local election authority doesn't think protects citizenship enough, you might not be able to register to vote.

The worst provision in Mr. Schoeller's bill would take away the long-held right of Missourians who request absentee ballots to vote by mail. These folks already are registered to vote. Some of them are disabled and can't get to the polls. Others are members of the military, stationed far from home, perhaps even overseas protecting the very right to vote that Mr. Schoeller seeks to diminish.

Why in the name of stubborn facts would Mr. Schoeller offer such a proposal? He told us that some of his constituents are concerned about potential voter fraud.

"I don't have an example of this actually happening," he told us.

Of course he doesn't. On the other hand, a lot of people do mail in their absentee ballots — 270,000 of them in 2008, the last presidential election. More than 11,000 of those came from military personnel.

Yes, facts are stubborn things. Here's another one: A 2005 study of the voting system in Oregon, the one state in the nation with an entirely vote-by-mail system, found it to be "more accurate" and protected from fraud than most state voting systems. The study was co-chaired by James A. Baker III, who served as chief of staff and Treasury Secretary under (wait for it) Ronald Reagan.

Mr. Schoeller insists his intent is not to diminish voting rights. But the undeniable and stubborn fact is that every voter-related bill he's offered does precisely that.



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  • Boomer 2012/04/21 18:48:54
    Yes, explain
    Boomer
    Road Kill would be better then any Democrat.
  • *Mahoga... Boomer 2012/04/21 19:28:22
    *Mahogany Goddess of P.H.A.E.T
    *than
  • Boomer *Mahoga... 2012/04/21 19:42:12 (edited)
    Boomer
    Wow a spelling checking gay libby. I never met one before.
  • *Mahoga... Boomer 2012/04/21 20:08:27
    *Mahogany Goddess of P.H.A.E.T
    No need to become defensive; just trying to help you out. In addition, I don't find it offensive when someone calls me gay lol; I am happy, so thanks.
  • JonDeniro 2012/04/18 15:01:51
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    JonDeniro
    +1
    The whole Republican vs Democrat fallacy is useful to the garbage in Washington. It keeps those who are either of low intelligence or woefully uninformed from seeing just how truly corrupt almost all politicians are.
  • A Lionheart 2012/04/17 03:33:42
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    A Lionheart
    +2
    Worse actually.
  • No, explain
    ☆The Rock☆ * AFCL* The Sheriff!!
    +2
    I am quite disappointed with some of Allen West's stances!!
  • Tinka123 2012/04/15 21:37:16
    No, explain
    Tinka123
    +3
    Nope. They're just as bad if not worse.
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/04/15 20:09:38
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    Lady Whitewolf
    +4
    THEY'RE WORSE!

    They got elected in on the promise of "jobs, jobs, jobs.."

    WELL, WHERE ARE THEY??

    Seems to me all the gop / Republicans have doen since they got some power is to pass jaxkass laws CONCERNING A WOMANS BODY! THAT DOES NOT CREATE JOBS! We seriously have to vote OUT the GOP this November.
  • Lerro DeHazel 2012/04/15 20:07:51
    Yes, explain
    Lerro DeHazel
    +2
    ILLEGAL ALIENISM is killing us here in the United States. Someone needs to do something about it, SOON!! Is it really over-kill to place a label or a political-tag on an individual who is going to do something that will save us? . . . We are in some serious trouble RIGHT NOW!!! I know because I live in it every, EVERY, EVERYDAY!!!
  • *Mahoga... Lerro D... 2012/04/16 13:10:32
    *Mahogany Goddess of P.H.A.E.T
    National Defense Authorization Act

    The U.S. House of Representatives passed the act, which it called HR540 on Wednesday evening by a vote of 283 to 136, with 14 members not voting.

    The House released the official vote tally on its website and it shows that 190 Republicans voted for the bill and 43 voted against it, while 93 Democratic representatives voted for and 93 voted against it.

    Congress made and pass the bill.
  • Lerro D... *Mahoga... 2012/04/16 14:09:52
    Lerro DeHazel
    Jeb Bush ACTUALLY SLEEPS with the enemy, so to speak.
  • angelbaby 2012/04/15 19:34:06
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    angelbaby
    +3
    Allen West is a patriot with natural leadership ability..
    You have to judge each person based on character not on party affiliation.
  • A Lionh... angelbaby 2012/04/17 03:35:28
    A Lionheart
    ah, No he is not. He got kicked out of the military for christs sake, jeez.
  • angelbaby A Lionh... 2012/04/17 03:53:31 (edited)
    angelbaby
    I would have done the same thing!!! I applaud this man
    For doing what most selfish cowards would run from..

    Iraq interrogation incident

    While serving in Taji, Iraq, West received information from an intelligence specialist about a reported plot to ambush him and his men.[9] The alleged plot reportedly involved Yahya Jhodri Hamoodi, a civilian Iraqi police officer.[9] West, who was not responsible for conducting interrogations in Iraq and had never conducted nor witnessed one, had his men detain Hamoodi.[9] In the process of detaining Mr. Hamoodi, soldiers testified that Hamoodi appeared to reach for his weapon and needed to be subdued.[9] Hamoodi was beaten by four soldiers from the 220th Field Artillery Battalion on the head and body.[10] West then fired his pistol near Hamoodi's head,[9] after which Hamoodi provided West with names and information, which Hamoodi later described as "meaningless information induced by fear and pain."[9] At least one of these suspects was arrested as a result, but no plans for attacks or weapons were found.[9] West said "At the time I had to base my decision on the intelligence I received. It's possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi."[9]

    West was charged with violating articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Cod...



    I would have done the same thing!!! I applaud this man
    For doing what most selfish cowards would run from..

    Iraq interrogation incident

    While serving in Taji, Iraq, West received information from an intelligence specialist about a reported plot to ambush him and his men.[9] The alleged plot reportedly involved Yahya Jhodri Hamoodi, a civilian Iraqi police officer.[9] West, who was not responsible for conducting interrogations in Iraq and had never conducted nor witnessed one, had his men detain Hamoodi.[9] In the process of detaining Mr. Hamoodi, soldiers testified that Hamoodi appeared to reach for his weapon and needed to be subdued.[9] Hamoodi was beaten by four soldiers from the 220th Field Artillery Battalion on the head and body.[10] West then fired his pistol near Hamoodi's head,[9] after which Hamoodi provided West with names and information, which Hamoodi later described as "meaningless information induced by fear and pain."[9] At least one of these suspects was arrested as a result, but no plans for attacks or weapons were found.[9] West said "At the time I had to base my decision on the intelligence I received. It's possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi."[9]

    West was charged with violating articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. During a hearing held as part of an Article 32 investigation in November 2003, West stated, "I know the method I used was not right, but I wanted to take care of my soldiers."[10] The charges were ultimately referred to an Article 15 proceeding rather than court-martial, at which West was fined $5,000.[9] LTC West accepted the judgment and retired with full benefits in the summer of 2004. Asked if he would act differently under similar circumstances again, West testified, "If it's about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can."[11]

    At his hearing, West pointed out that there were no further ambushes against American forces in Taji until he was relieved of his leadership post on October 4.[12] After West's retirement he received more than 2,000 letters and e-mails offering him moral support.[9] A letter supporting West was signed by 95 members of Congress and sent to the Secretary of the Army.[9]

    In September 2010, West spoke in defense of a group of U.S. military personnel known as the "Leavenworth 10" who were convicted of war crimes.[13]
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  • A Lionh... angelbaby 2012/04/17 04:00:23
    A Lionheart
    Simple fact sweetie.
    If it was worthy of admiration he would not have been disciplined and booted from the military. Period. He screwed up and should be ashamed of his failure. Did you miss the part where no useful intelligence came from his breach of duty?
  • angelbaby A Lionh... 2012/04/17 04:09:28 (edited)
    angelbaby
    He wasn't booted sweetie.. And we all know Useful info isn't always obtained. You take risks in war for the safety of you're men

    It is what it is and that being said he is a very respected man.



    What does your military record reflect?
  • A Lionh... angelbaby 2012/04/17 16:43:19
    A Lionheart
    Semantics.

    A standard four years in the mid 80's when nothing much was going on.
  • shultzhound 2012/04/15 19:28:22
    Yes, explain
    shultzhound
    +3
    Vote Ron Paul in and everybody else out. Libertarian is the last stance for freedom from all government intrusion.
  • *Mahoga... shultzh... 2012/04/16 01:39:38
    *Mahogany Goddess of P.H.A.E.T
    +2
    National Defense Authorization Act

    The U.S. House of Representatives passed the act, which it called HR540 on Wednesday evening by a vote of 283 to 136, with 14 members not voting.

    The House released the official vote tally on its website and it shows that 190 Republicans voted for the bill and 43 voted against it, while 93 Democratic representatives voted for and 93 voted against it.

    Congress made and pass the bill.
  • Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮ 2012/04/15 19:24:07
    No, explain
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +5
    Nope. Both sides are guilty of the same crimes. They just have different rhetoric to sell their fascist empire.
    left wing  right wing same bird
  • Sinpac 2012/04/15 19:06:18
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    Sinpac
    +6
    Allen West = McCarthyism

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